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[FUS News Robot]

"(W) Ian Flynn (A) Terry Austin & Various (CA) Tracy Yardley, Matt Herms
'Endangered Species,' The Conclusion! It's the most world-shattering story to ever hit Knuckles the Echidna, and it all ends here! As Team Fighters make their way to the Arctic, Thrash and Knuckles collide in an explosive final battle for the fate of the Echidnas. So why is Silver the Hedgehog in the mix? Find out in this exciting finale!"

 



"(W) Ian Flynn (A) Jim Amash & Various (CA) Stephen Downer, Tracy Yardley
'All For One,' Part Four. The search for Mighty and Ray is over! It's pandemonium as the Sand Blasters and Eggman's Forces battle with the Chaotix caught in the middle! Will Mighty be reunited with his long-lost sister? Will she remember him? Will any of them get out alive?"

[LaserX5]

Most world-shattering story to ever hit Knuckles the Echidna? I seriously doubt that, especially considering over a hundred issue ago, he valiantly sacrificed his life for the sake of his friends in a similar style of story. Overhyping much, Archie?

And who in their right mind thought it would be fitting to have Sonic make a lame joke about Knuckles finally cracking on the main cover for a supposed intense cover issue?? That's even more cheesy than Sonic's bad one liners from AOSTH, and that was during a period where cheesy one liners were the norm.

It's like this comic wants to pretend it's conflicts are serious and aimed for an older audience, but then resorts to goofy one liners like this.

Meh, another typical day in the weird world of Archie Sonic I suppose...

[LogiTeeka]

And who in their right mind thought it would be fitting to have Sonic make a lame joke about Knuckles finally cracking on the main cover for a supposed intense cover issue?? That's even more cheesy than Sonic's bad one liners from AOSTH, and that was during a period where cheesy one liners were the norm.

It's like this comic wants to pretend it's conflicts are serious and aimed for an older audience, but then resorts to goofy one liners like this.

Meh, another typical day in the weird world of Archie Sonic I suppose...

Well, it's a kids comic. Sonic has always been about cheesy one-liners; that's just who he his and always will be. Is there anything wrong with that?

[LaserX5]

Well, it's a kids comic. Sonic has always been about cheesy one-liners; that's just who he his and always will be. Is there anything wrong with that?

No, I don't have any qualms about that at all. I enjoy watching AOSTH, and that's as cheesy as Sonic gets.

I just find it very humorous this comic has stories in it that tries to act like it's serious and intense what's going on, but then it's throws in ridiculously silly stuff like this to ruin that atmosphere. It's one of the biggest reasons why Flynn's so called ultimate dark story failed miserably in my book.

Honestly, I wish the comic would just stick to being mostly light hearted or dark instead of having a mix that doesn't mesh well at all. At least to me it doesn't.

[LogiTeeka]

I think the covers are there just to grab readers' attention. It's not like they're gonna break the forth wall or anything like that during the actual story - unlike the earlier semi-canon issues. Humor like that is now reserved for the "Off Panel" series, which has greatly improved since Ian's revival of the series.

As for a proper portrayal, everyone has different tastes. For me, if it's too lighthearted and cartoony, you get AoStH (which is rather annoying). If it's too dark and edgy, you get "Shadow the Hedgehog" and "Sonic 06" (which don't feel like Sonic games).

Personally, I think the comics have found a good middleground between lighthearted and serious. The lighthearted/humorous moments are used to heighten the series' whimsical atmosphere, while the more serious/darker moments are reserved for drama and character development.

[ILOVEVHS]

You don't know what will happen! Maybe Knuckles discovers that Mobius is really the Matrix, and he and Neo must save everyone!

[RedAuthar]

I didn't like the Matrix so I hope not.

But LaserX has a point,
Flynn usually is the one to pull out forgotten characters and story elements and hold them as canon or important now (Larry Lynx, the Nerbs, so on so forth), that it seems almost careless to forget the Knuckles did die, prevented the destruction of his entire race, and lost his Father, then call this Knuckles's Most World Shattering event (unless of course they kill like Julie-Su or Kneecaps or his mom....).

Also, Personally I think the series HAD a good balance on comedy and serious, but has lost it. Perhaps things will fix themselves but I think the balance isn't perfect anymore. I feel too many issues are either too goofy and then the next too dark.

[LaserX5]

I think the covers are there just to grab readers' attention. It's not like they're gonna break the forth wall or anything like that during the actual story - unlike the earlier semi-canon issues. Humor like that is now reserved for the "Off Panel" series, which has greatly improved since Ian's revival of the series.

