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[tiff15]

Ive been reading alot of different reviews and reports about the latest Sonic Archie comics. Frankly, each post makes me definately glad I stopped reading the comics at issue #73.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points, but these are just a few of the tidbits and little scraps of information Ive been finding. (As well as some observations) These are listed in no particular order of importance, so please dont go "well this point is more important than that one" yada yada yada.

• Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
• Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman
• Sonic and sally arent even remotely a couple anymore
• Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
• Price in my area is too high
• too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
• Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
• Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
• Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
• Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?

And there you have it. Just a few of my reasons why I dont read Archie comics anymore.
Make of these what you will, but I felt I just had to get these of my chest. Please dont hate me. I realize I am a nobody and really have no right to bash on one form of fandom or the other, I just needed to vent. Thank you.

Finally, if there is a more appropriate spot for this, could someone please Let me know/move this topic there/both? I would be very much appreciated.

[RedAuthar]

Finally, if there is a more appropriate spot for this, could someone please Let me know/move this topic there/both? I would be very much appreciated.

This spot is fine. As long as it is about the comics.

[FunnelVortex]

Ive been reading alot of different reviews and reports about the latest Sonic Archie comics. Frankly, each post makes me definately glad I stopped reading the comics at issue #73.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points, but these are just a few of the tidbits and little scraps of information Ive been finding. (As well as some observations) These are listed in no particular order of importance, so please dont go "well this point is more important than that one" yada yada yada.

• Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
• Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman
• Sonic and sally arent even remotely a couple anymore
• Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
• Price in my area is too high
• too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
• Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
• Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
• Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
• Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?

And there you have it. Just a few of my reasons why I dont read Archie comics anymore.
Make of these what you will, but I felt I just had to get these of my chest. Please dont hate me. I realize I am a nobody and really have no right to bash on one form of fandom or the other, I just needed to vent. Thank you.

Finally, if there is a more appropriate spot for this, could someone please Let me know/move this topic there/both? I would be very much appreciated.

Agreed. Ian Flynn really is doing a s-[bleep]-y job.

But about Sonic and Sally not being the couple from SatAM we love anymore, you can blame SEGA's pathetic mandates for that.

[Prime]

Ive been reading alot of different reviews and reports about the latest Sonic Archie comics. Frankly, each post makes me definately glad I stopped reading the comics at issue #73.[

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points, but these are just a few of the tidbits and little scraps of information Ive been finding. (As well as some observations) These are listed in no particular order of importance, so please dont go "well this point is more important than that one" yada yada yada.

• Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
• Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman
• Sonic and sally arent even remotely a couple anymore
• Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
• Price in my area is too high
• too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
• Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
• Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
• Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
• Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?

And there you have it. Just a few of my reasons why I dont read Archie comics anymore.
Make of these what you will, but I felt I just had to get these of my chest. Please dont hate me. I realize I am a nobody and really have no right to bash on one form of fandom or the other, I just needed to vent. Thank you.

Finally, if there is a more appropriate spot for this, could someone please Let me know/move this topic there/both? I would be very much appreciated.

In all fairness, you shouldn't be judging what's been happening in the comic if you haven't read it in last 14 odd years. That would be like if I went up and punched the director of a movie I hadn't seen and said "That was for that crap movie you made! I haven't seen it but I heard it really sucked!" And for all I know is I might actually have enjoyed that movie.

As for your points:

.Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
Not the first time she has been roboticized in the comic. granted the first time only lasted one issue, but then again it has been revealed she'll be returned to her normal self soon. Plus she isn't the only main character to have been roboticizied before.

.Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman.
This was done under the previous writers and nothing to do with the current writer. The same writers who had worked on the comic during the run you had read who had been working on the book for so long they probably ran out of decent ideas. Seriously the end days of Ken Penders and Karl Bollers were more about pointless drama that was insanely boring in what is meant to be an action adventure comic for kids.

