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It looked like a napkin

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What New Characters Should Be In Sea30N?


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#261 RedAuthar

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:33 AM

Ben Hurst at one time said he had plans for Metal and Knuckles if the show continued. A lot of you forget that SatAM didn't only make its own character but rather didn't have a large cast of SEGA characters to use. Even Sally is arguably from the games as she is based off of Rikki the squirrel who is named Sally Acorn in the English ports of Sonic one. Most of the Freedom Fighters are based upon Sonic's animal friends. So adding newer SEGA characters would still be SatAM, provided they are modified to fit the SatAM universe.

That something I didn't know about of sally and others. O_O i learn something new every day
There was a prototype SatAM that appeared before hand that featured many of Animal Friends as characters using the English names. Many of these characters and names also have a Sonic the Comic counterpart as well. SatAM mostly modified what was available and made them interesting than their in game counter part.
I believe if SatAM continued it would have included more SEGA characters. They'd be a bit different, adapted to the SatAM verse but still

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

Yeah he was planning to include a couple of characters, but I can garauntee there was no plan for Satam to run on for 20 seasons with 300+ episodes like a shounen anime like bleach for example, where loads and loads of characters are introduced, maybe if Hurst wanted to make the new villains even more threatening then Robotnik it would run for 5 seasons or somehow 6, but that's it imo. And sega didn't come up with a new game with properly established, new official characters until 1999, Satam would've been long over by then if it had continued.

 

But honestly in satam there's so much character development/backstories that can be done even for characters already established, and friendship/relationship developments between those characters, then we need time for the main plot, time for original characters/unseen relatives of the original cast, it just feels to me like pushing the idea that we need pretty much every character from the canon series in Satam is extremely unneccasery and will take time away from things that are actually important to 'Satam' especially when we're saying we have to change a lot of their personalities, it's a waste of time just for the sake of having their physical appearences, it's pointless.

 

Also I think what I said last page is important to adress "I'd like the show to gain more popularity and be seen as a good sonic show for it's own ideas, rather than the usual modern fans who hate Satam going, "wow this show was crap, but it's great now that all my fav sonic characters are in it, I'll watch it now!."



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:58 AM

Yeah he was planning to include a couple of characters, but I can garauntee there was no plan for Satam to run on for 20 seasons with 300+ episodes like a shounen anime like bleach for example, where loads and loads of characters are introduced, maybe if Hurst wanted to make the new villains even more threatening then Robotnik it would run for 5 seasons or somehow 6, but that's it imo. And sega didn't come up with a new game with properly established, new official characters until 1999, Satam would've been long over by then if it had continued.

True but characters such as the Chaotix, Fang, Bean and Bark, and others would have been around.  And since the main cast was made off of characters with little to no backstory it wouldn't have been a stretch to include them.

 

But honestly in satam there's so much character development/backstories that can be done even for characters already established, and friendship/relationship developments between those characters, then we need time for the main plot, time for original characters/unseen relatives of the original cast, it just feels to me like pushing the idea that we need pretty much every character from the canon series in Satam is extremely unneccasery and will take time away from things that are actually important to 'Satam' especially when we're saying we have to change a lot of their personalities, it's a waste of time just for the sake of having their physical appearences, it's pointless.

Honestly including new characters is mandatory for any new Season of a show.  Even SatAM Season 2 introduced Dulcy.  On top of that, nobody said anything about including EVERY character, just what characters you'd like to see SatAMized.  Also just because the character appears doesn't mean they have to be well developed or even important.  Take Lupe for example, we barely had any time with her.  Or Griff.  Or the Rhino and Bear Freedom Fighters in the last episode.  Easily you could fill a role of one of those characters with Rouge or Shadow without even saying who they were and it wouldn't take away from the main cast at all.  Think of it less as a important role and more as a nod or cameo.

