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[Robthe1st]

I'm just posting a poll, because since Archie cut her off thanks to Kenny Boy... most Sonic Games fans dislike her and don't want to bring her back... So I post a poll if anybody wants to bring her back from the Acrhie Comics (a.k.a. The Dead). I know most of you guys hate the comics as I do, but I do want to see her again... she kick-@$$! Yep.

Just saying y'all

[Janus]

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

[Uncle Ben]

Bring her back and most of "Ken's Characters"

[Robthe1st]

Since Ken own the rights of these characters. How much does it cost to use one of his characters anyway? For a comic or a tv special... How much

[Uncle Ben]

Too much if anything. But works of art of fan fics he has no control over it

[zelchias]

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

Off the top of my head, aside from almost every Echidna, he also owns the Fire Ants (including Knuckles mentor Archimedes), all the Dingo who debuted in the Knuckles comic (Von Stryker, Harry the Cabbie), the villainous Hunter, a few Chameleons vital to certain aspects of Espio's development (Valdez and Liza), as well as Charmy's dead friend Mello and his utterly destroyed family and kingdom (seriously, the bee has got to have the most tragic backstory in the comic). He also owns the Echidna's deity Aurora.

Outside of that, he also owns Amy's cousin Rob'o the Hedge, Sonic's parents Jules and Bernie, Sally's brother and mother and her brother's wife and daughter, the substitute Freedom Fighters (who are currently heading up the Council of Useless), Nic the Weasel, the ORGANIC Fiona Fox, Feist, Warlord Kodos, Uma Arachnis, Doctor Quack and his family, as well as the entirety of Mysterious Cat Country. This isn't a comprehensive list and just what I can recall off the top of my head... it's a fair chunk of the comic's original characters, but not ALL of them.

Interestingly enough however, he doesn't own at least one Echidna... namely Athair. He was created by Mike Gallagher for the Tails Miniseries.

[RedAuthar]

While I'm sad to see a lot of characters go, Julie-Su is not one I really care if she comes back. Honestly I've never really liked her.

1) She was brought in as a mandatory-female-cast member. She was supposedly trying to get revenge on Knuckles for stopping the Dark Legion earlier....then magically switch to being on his side. Why? Well the only answer I got was Soul Touch....

2) Soul Touch itself. There is a magical destiny that says Knuckles and Julie-Su have to be a couple? Actually it's just a cheap way to say "She's his girlfriend. Don't ask questions why".

3) She doesn't really do anything. She has a gun she rarely uses, and she's not a very good physical fighter. Yet she's always acting hardcore or threatening. Characters like that are usually portrayed humorous...'cept everyone takes her seriously. Why?

Honestly her backstory isn't bad...it's just she doesn't do anything to live up to it. Truthfully I don't hate her. She has had a few moments. But there really is no reason to bring her back. Unless she's going to do something cooler.

[Robthe1st]

But there really is no reason to bring her back. Unless she's going to do something cooler.

That's fine if you dislike her. Like what to be cooler? Wearing pants? That's the reason on why some Sonic Games fans complain about her because she's half nude.

Too much if anything. But works of art of fan fics he has no control over it

Like how much? Half?! No wonder Archie Comics had to remove all characters made from Ken.

Also, check out this video I've fine, the music made be sound kind of scray, but check it out:

[RedAuthar]

But there really is no reason to bring her back. Unless she's going to do something cooler.

That's fine if you dislike her. Like what to be cooler? Wearing pants? That's the reason on why some Sonic Games fans complain about her because she's half nude.

Because it's okay for Sonic to be nude but heaven forbid a female character be nude.
Honestly she'll have to DO something. Like not Just be Knuckles's girlfriend.

[Janus]

The main thing I always liked about Julie-Su, and really any of Penders' characters as I mentioned earlier, is due to the fact that they are an element not found in other Sonic works. In a sense, they are a breath of fresh air almost.

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

Off the top of my head, aside from almost every Echidna, he also owns the Fire Ants (including Knuckles mentor Archimedes), all the Dingo who debuted in the Knuckles comic (Von Stryker, Harry the Cabbie), the villainous Hunter, a few Chameleons vital to certain aspects of Espio's development (Valdez and Liza), as well as Charmy's dead friend Mello and his utterly destroyed family and kingdom (seriously, the bee has got to have the most tragic backstory in the comic). He also owns the Echidna's deity Aurora.

Outside of that, he also owns Amy's cousin Rob'o the Hedge, Sonic's parents Jules and Bernie, Sally's brother and mother and her brother's wife and daughter, the substitute Freedom Fighters (who are currently heading up the Council of Useless), Nic the Weasel, the ORGANIC Fiona Fox, Feist, Warlord Kodos, Uma Arachnis, Doctor Quack and his family, as well as the entirety of Mysterious Cat Country. This isn't a comprehensive list and just what I can recall off the top of my head... it's a fair chunk of the comic's original characters, but not ALL of them.

