Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Shoutbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

@  furrykef : (25 July 2015 - 03:35 AM)

When was that? Depending on when it was, it might have been a DNS issue. Those should be gone now.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

on*

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 10:10 PM)

Red said he couldnt get one

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself


Photo

This Is A Topic About Julie-Su

julie-Su

  • Please log in to reply
84 replies to this topic

Poll: Y'all want to bring Julie-SU back?

This is a public poll. Other members will be able to see which options you chose

Do you want to bring back Julie-SU from the Archie Comics?

You cannot see the results of the poll until you have voted. Please login and cast your vote to see the results of this poll.
Vote Guests cannot vote

#21 Robthe1st

Robthe1st

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 408 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County, CA

Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

Ian did use Julie-Sue in the Enerjak arc and its aftermath, but I do agree that Ian hasn't used her recently.


I've been told by some Sonic fans that Ian hates Julie-Su.


Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!

#22 LaserX5

LaserX5

    Sonic Satam Purist

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 1,188 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Confidential

Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!


Yea, Ken is partly to blame for why she was removed from the issue, but that is a good point. What if Ian was indeed planning to kill Julie-Su off in this arc had their been no lawsuit controversy?

Let's not forget, he had her graphically killed in his horrid Other-M comic, just like he did with another *cough cough female heroine *cough*
Posted Image

#23 RedAuthar

RedAuthar

    The Spambot Killer.

  • Admins
  • 37,785 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Knothole

Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:05 PM

Ian's fan comic didn't put Julie-Su in a favorable light....

However since his fan comic was an ultimate dimension where almost none of the characters acted like their comic/SatAM/Game counterparts, I wouldn't exactly say he hated them.

Also the comic put Fiona in a very favorable light and yet he apparently hates her too.

#24 zelchias

zelchias

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 76 posts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Ian did use Julie-Sue in the Enerjak arc and its aftermath, but I do agree that Ian hasn't used her recently.


I've been told by some Sonic fans that Ian hates Julie-Su.


Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!

Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!


Yea, Ken is partly to blame for why she was removed from the issue, but that is a good point. What if Ian was indeed planning to kill Julie-Su off in this arc had their been no lawsuit controversy?

Let's not forget, he had her graphically killed in his horrid Other-M comic, just like he did with another *cough cough female heroine *cough*



You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must hate Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must hate Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.

#25 Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

    Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Moderators
  • 12,734 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lowell, Massachusetts

Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

What was his story like?
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

#26 LaserX5

LaserX5

    Sonic Satam Purist

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 1,188 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Confidential

Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

Ian's fan comic didn't put Julie-Su in a favorable light....

However since his fan comic was an ultimate dimension where almost none of the characters acted like their comic/SatAM/Game counterparts, I wouldn't exactly say he hated them.

Also the comic put Fiona in a very favorable light and yet he apparently hates her too.


I don't think he hates Fiona because he gave her an awful lot of character development early on in his run, even if was for the evil side.

I can't say the same for Sally since most of her screentime was mostly being Sonic's arm candy, being a boring diplomat and having a pointless love triangle with Sonic and Khan. Not to mention he only gave her that screentime to make her contrived roboticized/weaponization have any tragic credibility.

He admitted that personally on his forum.

Although, I will say I am a bit surprised Ian hasn't put Fiona in his latest story. I thought for sure she'd play SOME role here.

Eh, maybe he isn't because he wants to give that attention to his 2nd favorite female character: Amy Rose.

You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.


If Ian doesn't hate her, he obviously doesn't like her much then. You mind explaining to me then why Julie-Su gets so little screentime, especially considering she's one of the more credible heroines of the series?

And please, all writers have characters they love, like, dislike and hate. It's part of human nature.

It's for that reason why I laugh whenever I hear people say Ian is very unbiased as a writer. Uh, no he is not. He has his favorites and those he doesn't care too much for. Even those issues he tries to give minor characters more screentime, most of them feel pretentious at best because when it all comes down to it, the characters you love are the ones you're going to give the most attention to and those that aren't will get shoved into the background and maybe get a line or two at best.