.Sonic and Sally arent even remotely a couple anymore.
No, but it appeared they were getting their relationship back on track before Sally was roboticized, and again, the break up wasn't the current writers idea. Plus, this isn't the first relationship break up in comic history. There are plenty of more well known and much beloved couples in comics who have done the break up routine. It's very common in comics.

.Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
Because best friends have never had fallings out with one another ever? Again, not the first time this has happened in comics.

.Price in my area is too high.
Could always get them shipped to you via eBay, it's what I do.

.Too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
Keep in mind this comic is now in the 20th year of it's run and was never an adaption of the video games or SatAM, it was it's own seperate continuity that has used the characters from both universes. It is and should be allowed to expand itself by adding new characters, which again, is the norm in comic books. Plus at the time you were reading the comic had plenty of characters unique to it's continuity.

.Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
Because you haven't been reading. Chuck and Snively had both popped up recently. Dulcy? Ehhhh, well in all fiarness, she isn't exactly a grade A character to begin with. Her whole reason for exisiting in the show was for getting characters from point A to point B, could only carry like 2 characters on her back and be another source of comic relief.

.Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
Again, this isn't a continuation of SatAM and as such the comic should be allowed to develop these characters differently compared to their on screen counterparts. As for the over night thing.... Well... Shit happens?

.Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
Let's not forget how this comic book started, when it was more like AoStH and it (and most likely readers) couldn't take it seriously. And let's not forget that this is a book aimed a children.

.Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?
Well in all honesty, what was the Endgame arc all about when you think about the outcome? Shock drama. This huge build up of suspense and worry over Sally and everything turned out okay in the end. And in all fairness, I don't really recall reading any stories in this comic that were decent or touching in the old days. The 1990s were a dark time for comic books, lots of crazy weird things happened and the Archie Sonic book was not immune to this sort of thing happening in it. And plus any kind of shocking moment in comics, movies or TV can be considered a "shock value" moment, like in The Avengers when they killed off Agent Coulson, a popular character just to get the team to work together. And then it seems like the death was pointless because it's been said he'll be a main character in the upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D TV series. So it's shock value for killing him off just to move the story along which ends up becoming pointless shock value.

I'll admit that I started reading this comic around #110 and stopped at #134 because of how insanely terrible it was. I came in at the wrong time for this comic. However a friend got to me pick it up again at #213 and I've been reading it here and there. Granted it's not the most solid comic book I'm currently reading at the moment, that honor goes to Transformers: More the Meets the Eye but compared to the stuff I had read in the Archie Sonic comic before, what's going on now isn't that bad. And I have gotten around to reading a lot of the material that was produced before #110 and it's a mixed bag. Some good, some bad, some enjoyable, some terrible.

I'd suggest you hunt out some more recent stuff and see for yourself with how it's developing. Taking other peoples words on what is happening isn't actually a good thing to do because you might enjoy what they don't.

[furrykef]

Even though I don't read Archie Sonic anymore, I do tend to buy an issue when I happen across one at the store (which might never happen again now that the grocery store down the street no longer has a comic rack), and it kinda pains me to admit it, but sometimes... the comic isn't that bad. Sure, its SatAM roots are all but dead and buried, but the writing seems respectable for a comic book. A lot of what's wrong with it (and yes, there's still a lot that's wrong with it -- which was the case even when the comic was in its prime, IMO) really has more to do with the comics industry than with Archie Sonic in particular. You try reading Spider-Man or something and you'll come across the same shit. (I hear they've killed off Peter Parker. Which is more likely -- they did it because it makes for a good story, or because it will generate buzz?) It's just not possible to pump out a quality issue every month with the kind of schedules and budgets involved (especially the sorts of budgets Archie has -- I believe they don't pay nearly as well as Marvel and DC). Yeah, there are occasional comic books where every issue seems perfect, but I think they're very rare exceptions.

This sort of thing is why I refuse to ever get involved with the monthly comics industry. Well, except possibly as an inker, which I'd definitely be doing for cash rather than any sort of creativity or passion...