Interestingly enough however, he doesn't own at least one Echidna... namely Athair. He was created by Mike Gallagher for the Tails Miniseries.

Thanks. I couldn't remember all of them either.

[Uncle Ben]

Let the character run around in their birthday suits if they want... their choice... Look at Sally in the First season

[Janus]

Let the character run around in their birthday suits if they want... their choice... Look at Sally in the First season

I've never understood why some people have a problem with them being naked. The characters are animals after all. It's just natural. Plus, it's not like anything explicit is shown that could possibly "corrupt" young minds.

[LogiTeeka]

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

Off the top of my head, aside from almost every Echidna, he also owns the Fire Ants (including Knuckles mentor Archimedes), all the Dingo who debuted in the Knuckles comic (Von Stryker, Harry the Cabbie), the villainous Hunter, a few Chameleons vital to certain aspects of Espio's development (Valdez and Liza), as well as Charmy's dead friend Mello and his utterly destroyed family and kingdom (seriously, the bee has got to have the most tragic backstory in the comic). He also owns the Echidna's deity Aurora.

Outside of that, he also owns Amy's cousin Rob'o the Hedge, Sonic's parents Jules and Bernie, Sally's brother and mother and her brother's wife and daughter, the substitute Freedom Fighters (who are currently heading up the Council of Useless), Nic the Weasel, the ORGANIC Fiona Fox, Feist, Warlord Kodos, Uma Arachnis, Doctor Quack and his family, as well as the entirety of Mysterious Cat Country. This isn't a comprehensive list and just what I can recall off the top of my head... it's a fair chunk of the comic's original characters, but not ALL of them.

Interestingly enough however, he doesn't own at least one Echidna... namely Athair. He was created by Mike Gallagher for the Tails Miniseries.

Don't forget Harvy Who and nearly all the Anti-Mobius inhabitents (including Anti-Sonic, A.K.A. "Scourge"). Most whould argue that Penders cannot claim a character that's literally an alternate Sonic; but if he can claim copyright on all his Echidna characters, what's to stop him from claiming Scourge as his own?

Sheesh... With all these characters gone and heavy changes due to Sega mandates, I seriously think it's time for a reboot. Just stick to the official Sega and SatAM characters and start all over from scratch. The Genesis arc showed it could be done, but Ian's hell-bent on keeping the continuity going. I appreciate the effort, but how long can the series go on?

[Janus]

I wouldn't actually mind the idea of a reboot simply because the series has been running for quite a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened eventually. Would Penders be able to stake a claim to Scourge? He might have created Anti-Sonic/Evil Sonic, but Flynn changed the character when he transformed him into Scourge.

[zelchias]

If he were able to stake an honest claim on Anti-Sonic, then quite frankly the entire copyright system would need to be reviewed because Holy Christ, he's LITERALLY called Anti-Sonic. That'd be like me being able to claim that 'Anti-Batman' is my one and true original character despite being Batman in a leather jacket.

Given that it was Flynn's idea to make Anti-Sonic into Scourge and make him green, and to call Anti-Mobius "Moebius", if there were a reboot he could probably sidestep the issue by making it all that from the beginning rather than 'Anti-Name' and such.

[LaserX5]

Honestly she'll have to DO something. Like not Just be Knuckles's girlfriend.

Agreed. Her being Knuckles' girlfriend is fine, but she needs to contribute more to the series.

It didn't help matters that Bollers and Flynn had no use for her, complicating that fact.

I've never understood why some people have a problem with them being naked. The characters are animals after all. It's just natural. Plus, it's not like anything explicit is shown that could possibly "corrupt" young minds.

Personally, I believe it depends on their figure. If it's plain and unprovocative then fine, let em run around all natural. If not, then no. They need to cover up.

It's for that reason why characters like Fifi la Fume could do it without controversy, but others like Minerva Mink, Julie-Bruin and Lola Bunny in Space Jam could not.

[blue]

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

Off the top of my head, aside from almost every Echidna, he also owns the Fire Ants (including Knuckles mentor Archimedes), all the Dingo who debuted in the Knuckles comic (Von Stryker, Harry the Cabbie), the villainous Hunter, a few Chameleons vital to certain aspects of Espio's development (Valdez and Liza), as well as Charmy's dead friend Mello and his utterly destroyed family and kingdom (seriously, the bee has got to have the most tragic backstory in the comic). He also owns the Echidna's deity Aurora.