What was his story like?


To sum it up in a description: An utter mess.

You can read it here: http://www.mediafire...hhdbbs7edr7td2e
Posted Image

#27 blue

blue

    Veteran poster

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 355 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

Ian's fan comic didn't put Julie-Su in a favorable light....

However since his fan comic was an ultimate dimension where almost none of the characters acted like their comic/SatAM/Game counterparts, I wouldn't exactly say he hated them.

Also the comic put Fiona in a very favorable light and yet he apparently hates her too.


I don't think he hates Fiona because he gave her an awful lot of character development early on in his run, even if was for the evil side.

I can't say the same for Sally since most of her screentime was mostly being Sonic's arm candy, being a boring diplomat and having a pointless love triangle with Sonic and Khan. Not to mention he only gave her that screentime to make her contrived roboticized/weaponization have any tragic credibility.

He admitted that personally on his forum.

Although, I will say I am a bit surprised Ian hasn't put Fiona in his latest story. I thought for sure she'd play SOME role here.

Eh, maybe he isn't because he wants to give that attention to his 2nd favorite female character: Amy Rose.

You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.


If Ian doesn't hate her, he obviously doesn't like her much then. You mind explaining to me then why Julie-Su gets so little screentime, especially considering she's one of the more credible heroines of the series?

And please, all writers have characters they love, like, dislike and hate. It's part of human nature.

It's for that reason why I laugh whenever I hear people say Ian is very unbiased as a writer. Uh, no he is not. He has his favorites and those he doesn't care too much for. Even those issues he tries to give minor characters more screentime, most of them feel pretentious at best because when it all comes down to it, the characters you love are the ones you're going to give the most attention to and those that aren't will get shoved into the background and maybe get a line or two at best.

What was his story like?


To sum it up in a description: An utter mess.

You can read it here: http://www.mediafire...hhdbbs7edr7td2e

I think the reason why he hadn't use Fiona is because of time constraints.

#28 Janus

Janus

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 195 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:59 PM

I've always hated how Geoffrey was just suddenly revealed to be in league with Naugus many issues ago. It just came out of nowhere. If there had been anything leading up to it, I would have been okay with it.

Ian did use Julie-Sue in the Enerjak arc and its aftermath, but I do agree that Ian hasn't used her recently.


I've been told by some Sonic fans that Ian hates Julie-Su.


Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!

Ha! No wonder she got remove from the #244 issue! I still blame Ken, but, I guess Ian really want to kill her off in the next upcoming issues... if Ian really want to kill her off, then shame on Ken, Archie, and Ian!


Yea, Ken is partly to blame for why she was removed from the issue, but that is a good point. What if Ian was indeed planning to kill Julie-Su off in this arc had their been no lawsuit controversy?

Let's not forget, he had her graphically killed in his horrid Other-M comic, just like he did with another *cough cough female heroine *cough*



You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.


I don't really mind if he hates particular characters, provided they aren't killed off or altered so much that they no longer resemble their former selves. Which has already happened with some characters such as Amy.

#29 LaserX5

LaserX5

    Sonic Satam Purist

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 1,188 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Confidential

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

I think the reason why he hadn't use Fiona is because of time constraints.


Eh, maybe... not sure. But that probably is the most valid explanation. With him showing so much favor to the game cast now, maybe he didn't want any comic characters stealing their spotlight.

I mean, it's so obvious Ian is making Tails and Amy the stars next to Sonic in this stupid arc.

That wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact they DIDN'T EARN IT.

You know, this kind of scenario ironically feels like one of those stories about a diabolical mother or father who want their little darlings to be the stars of a play, so they sabotage the better actors through injury, slander or whatever it takes to get them shoved aside in order for them to get the part.

Call it a crazy theory all you want, but Ian intentionally rigged this story for their benefit.

I've always hated how Geoffrey was just suddenly revealed to be in league with Naugus many issues ago. It just came out of nowhere. If there had been anything leading up to it, I would have been okay with it.