 

Also I think what I said last page is important to adress "I'd like the show to gain more popularity and be seen as a good sonic show for it's own ideas, rather than the usual modern fans who hate Satam going, "wow this show was crap, but it's great now that all my fav sonic characters are in it, I'll watch it now!."

The problem is the Sonic Fanbase hate Original Characters because they tend to be overpowered.  Many Sonic fans don't like SatAM because of the large cast of characters that "didn't appear in the games."  A good way to expand the audience would be to include new characters from the SEGAverse.  

A good example of this would be Justice League/Justice League Unlimited:  Honestly we only watched the episodes that featured Characters we liked.  I could careless what happened to Hawk Girl or John Stewart Green Lantern, however if Batman was in it, I'd watch that episode.  

Same thing if we wish to expand the SatAM fan base. Only including things that appease the long term SatAM fans won't expand the fan base at all.  Actually it'll hinder it as not everyone will agree to the route Sea3on goes.  

 

 

Now don't get me wrong, it should stay as SatAM as possible.  Sea3on should not try to include every character, Sea3on should not try to emulate the games 100%.  But honestly adding a few more characters won't kill the series, specifically if you keep their purpose simple and too the point.

 

mm I still believe some characters don't fit design/personality wise, Satam never had recolour clones, 

 

Cuz Uncle Chuck isn't a recolor Sonic in any way shape or form. xD.  



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:41 PM

 

True but characters such as the Chaotix, Fang, Bean and Bark, and others would have been around.  And since the main cast was made off of characters with little to no backstory it wouldn't have been a stretch to include them.

 

Exactly, and those characters to me design wise fit Satam a lot more than the modern designs like Silver or characters from Sonic Riders for example, I'd much rather see Fang, Bark etc. then sega's characters now.

 

 

Honestly including new characters is mandatory for any new Season of a show.  Even SatAM Season 2 introduced Dulcy.  On top of that, nobody said anything about including EVERY character, just what characters you'd like to see SatAMized.  Also just because the character appears doesn't mean they have to be well developed or even important.  Take Lupe for example, we barely had any time with her.  Or Griff.  Or the Rhino and Bear Freedom Fighters in the last episode.  Easily you could fill a role of one of those characters with Rouge or Shadow without even saying who they were and it wouldn't take away from the main cast at all.  Think of it less as a important role and more as a nod or cameo.

 

I completely agree that new characters is mandatory but I'd rather it be original characters, your suggestion that some of sega's characters could be minor cameo appearences is fine, that works. You said you couldn't see one person suggesting to include every character, I didn't mean that, I meant collectively between posts almost every modern sega character has had a suggestion of how they could be in the show, or it feels like a significant chunk anway. There have been suggestions for Cream, Amy, The Chaotix, Shadow, Rouge etc. I'd be fine with it if they were just cameos, and I'm not really talking an entire episode deticated to each either.

 

 

The problem is the Sonic Fanbase hate Original Characters because they tend to be overpowered.  Many Sonic fans don't like SatAM because of the large cast of characters that "didn't appear in the games."  A good way to expand the audience would be to include new characters from the SEGAverse.  

A good example of this would be Justice League/Justice League Unlimited:  Honestly we only watched the episodes that featured Characters we liked.  I could careless what happened to Hawk Girl or John Stewart Green Lantern, however if Batman was in it, I'd watch that episode.  

Same thing if we wish to expand the SatAM fan base. Only including things that appease the long term SatAM fans won't expand the fan base at all.  Actually it'll hinder it as not everyone will agree to the route Sea3on goes.

 

I agree that maybe a couple of modern sonic characters should be added as main characters to attract viewers and expand the fanbase, but (and I know this isn't what you said) if it ever became bigger than that, like "okay let's really get a load of viewers, let's have shadow, rouge, the chaotix, cream, amy, silver all as main characters", then that would just make me think two things,

 

1. People who hate the show, some who hate it and never even watched it, would be simply coming on board because it's got "omg all my fav madern sanik characters!" in there, they wouldn't be going to youtube or wherever it's being uploaded for Satam or it's characters and story, they'd just want to see more animated modern sonic characters, as if it was a modern sonic cartoon.

