Recently I've been trying to catch up with the Archie comics since I blanked out on all of the issues pretty much after 51-160. I'm doing this since the comic has caught my interest again lately, but I'm confused about Robotnik.
I believe Ian and another friend of mine said that he's the same Robotnik as before (saying that basically Robotnik and the new Eggman are the same character), but didn't Robotnik die in issue 50?
Another friend told me that a completely different Robotnik got some sort of virus that changed him, so before he got that virus, was he the same Robotnik or not? Are they the same character or am I being mislead? I hope someone here can clear things up for me
Sorry if that seemed confusing!
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Robotnik and the new Robotnik/Eggman. Are they the same?
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, May 20 2008 11:48 AM
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 12:21 PM
They're not the same.
Eggman (I'll call him like this to avoid confusion) is basically Robo-Robotnik, the one we saw in the early issues, the one who destroyed "his" Sonic in his dimension. He transferred his memory into the Eggman body, that had the ability to roboticize by a simple touch with the hand. Later, he was transformed into a full flesh and blood body (Snively too since he was voluntarily roboticized) by the Bems who deroboticized almost all people of Mobius.
Eggman (I'll call him like this to avoid confusion) is basically Robo-Robotnik, the one we saw in the early issues, the one who destroyed "his" Sonic in his dimension. He transferred his memory into the Eggman body, that had the ability to roboticize by a simple touch with the hand. Later, he was transformed into a full flesh and blood body (Snively too since he was voluntarily roboticized) by the Bems who deroboticized almost all people of Mobius.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 01:59 PM
However, was'nt Robo-Robotnik considered to be Robotnik Prime from a possible future, thus making him in a way, the same person as Robotnik Prime?
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 02:24 PM
No.
Robo-Robotnik/Eggman is an alternate reality Robotnik whose incompetence nearly cost him the war against his Freedom Fighters.
It should also be noted that Robo-Robotnik's technology was vastly inferior to Robotnik Prime's as of issue 19.
Robo-Robotnik/Eggman is an alternate reality Robotnik whose incompetence nearly cost him the war against his Freedom Fighters.
It should also be noted that Robo-Robotnik's technology was vastly inferior to Robotnik Prime's as of issue 19.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 05:24 PM
I am going to try to be as unbiased about this as possible...as every time I look at 'Eggman' in the comics I want to vomit...however....
Robo-Robotnik/Eggman originally had a personality much closer to the SA style Eggman, in which he was somewhat goofy and clumsy of a character. However, depending on who the writer is, he sometimes has a personality more fitting to that of the original Robotnik, in which he is sort've goofy when its appropriate, but much more menacing in general, and that is how he has been portrayed lately...
I've always wanted to see the original Robotnik return as a permanent or at least long-lasting character...but then I think about all the ways it could be done wrong..like that awful issue 107 or whichever, which I think should be blanked out of existence...
Robo-Robotnik/Eggman originally had a personality much closer to the SA style Eggman, in which he was somewhat goofy and clumsy of a character. However, depending on who the writer is, he sometimes has a personality more fitting to that of the original Robotnik, in which he is sort've goofy when its appropriate, but much more menacing in general, and that is how he has been portrayed lately...
I've always wanted to see the original Robotnik return as a permanent or at least long-lasting character...but then I think about all the ways it could be done wrong..like that awful issue 107 or whichever, which I think should be blanked out of existence...
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 06:12 PM
Your post kinda confused me since it didn't seem to really address my question (though I'm guessing that last sentence means they really are different characters).
Sooo, from what people are saying here, Robotnik and this new Robotnik/Eggman/whatever are not the same character. Thanks for clearing that up.
Sooo, from what people are saying here, Robotnik and this new Robotnik/Eggman/whatever are not the same character. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 09:24 PM
I'd say that they're probably meant to be the same character, just not physically the same person. Y'know, it'd be like being killed by a clone of yourself and being replaced by somebody who's exactly like you. For all intents and purposes, you'd be the same character, 'cause you're not any different.
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Posted 20 May 2008 - 10:29 PM
I haven't gotten to reading everything about the comic yet and I'm still confused on a few things sooo~
Can it be said that they really are the same character (not counting their looks because that's not a factor for me), or are they literally different characters in terms or personality and origins?
Also, who is Robotnik Prime? o.O And where did the Eggman body come from exactly?
Can it be said that they really are the same character (not counting their looks because that's not a factor for me), or are they literally different characters in terms or personality and origins?
Also, who is Robotnik Prime? o.O And where did the Eggman body come from exactly?