That's Ian for ya. He hardly explains anything. And when he does, it's very vague.

I personally hate that. If you're going to have something bizarre happen out of the blue, THEN EXPLAIN HOW IT HAPPENED.

And when I say explain, I mean before it happens or explain it well shortly afterwards. 233 was nothing more than Geoffery's backstory getting retconned.

I don't really mind if he hates particular characters, provided they aren't killed off or altered so much that they no longer resemble their former selves. Which has already happened with some characters such as Amy.


Ian's altered alot of characters when I really think about it.

And I really wish I knew why. A Sonic fan who I have alot of respect for thinks he has a huge ego. I have to agree with that. Why else does he insist on making most of the characters act OOC, even to the point they're no longer consistent with the very core of what they stand for?

Oh wait...

Nothing is sacred - Ian Flynn.
Posted Image

#30 Robthe1st

Robthe1st

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 408 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County, CA

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must hate Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must hate Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.


Well, I don't think Ian hates everyone, I guess he just doesn't like some characters... he wouldn't tell you, but I'm sure he and everybody (Even me) dislike St. John. That character has been hated by fans for years and they always want him to kill off.

Also, let me point out the facts about the characters he done.

Rotor, sure he got injured and couldn't do something... but at least he's alive I'm sure he will when he's all better in the later comics. Same goes for Antoine and I'm sure he'll be back in no time. And as for Fiona, I did this poll here since an year ago and a lot of fans, even me, think it's better that Fiona the Fox is not good or evil, but neutral. Besides, fans hated that she's part of the freedom fighters and the way she used to make out with Sonic... :weird: And as for Sally... sure she been roboticized, but... have you seen her new upcoming design latey?:

Posted Image


Sure it looks weird and an little more like the style of the Sonic games... but she'll be back... I miss the old Sally style :icon_sad: Oh, well.

I'm not with Ian Flynn side, sure, some said he's a good writer, some said his stories stinks, but hey! He just want to make the comics more like the video games because of the growing popularity of the Sonic Games fans. The SatAM characters will still be around, maybe Penders characters will come back after the lawsuit is over (If Archie wins the case), but the comics will always be aim for children who just loves the video game character.

#31 LaserX5

LaserX5

    Sonic Satam Purist

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 1,188 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Confidential

Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

I'm not with Ian Flynn side, sure, some said he's a good writer, some said his stories stinks, but hey! He just want to make the comics more like the video games because of the growing popularity of the Sonic Games fans. The SatAM characters will still be around, maybe Penders characters will come back after the lawsuit is over (If Archie wins the case), but the comics will always be aim for children who just loves the video game character.


Best post I've read today. That is sadly the cold, hard truth.

The game characters will indeed always get more love and favor than the comic cast, even if they don't deserve it.
Posted Image

#32 Janus

Janus

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 195 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:12 AM

I'm not with Ian Flynn side, sure, some said he's a good writer, some said his stories stinks, but hey! He just want to make the comics more like the video games because of the growing popularity of the Sonic Games fans. The SatAM characters will still be around, maybe Penders characters will come back after the lawsuit is over (If Archie wins the case), but the comics will always be aim for children who just loves the video game character.


Best post I've read today. That is sadly the cold, hard truth.

The game characters will indeed always get more love and favor than the comic cast, even if they don't deserve it.


Sadly so. While Geoffrey was an annoying character in the comics, I never hated him. He was a useful foil for Sonic, who already had plenty of those come to think of it.

I think the reason why he hadn't use Fiona is because of time constraints.


Eh, maybe... not sure. But that probably is the most valid explanation. With him showing so much favor to the game cast now, maybe he didn't want any comic characters stealing their spotlight.

I mean, it's so obvious Ian is making Tails and Amy the stars next to Sonic in this stupid arc.

That wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact they DIDN'T EARN IT.

You know, this kind of scenario ironically feels like one of those stories about a diabolical mother or father who want their little darlings to be the stars of a play, so they sabotage the better actors through injury, slander or whatever it takes to get them shoved aside in order for them to get the part.

