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[Janus]

I just made this

Lol. I agree with Mithrandir's opinion. It would be nice if somehow a certain number of characters could still be used. I guess we can't give up hope just yet. Who knows how the future will be.

[Uncle Ben]

QUICK. POST IT TO CHEEZBURGER!

Like people at that site will give a shit about what's happening in the comic.

What the hell are you guys talking about

[ILOVEVHS]

A website where people post Internet memes. Mostly funny cat pictures, but also Video Games, MLP, Pokémon, Star Trek, and anything really.

[Uncle Ben]

ohh ok

[LaserX5]

I just made this

Nice...

Now all we need is the pics from the Terminator movie where the Mexican guy said to Sarah Conner, "There's a storm coming." with Sarah saying in another, "I know..."

[ILOVEVHS]

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I made it myself!

[Prime]

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I made it myself!

Good for you. Have a cookie.

[blue]

More changes... How wonderful...

This is why this comic should have ended back in EndGame. At least then it would have gone out on a high note.

Now it's just a clustercrap of garbage. I don't even recognize it anymore.

And asking us to be mature about it... yea, fat chance, Flynn. His fault or not, Archie Comics is an utter disgrace as a comic book company. As for saying the Satam cast isn't going anywhere... they already have, Ian. They're pretty much dead and will soon be replaced by boring and generic SegaSonic clones, and we have you to thank for it.

Honestly, End Game is a flimsy conclusion to me. The reason why Sally was suppose to be killed off, parts of the execution of the comic, Dulcy being a deus ex machina element to Sonic's troubles, Hershey slightly contrived debut and plot point (By the way, I have no problem with Hershey), etc. It's a just mess. Although I do like the tone of the arc and its great artwork.

If someone hadn't watch twitter yet, carry some popcorns. You can see a show called "TSSZ vs Ian"

Wow, close minded much?

[LaserX5]

Honestly, End Game is a flimsy conclusion to me. The reason why Sally was suppose to be killed off, parts of the execution of the comic, Dulcy being a deus ex machina element to Sonic's troubles, Hershey slightly contrived debut and plot point (By the way, I have no problem with Hershey), etc. It's just mess. Although I do like the tone of the arc and its great artwork.

EndGame did have its share of problems and poor plots, but I felt it was a much stronger story arc than this one. Not to mention the mentality of the characters was so much more noble too.

We didn't see Sonic for example acting cruel and joking around in that story. It was all getting down to business and fighting with heart for those he called his friends.

Not to mention also it wasn't pointlessly dragged out either, and the battle between Robotnik and Sonic was pretty sweet.

Yes, it could have been written and executed better but I'd read the EndGame arc 100 times in a row before I wanted to read this one twice. How can I possibly take this story seriously when I see Sonic jeering a heartbroken person and making despicable jokes about being the better robot to Mecha Sally?

It's like this is all a game to him.

Oh wait... IT IS.

[Captain Sorzo]

While I liked Sonic's characterization in Endgame better than how he's currently being written, and the actual final confrontation between him and Robotnik was fantastic (the cover of 50 is hands-down my favorite in the series), I thought the rest of the arc was quite convoluted and poorly executed. Sally deserved better, at the very least a noble "death" ala 230 rather than being victim of a cheap shot...especially one tied to such a contrived conspiracy. Even then, it just wouldn't feel right (in my eyes, at least) if she didn't see things through to the end, as thankfully happened in The Doomsday Project. It's no better than putting Sonic out of commission for the culmination of the war and having Sal face down Robotnik in the end. Had Penders actually left her dead as planned, it would have been a terrible injustice to the character. Admittedly, she's my favorite character in the franchise, so there's probably some bias on my part, but still...