[blue]

Even though I don't read Archie Sonic anymore, I do tend to buy an issue when I happen across one at the store (which might never happen again now that the grocery store down the street no longer has a comic rack), and it kinda pains me to admit it, but sometimes... the comic isn't that bad. Sure, its SatAM roots are all but dead and buried, but the writing seems respectable for a comic book. A lot of what's wrong with it (and yes, there's still a lot that's wrong with it -- which was the case even when the comic was in its prime, IMO) really has more to do with the comics industry than with Archie Sonic in particular. You try reading Spider-Man or something and you'll come across the same shit. It's just not possible to pump out a quality issue every month with the kind of schedules and budgets involved (especially the sorts of budgets Archie has -- I believe they don't pay nearly as well as Marvel and DC). Yeah, there are occasional comic books where every issue seems perfect, but I think they're very rare exceptions.

This sort of thing is why I refuse to ever get involved with the monthly comics industry, except possibly as an inker, which I'd definitely be doing for cash rather than any sort of creativity or passion.

That I can agree on except that recently the comic's writing started to decline since issue 244. This issue feels like that it had jumped ahead because of the lawsuit. That is not a good sign. I can't go in-depth about it because I already posted my thoughts on another topic called Preview of Sonic the Hedgehog issue 247. But hey, maybe I'm just being paranoid, though I'm going to expect to.

[Prime]

Even though I don't read Archie Sonic anymore, I do tend to buy an issue when I happen across one at the store (which might never happen again now that the grocery store down the street no longer has a comic rack), and it kinda pains me to admit it, but sometimes... the comic isn't that bad. Sure, its SatAM roots are all but dead and buried, but the writing seems respectable for a comic book. A lot of what's wrong with it (and yes, there's still a lot that's wrong with it -- which was the case even when the comic was in its prime, IMO) really has more to do with the comics industry than with Archie Sonic in particular. You try reading Spider-Man or something and you'll come across the same shit. (I hear they've killed off Peter Parker. Which is more likely -- they did it because it makes for a good story, or because it will generate buzz?) It's just not possible to pump out a quality issue every month with the kind of schedules and budgets involved (especially the sorts of budgets Archie has -- I believe they don't pay nearly as well as Marvel and DC). Yeah, there are occasional comic books where every issue seems perfect, but I think they're very rare exceptions.

This sort of thing is why I refuse to ever get involved with the monthly comics industry. Well, except possibly as an inker, which I'd definitely be doing for cash rather than any sort of creativity or passion...

But kef, you gotta realise that while the SatAM cast have been with the series since the first issue, they weren't exactly the SatAM cast, the comic's beginnings were much like AoStH, more slapstick and humor then the darker, gritty tone that SatAM had. SatAM's general tone and theme didn't arrive into the comic until around 1995, right as the second season ended. Most will say that's when the comic was finding it's feet and getting good and that it was still the early days, but it's real roots were SatAM cast that weren't like their TV counterparts and more or less felt like AoStH.

And you are right, Marvel had recently killed off Peter Parker in one of their Spider-Man titles, but it wasn't the actual Peter Parker in their main continuity, if I recall correctly it was part of their "Ultimate" series continuity. That Peter Parker was replaced with a new character and then he came back. Which is the norm in comics. Shit, ever since the early 1990s when DC Comics killed off Superman and then brought him back as if nothing had happened and in a very weak way (he was in a "coma"), it's the norm for big characters to die and then return. It's happened so much. I guess you could say that the story The Death and Return of Superman didn't actually kill Superman, it killed death in comics.

[furrykef]

But kef, you gotta realise that while the SatAM cast have been with the series since the first issue, they weren't exactly the SatAM cast, the comic's beginnings were much like AoStH, more slapstick and humor then the darker, gritty tone that SatAM had. SatAM's general tone and theme didn't arrive into the comic until around 1995, right as the second season ended. Most will say that's when the comic was finding it's feet and getting good and that it was still the early days, but it's real roots were SatAM cast that weren't like their TV counterparts and more or less felt like AoStH.