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:03 AM
Well Kayona, the comic takes place on Mobius Prime. So the Sonic we see is Sonic Prime, while a 'spinoff' alternate reality version would be Evil Sonic (now renamed Scourge) or Robo-Robotnik (Eggman). In other words, Sonic Prime is "the one true Sonic of all dimensions".
Robotnik Prime is the original, true Robotnik, who was seemingly vaporized out of existence in issue 50. An alternate reality version of him came to Mobius shortly after, the "Eggman" we see today.
We know little of Eggman/Robo-Robotnik's history, but it's implied he experienced similar events to Robotnik Prime. The key difference is that this Robotnik was overthrown by Sonic and friends due to his stupidity, forcing him to roboticize himself and become "Robo-Robotnik". Even in this state he's a dismal failure - an encounter with Robotnik Prime proved that Robo-Robotnik's 'superior' Shadowbots were no match for SWATbots.
When Robo-Robotnik arrives on Mobius, his original body is soon destroyed by the Freedom Fighters. He then transfers his mind into a new shell, the 'Eggman' model. From that point onward his personality gradually came to resemble the insane, childish bufoon from the games.
Long story short, yes they are completely different characters despite sharing a similar 'starting point'.
Robotnik Prime is the original, true Robotnik, who was seemingly vaporized out of existence in issue 50. An alternate reality version of him came to Mobius shortly after, the "Eggman" we see today.
We know little of Eggman/Robo-Robotnik's history, but it's implied he experienced similar events to Robotnik Prime. The key difference is that this Robotnik was overthrown by Sonic and friends due to his stupidity, forcing him to roboticize himself and become "Robo-Robotnik". Even in this state he's a dismal failure - an encounter with Robotnik Prime proved that Robo-Robotnik's 'superior' Shadowbots were no match for SWATbots.
When Robo-Robotnik arrives on Mobius, his original body is soon destroyed by the Freedom Fighters. He then transfers his mind into a new shell, the 'Eggman' model. From that point onward his personality gradually came to resemble the insane, childish bufoon from the games.
Long story short, yes they are completely different characters despite sharing a similar 'starting point'.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:13 AM
Thanks Cheezmatt! That cleared up my confusion.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:18 AM
Meh, saw Chezz had already explained it but thought I'd go ahead and post this anyway.
In the sonic comic there are many "Zones" or dimensions, the one that the comic focuses on is the most important (dubbed the "Prime Zone" for this reason), though in these other dimensions there are an infinite amount of variations on the same characters, so any character that comes from the dimension the comic focuses on is that character's "Prime". So while there are many sonics from across the dimensions, the one from the main dimension is "Sonic Prime" for example, and same for all the other characters including Robotnik.
Eggman is one of the Robotniks from another dimension, who originally appeared as "Robo-robotnik" because he was completely roboticized (he had appeared one or twice before much earlier but) he became the main baddie in #75 following Robotnik prime's defeat and exile in another zone/dimension in #50 (though he was brought back for a comedy issue in like #108 or something, before being sent back to the other dimension), after his (Robo-robotnik's) original body was destroyed he transferred into the Eggman body basically.
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who is Robotnik Prime? o.O And where did the Eggman body come from exactly?
In the sonic comic there are many "Zones" or dimensions, the one that the comic focuses on is the most important (dubbed the "Prime Zone" for this reason), though in these other dimensions there are an infinite amount of variations on the same characters, so any character that comes from the dimension the comic focuses on is that character's "Prime". So while there are many sonics from across the dimensions, the one from the main dimension is "Sonic Prime" for example, and same for all the other characters including Robotnik.
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Can it be said that they really are the same character (not counting their looks because that's not a factor for me), or are they literally different characters in terms or personality and origins?
Eggman is one of the Robotniks from another dimension, who originally appeared as "Robo-robotnik" because he was completely roboticized (he had appeared one or twice before much earlier but) he became the main baddie in #75 following Robotnik prime's defeat and exile in another zone/dimension in #50 (though he was brought back for a comedy issue in like #108 or something, before being sent back to the other dimension), after his (Robo-robotnik's) original body was destroyed he transferred into the Eggman body basically.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:36 AM
What issue is that from Adamis? And thanks for your input too, Ratty.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 10:02 AM
Of all the shells, he just had to pick the dumbest looking one there right?
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 11:23 AM
Any man in their right mind would've picked the one in the middle over the "Eggman" look.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:14 PM
Lemme guess, all those other bodies have been completely forgotten since then. Rather a waste, I think.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 05:03 PM
Funny. Robotropolis was already nuked before, and that didn't stop Robotnik from rebuilding the city within a matter of months.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 05:56 PM
More of a matter of immediately.
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