As for the rest of the arc, issue 49 just felt like padding, honestly, and having Dulcy serve as a DEM was a terrible idea. I'm glad that Bunnie and Antoine received a fair amount of focus, but tacking on the Downunda FFs and Croc-bot of all things was just pointless and went nowhere. The arc needed to remain squarely focused on the core cast (though giving side characters like the Wolf Pack a supporting role in 47 was fine). Similarly, Hershey should have been introduced long before if she was going to play such a pivotal role in the plot; same with Drago.

Then there's the ending...ugh. For all its many flaws, the arc managed to reach an incredible high with the final confrontation, but everything afterward was a mess, with much of the plot being conveyed in an exposition dump after the fact. I knew Snively would be the one to kill Robotnik, but having it mentioned in passing by someone else was a waste of what could have been a great scene. To cap it all off, Sal's revived in the most cliche way possible (though I do enjoy the scene in light of the fact that her survival was unlikely from a real-world perspective).

The Doomsday Project might have been far simpler and less climactic than Endgame, but I much prefer it as a finale. It made sense, had proper buildup, and in the end gave the fourmost developed characters sufficient focus, with plenty of great interaction between them. Endgame would have been better off as two entirely different arcs rewritten from the ground up, one dealing with Sally nearly dying and Sonic being blamed, and the other depicting the conclusion of the war between the Knothole Freedom Fighters and Doctor Robotnik.

[LaserX5]

While I liked Sonic's characterization in Endgame better than how he's currently being written, and the actual final confrontation between him and Robotnik was fantastic (the cover of 50 is hands-down my favorite in the series), I thought the rest of the arc was quite convoluted and poorly executed. Sally deserved better, at the very least a noble "death" ala 230 rather than being victim of a cheap shot...especially one tied to such a contrived conspiracy. Even then, it just wouldn't feel right (in my eyes, at least) if she didn't see things through to the end, as thankfully happened in The Doomsday Project. It's no better than putting Sonic out of commission for the culmination of the war and having Sal face down Robotnik in the end. Had Penders actually left her dead as planned, it would have been a terrible injustice to the character. Admittedly, she's my favorite character in the franchise, so there's probably some bias on my part, but still...

As for the rest of the arc, issue 49 just felt like padding, honestly, and having Dulcy serve as a DEM was a terrible idea. I'm glad that Bunnie and Antoine received a fair amount of focus, but tacking on the Downunda FFs and Croc-bot of all things was just pointless and went nowhere. The arc needed to remain squarely focused on the core cast (though giving side characters like the Wolf Pack a supporting role in 47 was fine). Similarly, Hershey should have been introduced long before if she was going to play such a pivotal role in the plot; same with Drago.

Then there's the ending...ugh. For all its many flaws, the arc managed to reach an incredible high with the final confrontation, but everything afterward was a mess, with much of the plot being conveyed in an exposition dump after the fact. I knew Snively would be the one to kill Robotnik, but having it mentioned in passing by someone else was a waste of what could have been a great scene. To cap it all off, Sal's revived in the most cliche way possible (though I do enjoy the scene in light of the fact that her survival was unlikely from a real-world perspective).

The Doomsday Project might have been far simpler and less climactic than Endgame, but I much prefer it as a finale. It made sense, had proper buildup, and in the end gave the fourmost developed characters sufficient focus, with plenty of great interaction between them. Endgame would have been better off as two entirely different arcs rewritten from the ground up, one dealing with Sally nearly dying and Sonic being blamed, and the other depicting the conclusion of the war between the Knothole Freedom Fighters and Doctor Robotnik.

I agree with you on alot of these points.

EndGame's ending, other than Sally and Sonic romantic reunification was just terrible. I mean, Rotor's explanation for how they survived made no sense. They just went to another zone after Knothole was vaporized? C'mon! That's as lazy as you can get!

And yes, I agree Sally was cheapenedly killed off during this story. I would have preferred. as you said, her being gravely injured during a mission and Sonic has to find a cure somewhere on Mobius within 48-72 hours or she would die. But to add to the drama, Sonic is blamed for her accident and hunted down by the other Freedom Fighters as a fugitive And to top it off, Robotnik is planning to send a barrage of missiles to destroy Knothole and the other Freedom Fighter's homes within that same time period to conquer them for good, thus making it a really intense conundrum.