Call it a crazy theory all you want, but Ian intentionally rigged this story for their benefit.

I've always hated how Geoffrey was just suddenly revealed to be in league with Naugus many issues ago. It just came out of nowhere. If there had been anything leading up to it, I would have been okay with it.


That's Ian for ya. He hardly explains anything. And when he does, it's very vague.

I personally hate that. If you're going to have something bizarre happen out of the blue, THEN EXPLAIN HOW IT HAPPENED.

And when I say explain, I mean before it happens or explain it well shortly afterwards. 233 was nothing more than Geoffery's backstory getting retconned.

I don't really mind if he hates particular characters, provided they aren't killed off or altered so much that they no longer resemble their former selves. Which has already happened with some characters such as Amy.


Ian's altered alot of characters when I really think about it.

And I really wish I knew why. A Sonic fan who I have alot of respect for thinks he has a huge ego. I have to agree with that. Why else does he insist on making most of the characters act OOC, even to the point they're no longer consistent with the very core of what they stand for?

Oh wait...

Nothing is sacred - Ian Flynn.


I wonder why he changed some of their personalities as well.

#33 LogiTeeka

LogiTeeka

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 854 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

Ian's fan comic didn't put Julie-Su in a favorable light....

However since his fan comic was an ultimate dimension where almost none of the characters acted like their comic/SatAM/Game counterparts, I wouldn't exactly say he hated them.

Also the comic put Fiona in a very favorable light and yet he apparently hates her too.


I don't think he hates Fiona because he gave her an awful lot of character development early on in his run, even if was for the evil side.

I can't say the same for Sally since most of her screentime was mostly being Sonic's arm candy, being a boring diplomat and having a pointless love triangle with Sonic and Khan. Not to mention he only gave her that screentime to make her contrived roboticized/weaponization have any tragic credibility.

He admitted that personally on his forum.


Sally's had that depiction ever since SatAM's 2nd season, when she became more Mary-Suish due to her over-favoritism by Ben Hurst. And her boring diplomatic depiction was derived from Penders' and Bollers' writing, who made the comic far too political for a kids comic.

Personally, I think Sally's best depiction was in the SatAM pilot episode and the earlier issues. There, at least, she was sassy, sarcastic, feisty, and a bit competitive; which made her relationship with Sonic more reasonable and fun to watch. But ever since she became more serious in tone, the rest of her personality disappeared and her competitive relationship with Sonic was forgotten; reducing her to Sonic's default girlfriend for unexplained reasons.

Although, I will say I am a bit surprised Ian hasn't put Fiona in his latest story. I thought for sure she'd play SOME role here.

Eh, maybe he isn't because he wants to give that attention to his 2nd favorite female character: Amy Rose.


I can see why. Amy hardly did anything in the previous writers' stories. She was mostly reduced to a background character with hardly any role to speak for (similar to Rotor and Bunnie in the 2nd season). I mean, she's a major character in the games, so why not include her more often?

You talk to anybody and they'll claim that Flynn hates everybody. He must hate St. John, he revealed him to be a villain (which was a stupid move). He must hate Rotor, he got injured and couldn't do crap. He must hate Antoine, he's currently hospitalized. He must Fiona, he made her turn evil. He must Sally because she was Roboticized.

For crying out loud, this is just getting repetitive.


If Ian doesn't hate her, he obviously doesn't like her much then. You mind explaining to me then why Julie-Su gets so little screentime, especially considering she's one of the more credible heroines of the series?

And please, all writers have characters they love, like, dislike and hate. It's part of human nature.

It's for that reason why I laugh whenever I hear people say Ian is very unbiased as a writer. Uh, no he is not. He has his favorites and those he doesn't care too much for. Even those issues he tries to give minor characters more screentime, most of them feel pretentious at best because when it all comes down to it, the characters you love are the ones you're going to give the most attention to and those that aren't will get shoved into the background and maybe get a line or two at best.


