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[Robthe1st]

That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.

Yeah, I know. Oh, well. I guess the best for me is to stop reading the comics and just enjoy the classic tv show...if the Sonic games fans know what they want, they'll get it alright. Now, let's get on with our lives.

Do you think it's best if the SatAM characters, including the penders ones, should be in the next Sonic video game?

Yes... minus some of Penders characters

Cool Like which penders characters you don't want to see?

Speaking of penders characters... I was thinking... what was the name of that little fire ant that always talk with Knuckles... remember that character? What ever happend to him?

[Janus]

That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.

Yeah, I know. Oh, well. I guess the best for me is to stop reading the comics and just enjoy the classic tv show...if the Sonic games fans know what they want, they'll get it alright. Now, let's get on with our lives.

Do you think it's best if the SatAM characters, including the penders ones, should be in the next Sonic video game?

Yes... minus some of Penders characters

Cool Like which penders characters you don't want to see?

Speaking of penders characters... I was thinking... what was the name of that little fire ant that always talk with Knuckles... remember that character? What ever happend to him?

Archimedes was his name. If I recall, he gave his life at some point to help Knuckles.

[RedAuthar]

He's not dead.

[Janus]

To get back to the main topic, I hope that Julie-Su reappears and is not changed in any way. Even better, it would be nice if she had a story or two to focus on her so she could be more than simply Knuckles' girlfriend as she has been portrayed lately.

He's not dead.

Really? Thanks dude. I couldn't recall. Is he imprisoned with the Brotherhood right now?

[RedAuthar]

Really? Thanks dude. I couldn't recall. Is he imprisoned with the Brotherhood right now?

Something like that. He hasn't really done anything since like...191....

To get back to the main topic, I hope that Julie-Su reappears and is not changed in any way. Even better, it would be nice if she had a story or two to focus on her so she could be more than simply Knuckles' girlfriend as she has been portrayed lately.

...I probably wouldn't read that one....but yeah. She needs to do something. Actually I think she should break up with Knuckles, then she could have her own decent stories for a bit.

[Robthe1st]

To get back to the main topic, I hope that Julie-Su reappears and is not changed in any way. Even better, it would be nice if she had a story or two to focus on her so she could be more than simply Knuckles' girlfriend as she has been portrayed lately.

You're right, but, to me I think she should wear pants like maybe bagging pants?... might look good on her don't you guys think?

And yeah she needs to be an little more independent, like doing her own stuff, change her attitude, stop being silly when some girl trying to get knuckles, and chasing bad guys of her own. Kind of like this character from Fullmetal Alchemist: http://fma.wikia.com/wiki/Riza_Hawkeye

BTW, does she ever have her own story back in the old comics?

[RedAuthar]

I don't think so....

[Robthe1st]

I don't think so....

I've been researcing online... and I think she has been once in her own short story, check this out:



Here's more pics of her in this comic:



That's all I can find. I'm sure most of you remember this comic... did ya?

[RedAuthar]

Neither image loads for me.

[Uncle Ben]

same

[Janus]

She had a backstory for her whole family if I remember correctly, but I cannot recall if she had her own stories that focused solely on her. As for pants, I don't really care either way. It doesn't really bother that some of the Mobians don't wear pants. They are animals more or less.

[LaserX5]

You're right, but, to me I think she should wear pants like maybe bagging pants?... might look good on her don't you guys think?

I don't know about bagging pants, but I'd be all for something like ninja styled sweats, something sleek and matches her top.

BTW, does she ever have her own story back in the old comics?

Yea, but it's very vague.

What makes it even worse is the fact we didn't even see Julie-Su until the soul touch crap was mentioned.

I mean, I think it would have been cool to have seen her fight as a Dark Egg Legionaire against the Chaotix and then maybe realize later on this group wasn't for her. Maybe even add she had respect for Knuckles and the way he did things that later turned into a crush.

It would have been better than just saying, "Oh, I needed to find you for some... reason."

[Janus]

You're right, but, to me I think she should wear pants like maybe bagging pants?... might look good on her don't you guys think?

I don't know about bagging pants, but I'd be all for something like ninja styled sweats, something sleek and matches her top.

BTW, does she ever have her own story back in the old comics?

Yea, but it's very vague.

What makes it even worse is the fact we didn't even see Julie-Su until the soul touch crap was mentioned.

I mean, I think it would have been cool to have seen her fight as a Dark Egg Legionaire against the Chaotix and then maybe realize later on this group wasn't for her. Maybe even add she had respect for Knuckles and the way he did things that later turned into a crush.

It would have been better than just saying, "Oh, I needed to find you for some... reason."

Well, "if wishes were fishes..." That would have been good as a potential storyline.

[MoKat]

Honestly her backstory isn't bad...it's just she doesn't do anything to live up to it. Truthfully I don't hate her. She has had a few moments. But there really is no reason to bring her back. Unless she's going to do something cooler.

And -that- is why I voted "unsure". The only thing that would justify any effort to bring her back is to have her DO something; preferably something cool.

[blue]

Sadly so. While Geoffrey was an annoying character in the comics, I never hated him. He was a useful foil for Sonic, who already had plenty of those come to think of it.

Indeed he does.

I wonder why he changed some of their personalities as well.

Because he think he knows better. Hence: ego.

I have no problems with writers thinking a character should act a certain way. I do that myself, but when it's done as flagrantly as Ian does, then I do have a problem.

You don't change the core of a character to fit a story. That's nothing more than horribly written fanfiction.

Sally's had that depiction ever since SatAM's 2nd season, when she became more Mary-Suish due to her over-favoritism by Ben Hurst. And her boring diplomatic depiction was derived from Penders' and Bollers' writing, who made the comic far too political for a kids comic.