 

2. No one working on this should have the mindset that one of the biggest things about this project is adding a lot of chartacters/ideas from the official series, purely for the sake of getting those kinds of viewers. it shouldn't be anyone's thought process because that means you're not 100% focused on writing the best story you can for season 3 and it just becomes about the numbers. I'm not suggesting at all that anyone's doing that, but when I see loads of people, each suggesting different characters from Sega's vast list, it get's me worried about what could happen later down the road.

 

Anyway you said it should stay Satam as possible while including some sega characters as both mains and cameos, I agree with that, there needs to be a good balance of characters. I would love an intelligent/badass Big the Cat to be a main character, or a cameo character that appears more frequently than other cameo characters. xD

 

Btw the sonic fanbase is made up of everyone disliking different eras/mediums of sonic all for different reasons, and while I'm sure new characters being op is a reason a certain group of people may hate the new characters, by far the main reason the majority of fans hate new characters is because their dialogue is horribly written and therefor so are their personalities, wether by being bland/annoying/generic/childish etc. and also because we see how unoriginal some of these designs are. Take Silver for example, third clone of sonic now, has a really annoying voice, whiny, his op psychic powers were actually the one thing people were hoping for to be good to make something about playing him enjoyable, but nope sega screwed that up too.

 

 

Cuz Uncle Chuck isn't a recolor Sonic in any way shape or form.

 

Goddamit, I went through every Satam character in my head and forgot about Chuck, you got me there haha. But I don't know, there was something tasteful about how they did it with Chuck, I'm not sure if I feel the same way about Shadow, maybe that's because Chuck was a good character, and Shadows personality was blatently meant to be the opposite to sonic because recolour. but if he was in this series I would never expect a fanfic answer to him being there like Shadow is Sonic's brother or something, I'm sure they'd come up with a brilliant new story for him and why he's pretty much a sonic clone.



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

 Take Silver for example, third clone of sonic now, has a really annoying voice, whiny, his op psychic powers were actually the one thing people were hoping for to be good to make something about playing him enjoyable, but nope sega screwed that up too.

 

 

Silver was originally going to be a Minx.  I dunno where that changed but that's the story.

 

Silver is one of those characters who got ruined just because the game he appeared in was bad.  Honestly if Sonic the Hedgehog (06) wasn't such a broken game I don't think we'd all hate Silver right now.  Honestly he's less generic than Rotor.

 

Rotor is your typical smart guy who doesn't have any skills in anything other than being mechanically inclined/smart.  He has no backstory, and the only trait he has is being overweight and smart.  He can't even keep the same design for more than one Season. xD

 

Silver has the desire to save the future by going to past and changing an event (yeah....real original there guys), however he doesn't have a full knowledge of the events going on because the Apocalypse happened so that historical records are lost forcing him to rely on advice provided by one of the badguys.  And while most Sonic Characters have a running thing going, Silver's abilities lie in his Psychic/Telekinesis.   Personality-wise he's Sonic who grew up in a Post-Apocalyptic Setting and instead of being fast, strong, or flying (everyone else's abilities) he had ........that ability Psychic Pokemon have that actually isn't correctly defined as Psychic.  

 

Honestly you could say he's more developed than Sonic but that's not saying much.  The problem lies in the terrible gameplay glitches and design in Sonic '06.  Sure he's a Sonic clone, but he was supposed to be the balance between Sonic and Shadow.  Sonic is usually good guy who was doing good things for the right reasons, while Shadow was a .......pseudo good guy who used bad methods do achieve "good" goals (I have no idea what the heck Shadow was doing...).  Silver was a Good Guy who used neutral methods for a greater good that might actually be closer to selfish reasonings.  



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

Keep in mind that any character added to Sea3on should not only be transformed, but also taken into context.