Yeah, Ian doesn't like some characters (who doesn't?), but that doesn't stop him from at least trying.

Heck, one of the characters he dislikes, Marine the Racoon, is from the games. He finds her way too annoying and hyper, and he wasn't that pleased when he had to include her in some of his stories. But wouldn't you know it? Once he got down to write her dialogue, he ended up enjoying it. And in the process, her scenes are considered some of his best work. He still dislikes her though, but as a character he loves to hate.

I think the reason why he hadn't use Fiona is because of time constraints.


Eh, maybe... not sure. But that probably is the most valid explanation. With him showing so much favor to the game cast now, maybe he didn't want any comic characters stealing their spotlight.

I mean, it's so obvious Ian is making Tails and Amy the stars next to Sonic in this stupid arc.

That wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact they DIDN'T EARN IT.

You know, this kind of scenario ironically feels like one of those stories about a diabolical mother or father who want their little darlings to be the stars of a play, so they sabotage the better actors through injury, slander or whatever it takes to get them shoved aside in order for them to get the part.

Call it a crazy theory all you want, but Ian intentionally rigged this story for their benefit.


But then again, what makes the SatAM characters so special? The fact that they're from another media that people have found memories of? They're just as Mobian as everyone else, so why should they get all the focus? One of the common criticisms I hear from fans who hate the comics is the lack of their favorite game characters, since the SatAM/comic characters steal the spotlight most of the time. Sure, the Sega cast can't develop beyond their game portrayals due to Sega mandates, but that doesn't mean they can still have some charisma and leading role of their own.

SatAM might've been the main influence for the comics, but the games themselves were also the main focus. Heck. SatAM's purpose was to promote the Sonic games, just like the comic. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse the comics for being similar to the games when SatAM itself was just as commercially tied (e.g. Sonic Spinball in "Game Guy").

#34 Robthe1st

Robthe1st

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 408 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County, CA

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

But then again, what makes the SatAM characters so special? The fact that they're from another media that people have found memories of? They're just as Mobian as everyone else, so why should they get all the focus? One of the common criticisms I hear from fans who hate the comics is the lack of their favorite game characters, since the SatAM/comic characters steal the spotlight most of the time. Sure, the Sega cast can't develop beyond their game portrayals due to Sega mandates, but that doesn't mean they can still have some charisma and development of their own.

SatAM might've been the main influence for the comics, but the games themselves were also the main focus. Heck. SatAM's purpose was to promote the Sonic games, just like the comic. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse the comics for being similar to the games when SatAM itself was just as commercially tied in (e.g. Sonic Spinball in "Game Guy").


You're right about that. Like I said before: He just want to make the comics more like the video games because of the growing popularity of the Sonic Games fans. The SatAM characters will still be there, maybe as background characters. As long as the new Sonic Video Games goes up, Sonic fans will continue to love the characters from the games and not from the comics. Unless if the SatAM characters get some changes like the new Sally Acorn design :weird: .

Anyway, this topic is about Julie-SU. So let's discuss shall we. Some of you think she might get some changes... but how? Maybe be a little more independent... and she can be more not cool, but more appealing like she start her own battle / fights with her guns or her kicks... and she can maybe wear pants? Is that fine for her?

#35 blue

blue

    Veteran poster

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 355 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

I think the reason why he hadn't use Fiona is because of time constraints.


Eh, maybe... not sure. But that probably is the most valid explanation. With him showing so much favor to the game cast now, maybe he didn't want any comic characters stealing their spotlight.

I mean, it's so obvious Ian is making Tails and Amy the stars next to Sonic in this stupid arc.

That wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact they DIDN'T EARN IT.

You know, this kind of scenario ironically feels like one of those stories about a diabolical mother or father who want their little darlings to be the stars of a play, so they sabotage the better actors through injury, slander or whatever it takes to get them shoved aside in order for them to get the part.

Call it a crazy theory all you want, but Ian intentionally rigged this story for their benefit.