Personally, I think Sally's best depiction was in the SatAM pilot episode and the earlier issues. There, at least, she was sassy, sarcastic, feisty, and a bit competitive; which made her relationship with Sonic more reasonable and fun to watch. But ever since she became more serious in tone, the rest of her personality disappeared and her competitive relationship with Sonic was forgotten; reducing her to Sonic's default girlfriend for unexplained reasons.

At least Satam Sally in Season 2 was more of a competent character. She didn't just sit around and look cute while bantering with Sonic as the comic has shown her. I actually saw make a difference during the episodes.

And plus, need I add all of the lame pointing she did, telling her comrades who to attack? I mean, seriously. Do they need to be told who to attack? Better yet, why didn't she lend them a hand? Sally is a Freedom Fighter is she not?

This is why I said Ian giving screentime to characters he didn't care much for was pretentious. Why even include them in a story if you're not going to do them justice?

I can see why. Amy hardly did anything in the previous writers' stories. She was mostly reduced to a background character with hardly any role to speak for (similar to Rotor and Bunnie in the 2nd season). I mean, she's a major character in the games, so why not include her more often?

I'm all for Amy getting more screentime and character development, but I want her to earn her stripes and rank as a Freedom Fighter, not be given special treatment because she's a SegaSonic character.

Same goes for Tails.

What kind of example is this setting for kids? That if you're favored in life, you don't have to try, but just have everything handed to you? No wonder this generation is so messed up. I've never seen more young people in this day and age think they're royally entitled to stuff instead of actually working for it.

Yeah, Ian doesn't like some characters (who doesn't?), but that doesn't stop him from at least trying.

Heck, one of the characters he dislikes, Marine the Raccoon, is from the games. He finds her way too annoying and hyper, and he wasn't that pleased when he had to include her in some of his stories. But wouldn't you know it? Once he got down to write her dialogue, he ended up enjoying it. And in the process, her scenes are considered some of his best work. He still dislikes her though, but as a character he loves to hate.

Like I said though: If you're not going to put your heart into writing a character, why include them in a story?

It'd be like me trying to write a story about Chris Thorndyke and his family before Sonic came around. Sure, I could write one about them if I really wanted to, but it would come off as pretentious because I hate him and his family as part of the Sonic cast.

Well, except for the butler and cook.

But then again, what makes the SatAM characters so special? The fact that they're from another media that people have found memories of? They're just as Mobian as everyone else, so why should they get all the focus? One of the common criticisms I hear from fans who hate the comics is the lack of their favorite game characters, since the SatAM/comic characters steal the spotlight most of the time. Sure, the Sega cast can't develop beyond their game portrayals due to Sega mandates, but that doesn't mean they can still have some charisma and leading role of their own.

SatAM might've been the main influence for the comics, but the games themselves were also the main focus. Heck. SatAM's purpose was to promote the Sonic games, just like the comic. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse the comics for being similar to the games when SatAM itself was just as commercially tied (e.g. Sonic Spinball in "Game Guy").

I get what you're saying, but I still believe the comic cast should be slightly favored here since this is the only place you can see them every month. The game fans can play the games if they want to see Tails, Amy and Knuckles so badly. If they're going to turn this comic into another game universe, why even have a comic to begin with?

They might as well get rid of the comic all together and just put all the comic book cast into the games then if that's the case.

Sure, the game cast in the comic should be treated fairly and portrayed accurately in it, but they in a sense should be a benefit to the comic cast and world since this is a completely different universe.

That's not what I meant, but that is a possible reason. There are more reason why Ian's not using her than just favoratism. The possible reasons are deadlines, real life, rewrites on either correcting mistakes or mandates, and working on Megaman, Sonic Universe, and the New Crusaders at the same time.

You make time for what you care about most.

So, either she's no longer a top priority to Flynn or he decided to give that favorable screentime to Amy.

Well you need to remember the games have the biggest fan base

That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.

Honestly, your response to my comment didn't feel right and consistent to me.

[Robthe1st]

last week, I've check out the new issue of the Sonic Archie Comics the #246 one... and I thought she'll might come back. But, all I remember is during the final pages... all they shown is her gun that she uses.. it makes me feel that I want to I miss her so much .... Come back Julie-SU! We love you.

[Uncle Ben]

The way it was written suggests they may be back one day

[Janus]

The way it was written suggests they may be back one day

It was probably written that way, so in the event that Archie wins the lawsuit, they can restore all of the characters back into the comic. Otherwise, they've effectively swept all of Penders' characters (that come to mind) under a metaphorical rug.

[Robthe1st]

This topic may be old... but months ago: Ken said he doesn't mind that Archie use one of his characters... if he really means it.

 

Here's the interview I've found from the TSSZ:

 

"TSS – There are some fans who are very upset that some of their favorite characters may not be returning to the comics, what would you say to them to make them feel more at ease?

 

Penders – Well, I really can’t talk about that settlement per-se, but what I can say is that Archie has the ability to go forward with these characters if they so choose. That’s their option and that’s all I’m gonna say on that. I have the right to move forward myself. My copyrights, my characters and that’s what I’m doing."

 

I think what he means that Archie has the ability to go forward with these characters (Either his or Archie Characters)... that's what he means. He always like to bull$hit people anyways..

 

I don't think Julie-Su will be coming back.. maybe never. Besides, the Sonic fans today dislike Julie-Su and hoping Knuckles be solo or have a new girlfriend.. I don't know what to say.. it's sad

 

Julie-Su will always be my favorite Mobius chick.

[Uncle Ben]

Problem is EVERYONE sees the Echidnas (other than Knuckles) as just Knuckles clones and what not