That's the period I meant when I referred to the comic's "prime" -- circa #20 through #46. The comics in this period had great writing and great art. They also had horrible writing and horrible art. It all depended on who was writing/drawing it and how rushed they were.

I'm of course well aware the comic used to be like AoStH. After all, my first issue of the series was Sonic #2. I also think it really sucked, and so on the whole I prefer to ignore that period.

Marvel had recently killed off Peter Parker in one of their Spider-Man titles, but it wasn't the actual Peter Parker in their main continuity, if I recall correctly it was part of their "Ultimate" series continuity. That Peter Parker was replaced with a new character and then he came back. Which is the norm in comics.

You're thinking of something different. Peter Parker was killed in the main continuity last month in issue #700 of The Amazing Spider-Man. Spider-Man and Doctor Octopus swapped bodies (groan -- another stupid and overdone comic-bookish plot device), then Doctor Octopus's body was killed, and Peter along with it. It was the final issue of The Amazing Spider-Man, and it's continuing with The Superior Spider-Man. I'm sure, of course, that they'll bring Peter back (and probably The Amazing Spider-Man with it), but no doubt they'll play this arc for a few months or a year before they do.

Shit, ever since the early 1990s when DC Comics killed off Superman and then brought him back as if nothing had happened and in a very weak way (he was in a "coma"), it's the norm for big characters to die and then return. It's happened so much. I guess you could say that the story The Death and Return of Superman didn't actually kill Superman, it killed death in comics.

And even though this plot device has been "killed", people keep using it -- hence my belief that stupidity is kind of endemic to the medium of monthly comics.

[Uncle Ben]

In all fairness, you shouldn't be judging what's been happening in the comic if you haven't read it in last 14 odd years. That would be like if I went up and punched the director of a movie I hadn't seen and said "That was for that crap movie you made! I haven't seen it but I heard it really sucked!" And for all I know is I might actually have enjoyed that movie.

As for your points:

.Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
Not the first time she has been roboticized in the comic. granted the first time only lasted one issue, but then again it has been revealed she'll be returned to her normal self soon. Plus she isn't the only main character to have been roboticizied before.

.Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman.
This was done under the previous writers and nothing to do with the current writer. The same writers who had worked on the comic during the run you had read who had been working on the book for so long they probably ran out of decent ideas. Seriously the end days of Ken Penders and Karl Bollers were more about pointless drama that was insanely boring in what is meant to be an action adventure comic for kids.

.Sonic and Sally arent even remotely a couple anymore.
No, but it appeared they were getting their relationship back on track before Sally was roboticized, and again, the break up wasn't the current writers idea. Plus, this isn't the first relationship break up in comic history. There are plenty of more well known and much beloved couples in comics who have done the break up routine. It's very common in comics.

.Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
Because best friends have never had fallings out with one another ever? Again, not the first time this has happened in comics.

.Price in my area is too high.
Could always get them shipped to you via eBay, it's what I do.

.Too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
Keep in mind this comic is now in the 20th year of it's run and was never an adaption of the video games or SatAM, it was it's own seperate continuity that has used the characters from both universes. It is and should be allowed to expand itself by adding new characters, which again, is the norm in comic books. Plus at the time you were reading the comic had plenty of characters unique to it's continuity.

.Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
Because you haven't been reading. Chuck and Snively had both popped up recently. Dulcy? Ehhhh, well in all fiarness, she isn't exactly a grade A character to begin with. Her whole reason for exisiting in the show was for getting characters from point A to point B, could only carry like 2 characters on her back and be another source of comic relief.

.Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
Again, this isn't a continuation of SatAM and as such the comic should be allowed to develop these characters differently compared to their on screen counterparts. As for the over night thing.... Well... Shit happens?

.Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
Let's not forget how this comic book started, when it was more like AoStH and it (and most likely readers) couldn't take it seriously. And let's not forget that this is a book aimed a children.

.Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?
Well in all honesty, what was the Endgame arc all about when you think about the outcome? Shock drama. This huge build up of suspense and worry over Sally and everything turned out okay in the end. And in all fairness, I don't really recall reading any stories in this comic that were decent of touching in the old days. The 1990s were a dark time for comic books, lots of crazy weird things happened and the Archie Sonic book was not immune to this sort of thing happening in it. And plus anything kind of shocking moment in comics, movies or TV can be considered a "shock value" moment, like in The Avengers when they killed off Agent Coulson, a popular character just to get the team to work together. And then it seems like the death was pointless because it's been said he'll be a main character in the upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D TV series. So it's shock value for killing him off just to move the story alone which ends up becoming pointless shock value.

I'll admit that I started reading this comic around #110 and stopped at #134 because of how insanely terrible it was. I came in at the wrong time for this comic. However a friend got to me pick it up again at #213 and I've been reading it here and there. Granted it's not the most solid comic book I'm currently reading at the moment, that honor goes to Transformers: More the Meets the Eye but compared to the stuff I had read in the Archie Sonic comic before, what's going on now isn't that bad. And I have gotten around to reading a lot of the material that was produced before #110 and it's a mixed bag. Some good, some bad, some enjoyable, some terrible.

I'd suggest you hunt out some more recent stuff and see for yourself with how it's developing. Taking other peoples words on what is happening isn't actually a good thing to do because you might enjoy what they don't.

I agree with Prime. Yo really cant judge it if ya havent read it in the Past 15 years. And i agree with All of Prime's arguments

[furrykef]

I don't fully believe the saying that you don't know something sucks until you've seen/read/played it. I don't have to see an Uwe Boll or Seltzer & Friedberg movie to know it sucks. But then there are those people who boycotted movies like Dogma, The Life of Brian, and Coonskin without really having any idea what they're really about, so you have to be careful...

[Prime]

I agree with Prime. Yo really cant judge it if ya havent read it in the Past 15 years. And i agree with All of Prime's arguments

I wouldn't call them arguements per say. More like valid points.

I don't fully believe the saying that you don't know something sucks until you've seen/read/played it. I don't have to see an Uwe Boll or Seltzer & Friedberg movie to know it sucks. But then there are those people who boycotted movies like Dogma, The Life of Brian, and Coonskin without really having any idea what they're really about, so you have to be careful...

Granted, someone like Uwe Boll is never really going to make a movie that's even on the level of "bearable", but that's a guy who has a carrer in making total trainwrecks of movies, especially when it comes to licensed video game movies.

Something like this comic though is sort of split really, you've got fans who are liking what's happening and fans who aren't liking it and if someone is only listening to the fans who don't like something, they are bound to get the wrong ideas about it.

[Uncle Ben]

I agree with Prime. Yo really cant judge it if ya havent read it in the Past 15 years. And i agree with All of Prime's arguments

I wouldn't call them arguements per say. More like valid points.

Close enough... you knew what i meant

[Uncle Ben]

But if you havent read the comics since #73, you really dont have much grounds to say you dont like it. Now if it was like issue 179 when you stopped i would understand in a way. You stopped reading at Penders's time and Flynn has been different so your points are a little biased if anything from the experience you got from reading this when Penders's was writing

[bwrosas]

Ive been reading alot of different reviews and reports about the latest Sonic Archie comics. Frankly, each post makes me definately glad I stopped reading the comics at issue #73.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points, but these are just a few of the tidbits and little scraps of information Ive been finding. (As well as some observations) These are listed in no particular order of importance, so please dont go "well this point is more important than that one" yada yada yada.

• Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
• Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman
• Sonic and sally arent even remotely a couple anymore
• Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
• Price in my area is too high
• too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
• Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
• Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
• Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
• Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?

And there you have it. Just a few of my reasons why I dont read Archie comics anymore.
Make of these what you will, but I felt I just had to get these of my chest. Please dont hate me. I realize I am a nobody and really have no right to bash on one form of fandom or the other, I just needed to vent. Thank you.

Finally, if there is a more appropriate spot for this, could someone please Let me know/move this topic there/both? I would be very much appreciated.