As for a proper portrayal, everyone has different tastes. For me, if it's too lighthearted and cartoony, you get AoStH (which is rather annoying). If it's too dark and edgy, you get "Shadow the Hedgehog" and "Sonic 06" (which don't feel like Sonic games).

Personally, I think the comics have found a good middle-ground between lighthearted and serious. The lighthearted/humorous moments are used to heighten the series' whimsical atmosphere, while the more serious/darker moments are reserved for drama and character development.

I don't agree the comics have a found that good mix at all, but if you do, ok then...

I didn't like the Matrix so I hope not.

But LaserX has a point,
Flynn usually is the one to pull out forgotten characters and story elements and hold them as canon or important now (Larry Lynx, the Nerbs, so on so forth), that it seems almost careless to forget the Knuckles did die, prevented the destruction of his entire race, and lost his Father, then call this Knuckles's Most World Shattering event (unless of course they kill like Julie-Su or Kneecaps or his mom....).

Also, Personally I think the series HAD a good balance on comedy and serious, but has lost it. Perhaps things will fix themselves but I think the balance isn't perfect anymore. I feel too many issues are either too goofy and then the next too dark.

I'll be seriously ticked if Flynn dares to kill off or even hint of possibly killing off Julie-Su or his Mom for more nauseating shockvalue, especially with such a goofy cover. As if the comic cast hasn't been hammered enough...

It's no secret that this guy never has liked Knuckles' soul mate. He rarely even uses her in his stories, and this one she should be her biggest role yet with Mecha Sally in the picture.

[Shadow]

That first cover is awful. Lazy half assed drawn with the stupid joke thrown in.

[RedAuthar]

To be honest I never really liked Julie-Su.

[LaserX5]

To be honest I never really liked Julie-Su.

Yea, I know not alot of Sonic fans are crazy about her either.

Overall, I don't believe Julie-Su is a bad character at all, but the writers on the book, especially Ken Penders, have for the most part reduced her role as nothing more than Knuckles' shoehorned girlfriend. So, it's no wonder she gets alot of flak by the fanbase. Penders really did not put much effort into developing her when introducing this character into the series, and that is really is a shame because I think she has alot of potential.

I mean, she's one of the better female fighters and the only one to wield a gun. All she needs is someone who will take the time to develop her personality, and she could really be a good character for the series.

But yea, that's just me...

[RedAuthar]

That's why I don't like her. Except for being the mandatory female character in the Knuckles comic, she was a very uninteresting character (and this is coming from the guy who feels pity for the generic stormtroopers in StarWars).

She has so much potential, but all she ever really will be is Knuckles Girlfriend, which in itself is rather....lame.

[Uncle Ben]

Unless something changes drastically

[LaserX5]

That's why I don't like her. Except for being the mandatory female character in the Knuckles comic, she was a very uninteresting character (and this is coming from the guy who feels pity for the generic stormtroopers in StarWars).

She has so much potential, but all she ever really will be is Knuckles Girlfriend, which in itself is rather....lame.

That's because no one took the time to develop her, not even the one who brought her into the series to begin with. I mean, even how she was introduced was so ridiculously contrived, it's no wonder alot of Sonic fans hate her.

You know, I really wonder what the point of introducing new characters to a series if the writers have no intention of giving them actual character development.

[Uncle Ben]

You know, I really wonder what the point of introducing new characters to a series if the writers have no intention of giving them actual character development.

Thats what i have been asking

[RedAuthar]

Exactly.

[Shadow]

Julie Su is more interesting than Shade.

[RedAuthar]

Shade is a poor man's Julie-Su.

[Uncle Ben]

Shade is a character of the game

[LogiTeeka]

Also, Personally I think the series HAD a good balance on comedy and serious, but has lost it. Perhaps things will fix themselves but I think the balance isn't perfect anymore. I feel too many issues are either too goofy and then the next too dark.

Which era of the comics was that exactly? From what I remember, the comics never felt that consistent until around Ian's run. The series started off way too goofy to be taken seriously, than round in the 40-50 issues, they started becoming too serious (even darker than SatAM). Bollers' run brought the series closer to the "Sonic Adventure" atmosphere, but Penders proceeded to make the series feel less like a kids' comic and more like a "Star Trek" fanfiction. With Ian as the writer, I feel like I'm reading an actual Sonic story.

Julie Su is more interesting than Shade.

Shade is a poor man's Julie-Su.

To Shade's credit, her defection to the Freedom Fighters made much more sense than Julie-Su's poorly explained betrayal.