I've always hated how Geoffrey was just suddenly revealed to be in league with Naugus many issues ago. It just came out of nowhere. If there had been anything leading up to it, I would have been okay with it.


That's Ian for ya. He hardly explains anything. And when he does, it's very vague.

I personally hate that. If you're going to have something bizarre happen out of the blue, THEN EXPLAIN HOW IT HAPPENED.

And when I say explain, I mean before it happens or explain it well shortly afterwards. 233 was nothing more than Geoffery's backstory getting retconned.

I don't really mind if he hates particular characters, provided they aren't killed off or altered so much that they no longer resemble their former selves. Which has already happened with some characters such as Amy.


Ian's altered alot of characters when I really think about it.

And I really wish I knew why. A Sonic fan who I have alot of respect for thinks he has a huge ego. I have to agree with that. Why else does he insist on making most of the characters act OOC, even to the point they're no longer consistent with the very core of what they stand for?

Oh wait...

Nothing is sacred - Ian Flynn.

That's not what I meant, but that is a possible reason. There are more reason why Ian's not using her than just favoratism. The possible reasons are deadlines, real life, rewrites on either correcting mistakes or mandates, and working on Megaman, Sonic Universe, and the New Crusaders at the same time.

#36 Robthe1st

Robthe1st

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 408 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County, CA

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

This is truly a sad day for the SatAM Fans, I post a couple of topics on the sega fourms, and these Sonic Games fans (Who I like to call them), are truly disgraceful. Always want the comics and tv show be more like the video games. Like I said before: He (Ian Flynn) just want to make the comics more like the video games because of the growing popularity of the Sonic Games fans. And I'm right all along, here, check out the same question I post as here:

http://forums.sega.c...s-made-from-Ken

Also, here's another one I posted, these fans want to make it more like the video games?!:
http://forums.sega.c...Next-Sonic-Show

No offense to the Sonic Games fans... they can kiss my @$$! But there's still time to vote... I'll had to keep on waiting for the result if there's more votes.

#37 Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

    Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Moderators
  • 12,734 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lowell, Massachusetts

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:51 PM

Well you need to remember the games have the biggest fan base
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.

#38 LaserX5

LaserX5

    Sonic Satam Purist

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 1,188 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Confidential

Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

Sadly so. While Geoffrey was an annoying character in the comics, I never hated him. He was a useful foil for Sonic, who already had plenty of those come to think of it.


Indeed he does.


I wonder why he changed some of their personalities as well.


Because he think he knows better. Hence: ego.

I have no problems with writers thinking a character should act a certain way. I do that myself, but when it's done as flagrantly as Ian does, then I do have a problem.

You don't change the core of a character to fit a story. That's nothing more than horribly written fanfiction.


Sally's had that depiction ever since SatAM's 2nd season, when she became more Mary-Suish due to her over-favoritism by Ben Hurst. And her boring diplomatic depiction was derived from Penders' and Bollers' writing, who made the comic far too political for a kids comic.

Personally, I think Sally's best depiction was in the SatAM pilot episode and the earlier issues. There, at least, she was sassy, sarcastic, feisty, and a bit competitive; which made her relationship with Sonic more reasonable and fun to watch. But ever since she became more serious in tone, the rest of her personality disappeared and her competitive relationship with Sonic was forgotten; reducing her to Sonic's default girlfriend for unexplained reasons.


At least Satam Sally in Season 2 was more of a competent character. She didn't just sit around and look cute while bantering with Sonic as the comic has shown her. I actually saw make a difference during the episodes.

And plus, need I add all of the lame pointing she did, telling her comrades who to attack? I mean, seriously. Do they need to be told who to attack? Better yet, why didn't she lend them a hand? Sally is a Freedom Fighter is she not?

This is why I said Ian giving screentime to characters he didn't care much for was pretentious. Why even include them in a story if you're not going to do them justice?

I can see why. Amy hardly did anything in the previous writers' stories. She was mostly reduced to a background character with hardly any role to speak for (similar to Rotor and Bunnie in the 2nd season). I mean, she's a major character in the games, so why not include her more often?