Here's my reply to ya : http://www.youtube.c...oAtnShF7dsbVEhM

[RedAuthar]

.Sally has become a generic, roboticized [bleep]
Not the first time she has been roboticized in the comic. granted the first time only lasted one issue, but then again it has been revealed she'll be returned to her normal self soon. Plus she isn't the only main character to have been roboticizied before.

Sally's roboticization has been the longest main character Roboticization, and she really hasn't done anything but BE a robot. Sonic was Robotized for a special and caused more problems than this.

.Sonic has become a [bleep] and actually used a woman.
This was done under the previous writers and nothing to do with the current writer. The same writers who had worked on the comic during the run you had read who had been working on the book for so long they probably ran out of decent ideas. Seriously the end days of Ken Penders and Karl Bollers were more about pointless drama that was insanely boring in what is meant to be an action adventure comic for kids.

It's drama. I can't think of one series that hasn't had one of the main characters use someone. Penders and Bollers were hoping to appeal to long term fans rather then the main audience. It wasn't the best move.

.Sonic and Sally arent even remotely a couple anymore.
No, but it appeared they were getting their relationship back on track before Sally was roboticized, and again, the break up wasn't the current writers idea. Plus, this isn't the first relationship break up in comic history. There are plenty of more well known and much beloved couples in comics who have done the break up routine. It's very common in comics.

Agreed here. They were coming back together. However they were broken up for a very long time. More issues then they've really been together.

.Sonic and Tails actually fought....i mean seriously fought!
Because best friends have never had fallings out with one another ever? Again, not the first time this has happened in comics.

It's good for Tails to show he doesn't always agree with Sonic. However the fight was.....retarded at best. It was more over Tails's crush on Fiona and Sonic spent the majority of the Fight get pounded by Tails. It was kind of....bad.

.Price in my area is too high.
Could always get them shipped to you via eBay, it's what I do.

Yeah this is the make or break point. Is it worth the money or not? If you don't like the way the series is going you're better off not buying the comics. Ebay, Store, otherwise.

.Too many characters I dont recognize from ethier the games OR SatAM.
Keep in mind this comic is now in the 20th year of it's run and was never an adaption of the video games or SatAM, it was it's own seperate continuity that has used the characters from both universes. It is and should be allowed to expand itself by adding new characters, which again, is the norm in comic books. Plus at the time you were reading the comic had plenty of characters unique to it's continuity.

Well...characters come and go. If you don't follow it you won't know who they are. Though the majority of the newer (like really new) characters don't have much backstory to them yet anyways.

.Ive heard next to nothing about Uncle Chuck, Sonic's family, Dulcy, or Snivley!
Because you haven't been reading. Chuck and Snively had both popped up recently. Dulcy? Ehhhh, well in all fiarness, she isn't exactly a grade A character to begin with. Her whole reason for exisiting in the show was for getting characters from point A to point B, could only carry like 2 characters on her back and be another source of comic relief.

Chuck does a lot. Just never in the limelight. Snively just had arc, but it was in the Universe comics. And Dulcy had an ending of sorts. I don't think she's coming back.

.Wait...Antione is cool? He's actually speaking fluent english? (I understand if it was over a period of time, but from what I heard it was overnight?)
Again, this isn't a continuation of SatAM and as such the comic should be allowed to develop these characters differently compared to their on screen counterparts. As for the over night thing.... Well... Shit happens?

Actually it didn't happen overnight. Instead the revealed that the Goofy/Cowardly Antoine was because he was in a bad state. However he eventually got over it and turned to a cooler Antoine. Also he doesn't speak fluent english. He still has an Accent.

.Swatbots. In. Tuxedos. (nuff said)
Let's not forget how this comic book started, when it was more like AoStH and it (and most likely readers) couldn't take it seriously. And let's not forget that this is a book aimed a children.

Uh....I have no response to that. At all.