As much as having a character like Silver, coming from a future even worse than the SatAM present, would fit in the show's tone, there is no way that even the concept of Silver could have existed by the time a hypothetical third (or fourth or fifth, for that purpose) season were made.



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Posted 27 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

Keep in mind that any character added to Sea3on should not only be transformed, but also taken into context.

As much as having a character like Silver, coming from a future even worse than the SatAM present, would fit in the show's tone, there is no way that even the concept of Silver could have existed by the time a hypothetical third (or fourth or fifth, for that purpose) season were made.

That is completely true.  



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 10:36 AM

Personally, I say we SHOULD add more characters, but at the same time we should be careful. (For example, adding chris would just be reckless.) One of the things that made SatAM appealing to us is how they took the concepts from the games of the Genesis Era and further elaborated upon them. (Another example, instead of Sonic's friends being TRAPPED INSIDE robots, they BECOME robots.)

 

So, if we add any more characters we should do the same. I'll try it right now. Rouge the Bat: Abandoned or orphaned at an early age, she always was more or less alone. Growing tired of the lack of social attention and feeling defeated in this aspect, she then turned to materialistic possession to try to compensate. Hence began her obsession with obtaining precious jewels and other high-value treasures. Yet still wanting at least some attention, she then used the wealth she obtained to enhance her physical appearance.

 

There, you see? That is an example of character development. You may or may not use Rouge if you want. I'm just using an example.


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

Personally, I say we SHOULD add more characters, but at the same time we should be careful. (For example, adding chris would just be wreckless.) One of the things that made SatAM appealing to us is how they took the concepts from the games of the Genesis Era and further elaborated upon them. (Another example, instead of Sonic's friends being TRAPPED INSIDE robots, they BECOME robots.)

 

So, if we add any more characters we should do the same. I'll try it right now. Rouge the Bat: Abandoned or orphaned at an early age, she always was more or less alone. Growing tired of the lack of social attention and fealing defeated in this aspect, she then turned to materialistic posession to try to compensate. Hence began her obsession with obtaining prescious jewls and other high-value treasures. Yet still wanting at least some attention, she then used the wealth she obtained to enhance her physical appearence.

 

There, you see? That is an example of character development. You may or may not use Rouge if you want. I'm just using an example.

 

I fallow you. In fact, that's what I've been trying to explain since the beginning of this topic.

 

Of course, since this series is trying to be accurate to the time when SatAM was still in production, it'll would be a long, LONG while before we reach the possibility of using SA-era characters. So as of now, the only official characters in need of an introduction into the SatAM universe would be Amy Rose, Nack the Weasel, Metal/Macha Sonic, and the Chaotix considering they were around back when SatAM's unproduced 3rd season would've aired.

 

And since "Underground" was originally planned to be a prequel to SatAM, it would be neat to see a more SatAM-accurate approach to the series as well.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:01 PM

Having the Chaotix as featured characters in Sea3on, can open up many ideas to Knuckle's character development. Maybe it's when he joins the Chaotix he starts to open up to people. Who knows?



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:28 AM

Batman!  xD

 

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:31 AM

I still stand by my motion that no one else should be added. Everyone who is in it now fits in.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:03 PM

I still stand by my motion that no one else should be added. Everyone who is in it now fits in.

Let me guess. You're worried that others would be crowded out?


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

 

I still stand by my motion that no one else should be added. Everyone who is in it now fits in.

Let me guess. You're worried that others would be crowded out?

 

 

Nope. I feel that no one else needs to be added.Sea3on is fine the way it is. The only one i would say that fits and is not in it now would be the original Amy (Rosy)


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 08:17 PM

I think we have enough characters to expand upon for a while. Maybe introduce some more characters in Season 6 or 7...

This actually makes the most sense. The only characters we should add so far are the ones that actually DID exist at then time when the third season would have been made. Add the later characters in the LATER seasons. It would presently be too soon for characters that have only been introduced in the "Adventure" era, but the time may be right for the Chaotix.

 

I'll talk more about this later.


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