I'm all for Amy getting more screentime and character development, but I want her to earn her stripes and rank as a Freedom Fighter, not be given special treatment because she's a SegaSonic character.

Same goes for Tails.

What kind of example is this setting for kids? That if you're favored in life, you don't have to try, but just have everything handed to you? No wonder this generation is so messed up. I've never seen more young people in this day and age think they're royally entitled to stuff instead of actually working for it.


Yeah, Ian doesn't like some characters (who doesn't?), but that doesn't stop him from at least trying.

Heck, one of the characters he dislikes, Marine the Raccoon, is from the games. He finds her way too annoying and hyper, and he wasn't that pleased when he had to include her in some of his stories. But wouldn't you know it? Once he got down to write her dialogue, he ended up enjoying it. And in the process, her scenes are considered some of his best work. He still dislikes her though, but as a character he loves to hate.


Like I said though: If you're not going to put your heart into writing a character, why include them in a story?

It'd be like me trying to write a story about Chris Thorndyke and his family before Sonic came around. Sure, I could write one about them if I really wanted to, but it would come off as pretentious because I hate him and his family as part of the Sonic cast.

Well, except for the butler and cook.

But then again, what makes the SatAM characters so special? The fact that they're from another media that people have found memories of? They're just as Mobian as everyone else, so why should they get all the focus? One of the common criticisms I hear from fans who hate the comics is the lack of their favorite game characters, since the SatAM/comic characters steal the spotlight most of the time. Sure, the Sega cast can't develop beyond their game portrayals due to Sega mandates, but that doesn't mean they can still have some charisma and leading role of their own.

SatAM might've been the main influence for the comics, but the games themselves were also the main focus. Heck. SatAM's purpose was to promote the Sonic games, just like the comic. It's a bit hypocritical to accuse the comics for being similar to the games when SatAM itself was just as commercially tied (e.g. Sonic Spinball in "Game Guy").


I get what you're saying, but I still believe the comic cast should be slightly favored here since this is the only place you can see them every month. The game fans can play the games if they want to see Tails, Amy and Knuckles so badly. If they're going to turn this comic into another game universe, why even have a comic to begin with?

They might as well get rid of the comic all together and just put all the comic book cast into the games then if that's the case.

Sure, the game cast in the comic should be treated fairly and portrayed accurately in it, but they in a sense should be a benefit to the comic cast and world since this is a completely different universe.

That's not what I meant, but that is a possible reason. There are more reason why Ian's not using her than just favoratism. The possible reasons are deadlines, real life, rewrites on either correcting mistakes or mandates, and working on Megaman, Sonic Universe, and the New Crusaders at the same time.


You make time for what you care about most.

So, either she's no longer a top priority to Flynn or he decided to give that favorable screentime to Amy.

Well you need to remember the games have the biggest fan base


That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.
Posted Image

#39 Robthe1st

Robthe1st

    Fellow FUSer

  • Fellow FUSer
  • 408 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orange County, CA

Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.



Yeah, I know. Oh, well. I guess the best for me is to stop reading the comics and just enjoy the classic tv show...if the Sonic games fans know what they want, they'll get it alright. Now, let's get on with our lives.

Do you think it's best if the SatAM characters, including the penders ones, should be in the next Sonic video game?

#40 Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

    Everybody's Favorite Uncle ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Moderators
  • 12,734 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lowell, Massachusetts

Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

That is true, but this is not the game universe. For them to demand the comic be EXACTLY like the games is downright selfish on their part.

True, it should be a bit like the games since it has SegaSonic characters, but their roles should be different enough that it stands out on its own.



Yeah, I know. Oh, well. I guess the best for me is to stop reading the comics and just enjoy the classic tv show...if the Sonic games fans know what they want, they'll get it alright. Now, let's get on with our lives.

Do you think it's best if the SatAM characters, including the penders ones, should be in the next Sonic video game?


Yes... minus some of Penders characters
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.




2 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users


    Bing (1)