Outside of that, he also owns Amy's cousin Rob'o the Hedge, Sonic's parents Jules and Bernie, Sally's brother and mother and her brother's wife and daughter, the substitute Freedom Fighters (who are currently heading up the Council of Useless), Nic the Weasel, the ORGANIC Fiona Fox, Feist, Warlord Kodos, Uma Arachnis, Doctor Quack and his family, as well as the entirety of Mysterious Cat Country. This isn't a comprehensive list and just what I can recall off the top of my head... it's a fair chunk of the comic's original characters, but not ALL of them.

Interestingly enough however, he doesn't own at least one Echidna... namely Athair. He was created by Mike Gallagher for the Tails Miniseries.

Actually, only Penelope Platypus, Hamlin, Arlo, and Dylan are the only members of the substitute freedom Fighters to be created by Ken Penders along with Mike Kanterovich (PSM). Elias's wife and daughter were created by Benny Lee (issue 121). Uma Archnis and Warlord kodos was created by Karl Bollers (issue 53).
Although, furrykef, pointed out in my similar comment that just because a writer created a debut for the character, doesn't mean that he/she created it aside from SEGA Sonic, AoStH, and SatAM characters.
I hope that I'm making any sense to you.

[blue]

Honestly she'll have to DO something. Like not Just be Knuckles's girlfriend.

Agreed. Her being Knuckles' girlfriend is fine, but she needs to contribute more to the series.

It didn't help matters that Bollers and Flynn had no use for her, complicating that fact.

Ian did use Julie-Sue in the Enerjak arc and its aftermath, but I do agree that Ian hasn't used her recently.

[zelchias]

Again, just out of curiosity, what all character did Ken Penders create beside all the Echidnas, Hershey, and Geoffrey? The reason I ask is because I would like it if all the characters he created who aren't dead could come back.

Off the top of my head, aside from almost every Echidna, he also owns the Fire Ants (including Knuckles mentor Archimedes), all the Dingo who debuted in the Knuckles comic (Von Stryker, Harry the Cabbie), the villainous Hunter, a few Chameleons vital to certain aspects of Espio's development (Valdez and Liza), as well as Charmy's dead friend Mello and his utterly destroyed family and kingdom (seriously, the bee has got to have the most tragic backstory in the comic). He also owns the Echidna's deity Aurora.

Outside of that, he also owns Amy's cousin Rob'o the Hedge, Sonic's parents Jules and Bernie, Sally's brother and mother and her brother's wife and daughter, the substitute Freedom Fighters (who are currently heading up the Council of Useless), Nic the Weasel, the ORGANIC Fiona Fox, Feist, Warlord Kodos, Uma Arachnis, Doctor Quack and his family, as well as the entirety of Mysterious Cat Country. This isn't a comprehensive list and just what I can recall off the top of my head... it's a fair chunk of the comic's original characters, but not ALL of them.

Interestingly enough however, he doesn't own at least one Echidna... namely Athair. He was created by Mike Gallagher for the Tails Miniseries.

Actually, only Penelope Platypus, Hamlin, Arlo, and Dylan are the only members of the substitute freedom Fighters to be created by Ken Penders along with Mike Kanterovich (PSM). Elias's wife and daughter were created by Benny Lee (issue 121). Uma Archnis and Warlord kodos was created by Karl Bollers (issue 53).
Although, furrykef, pointed out in my similar comment that just because a writer created a debut for the character, doesn't mean that he/she created it aside from SEGA Sonic, AoStH, and SatAM characters.
I hope that I'm making any sense to you.

Knowing Penders, he likely IS claiming the guys he co-created. And Kodos first appeared in issue 43, though you are correct that Uma was a Bollers creation. Though given her ties to Kodos, the Acorn Regalia and all that jazz, it'd still be difficult to really mention or explain her in the current continuity, if at all. Similarly, while Penders may not have made Elias family... unless Elias is flat out killed and Meg and Alexis are left behind, it's unlikely they'll ever do much, and even then it's questionable.

The problem is that what Penders DOES own is severely critical in many ways. It's like the literary equivalent of a jenga tower, with each block pulled out a Penders character.

[LaserX5]

Ian did use Julie-Sue in the Enerjak arc and its aftermath, but I do agree that Ian hasn't used her recently.

I've been told by some Sonic fans that Ian hates Julie-Su.

And after thinking it over, I honestly cannot say they're wrong or even mistaken. She's maybe had, 1 or 2 good moments at best during Flynn's run. Most of the time, she's just Knuckles' arm candy and shoved into the background.

She's my favorite choice of girl for him, but even I'll admit I'm sick of that being what she's known best for. Julie-Su has a gun and can fight as well as any of the Freedom Fighter heroines. And yet, she barely gets a chance to show what she can do.

And now, she may never return. How tragic...