Now THAT would have been an epic way to end the comic on a triumphant note.

Still, like I said, I would rather read EndGame as it is than Ian's nonsensical story now. It was convoluted at times and had its share of glaring plotholes, but it didn't drag out pointlessly and make the main heroes act like heartless goofballs during a serious crisis. Even Robotnik Prime was more of a vile threat to Sonic than Eggman has been since 236.

[LogiTeeka]

Personally, I think the whole Endgame saga was just as confusing and convaluted as the current saga. Slueth Dog's betrayal leading towards the Endgame saga was just as pointless as Nicole's banishment. The fact that Uncle Chuck was a robian was proof enough for Geoffrey and Draco to suspect he was a traitor, so there wasn't any need in adding Slueth to the mix. And Dr. Quack's involvement further complicated things.

[Janus]

Endgame may have had a few problems here and there, but I've always considered it to have a really good plot ever since I read it as a kid many years ago. Re-reading it again, yeah the whole thing involving Dulcy is a definite Deux Ex Machina. I'm not really sure why it's in there. Perhaps the writers ran out of ideas momentarily?

[PuffinGrandeur]

If someone hadn't watch twitter yet, carry some popcorns. You can see a show called "TSSZ vs Ian"



Wow, close minded much?

You guys know how unbelievably shitty this makes you look right
Ian's not the petty person in this turn of events

[Uncle Ben]

has he ever been?

[blue]

If someone hadn't watch twitter yet, carry some popcorns. You can see a show called "TSSZ vs Ian"



Wow, close minded much?

You guys know how unbelievably shitty this makes you look right
Ian's not the petty person in this turn of events

OK, maybe Ian's comment might not be close minded as I thought and probably he's just hiding future events for the comic, but seriously you have to be less classy about it.

[LaserX5]

Personally, I think the whole Endgame saga was just as confusing and convaluted as the current saga. Slueth Dog's betrayal leading towards the Endgame saga was just as pointless as Nicole's banishment. The fact that Uncle Chuck was a robian was proof enough for Geoffrey and Draco to suspect he was a traitor, so there wasn't any need in adding Slueth to the mix. And Dr. Quack's involvement further complicated things.

Ok, I can't argue with this too much.

Personally, I didn't think the saga needed a traitor at all. Robotnik could have merely made a Metal Sonic robot look exactly like Sonic and that would have definitely confused the Freedom Fighters into thinking Sonic was a murderer.

You guys know how unbelievably shitty this makes you look right
Ian's not the petty person in this turn of events

Do you come on here just to troll us? Why are you even here when you know most of us are not fans of Ian's work?

Besides, Ian dug his own hole here with that uncalled for comment. If he can't handle personal questions, then perhaps he shouldn't be the head writer. He's going to get put in the spotlight.

Like the old saying says: If you can't handle the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

[furrykef]

Unless we actually know what the original conversation between TSSZ and Ian was, I don't think we're in any position to comment on the Twitter exchange.

[LaserX5]

Unless we actually know what the original conversation between TSSZ and Ian was, I don't think we're in any position to comment on the Twitter exchange.

I suppose that is true.

I'd like to see it though because if all they did was ask him an honest question, then Ian definitely overreacted.

[PuffinGrandeur]

It was right after the article at the beginning of this thread.
The one that takes a post which says "don't worry and panic needlessly" and used it to spin a story so people would panic and act like things had been confirmed when they weren't. It was a question they knew couldn't be answered, and if it could, not by him. Pointing at that exchange and saying "Ian's a jerk for making TSSZ into a bad guy!" is only possible if you are entirely, 100% willing to distort anything so that your one-sided 'opponent' looks bad.