.Comic goes on shock value now rather than decent touching storylines? When did this start?
Well in all honesty, what was the Endgame arc all about when you think about the outcome? Shock drama. This huge build up of suspense and worry over Sally and everything turned out okay in the end. And in all fairness, I don't really recall reading any stories in this comic that were decent or touching in the old days. The 1990s were a dark time for comic books, lots of crazy weird things happened and the Archie Sonic book was not immune to this sort of thing happening in it. And plus any kind of shocking moment in comics, movies or TV can be considered a "shock value" moment, like in The Avengers when they killed off Agent Coulson, a popular character just to get the team to work together. And then it seems like the death was pointless because it's been said he'll be a main character in the upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D TV series. So it's shock value for killing him off just to move the story along which ends up becoming pointless shock value.

Wait what TV series?
Back to focus, Shock Value it CAN be good too. Ian just uses it a lot. Really a lot.

I have to say I see where both Prime and fiff are coming from. I agree with both and neither on some issues and some one or the other.

Honestly though, if you haven't been reading it for a while things are going to be hectic and crazy and otherwise downright weird.

[Prime]

Sally's roboticization has been the longest main character Roboticization, and she really hasn't done anything but BE a robot. Sonic was Robotized for a special and caused more problems than this.

Well yeah, she can't really do much else considering the whole point of roboticization was for Robotnik/Eggman to enslave mobians into being a loyal robotic workforce and any thing else he desired.

It's drama. I can't think of one series that hasn't had one of the main characters use someone. Penders and Bollers were hoping to appeal to long term fans rather then the main audience. It wasn't the best move.

Agreed with that.

Agreed here. They were coming back together. However they were broken up for a very long time. More issues then they've really been together.

True, but the break up happened in a Karl Bollers issues and during the rest of the run while he and Penders were in charge, they pretty much wrote Sally as a total bitch character. When Ian took over, he saw about changing her back to the way she use to be. Took a little while until things were finally on the mend, but I think if they just did it over the course of a few issues it would have more then likely felt rushed.

It's good for Tails to show he doesn't always agree with Sonic. However the fight was.....retarded at best. It was more over Tails's crush on Fiona and Sonic spent the majority of the Fight get pounded by Tails. It was kind of....bad.

Oh without a doubt it could of been handled better, but I was just trying to get the point across that even best friends can have serious falling outs. And yes, even over a girl/woman. Take Rick and Shane from The Walking Dead, that ended up pretty bad for Shane.

Yeah this is the make or break point. Is it worth the money or not? If you don't like the way the series is going you're better off not buying the comics. Ebay, Store, otherwise.

You also forgot from a collecting stand point.

Well...characters come and go. If you don't follow it you won't know who they are. Though the majority of the newer (like really new) characters don't have much backstory to them yet anyways.

True, I think it's more interesting to develop a characters backstory over a course of time then shoving it in the readers face in one go.

Wait what TV series?

You've not heard? ABC have commissioned a pilot for a S.H.I.E.L.D TV series and it will star Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson and the character will headline the series. The TV series will also be set in the same continuity as the Marvel Cinematic Universe and could even have cameos from some of the series regulars. Sam Jackson has said he wouldn't say no to popping up here and there in the series. Plus it's been confirmed that the series takes place after the events of The Avengers, so either Coulson survived and Nick Fury lied about his death to motivate the team, or either the Coulson that died in the movie or the one in the TV series will be one of those android doubles that S.H.I.E.L.D has scattered around the place. Either way though it makes the "death" pretty pointless.

[RedAuthar]

Coulson was set to appear in Iron Man 3 so.......

Also even for a collector's stand point. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

[Prime]

Coulson was set to appear in Iron Man 3 so.......

Well he was in talks to appear in Iron Man 3 as well as Thor: The Dark World before the release of The Avengers, however, Clark Gregg isn't listed anywhere for Iron Man 3 at the moment. Could be that if he does appear in the movie, they are keeping it a secret. All I know is William Sadler is gonna be in the movie and that'll be something I'll look forward to, Sadler is an amazing actor.