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[Skylar]

It's the same Sally, but she got a new look : judge for youself :

What the heck happened? I think she has skye'e boots on. And she dyed her hair. But when Bunnie and Chuck were deroboticized, they looked exactly the same as when before they were reboticized for the first time. Why the random change now?

[ILOVEVHS]

Because SEGA!

[Skylar]

Well, SEGA is still awesome, even if they pulled something terribly terrible like this. I just don't get it though. How can a neurological adapter along with a full set of metal armor plating change the mobian within? That's not supposed to happen.

[LogiTeeka]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

If that's the case, why is Sally the one who everyone complains about? She's still the same character she's always been. It's not like they decided to make her a hedgehog or something else.

[Prime]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

If that's the case, why is Sally the one who everyone complains about? She's still the same character she's always been. It's not like they decided to make her a hedgehog or something else.

Because butthurt, that's why my good fellow.

[LogiTeeka]

I knew that. I was just wondering why.

I mean, Amy and Eggman's SA redesigns were just as drastic as Sally's redesign, yet everyone excludes them for whatever reason. All I'm asking is "why?" Is it because Sally's too perfect to change? People seem to forget that characters change as time passes.

Take a look at animator Freedy Moore's redesign of Mickey Mouse in the 1939 short "The Pointer". His design was quite different from the origonal version that everyone was familiar with back then, yet it became Mickey's official look to this very day.

Another good example is the dark knight himself, Batman. His origonal design in the early comics and TV series was a blue mask and cape, light grey jumpsuit, and a bight yellow symbol on his belt. But when the series started becoming more serious, not only did they darken his costume, but they also gave him an armored combat suit for protection. The result was a tougher and more interesting depiction of the character.

Who knows? Maybe this design for Sally won't be so bad after all. Only time will tell.

[Uncle Ben]

My problem with the new look is that is very different in a few ways. I think the biggest problem is that we have been accustomed to her original look for the longest time and the only real change before this Sally getting longer hair (which wasnt bad). So i think we just didn't expect this and we are just mad that everyone is gonna look like a SegaSonic Character.

Personally i dont like it. It looks like she's becoming like a mainstream SegaSonic character and if Sega has anything to do with it Sally will become apart of the Cheering squad. I think it would be best if they kept the same looks just so its different from the games

[LogiTeeka]

My problem with the new look is that is very different in a few ways. I think the biggest problem is that we have been accustomed to her original look for the longest time and the only real change before this Sally getting longer hair (which wasnt bad). So i think we just didn't expect this and we are just mad that everyone is gonna look like a SegaSonic Character.

Honestly, I hated that design. For me, the long hair seemed out of character. Sally's a girl ready for action who dosn't care for royal treatment, so it makes sense for her to keep it short. I understand she let it grow in memory of Sonic's heroic sacrifice against the Xorda, but why did she continue to keep it after Sonic returned? I'm just glad they're keeping the short-hair in her redesign.

[RedAuthar]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

I did. I thought Eggman and Robotnik were separate Characters....course I didn't get to see the redesign till SA2 Battle.

Honestly, I hated that design. For me, the long hair seemed out of character. Sally's a girl ready for action who dosn't care for royal treatment, so it makes sense for her to keep it short. I understand she let it grow in memory of Sonic's heroic sacrifice against the Xorda, but why did she continue to keep it after Sonic returned? I'm just glad they're keeping the short-hair in her redesign.

Honestly I thought she looked better with long hair. Yeah I understand TECHNICALLY Long hair would get in the way....but in a world where all the Female Characters seem to have short hair, it made her stand out.

Though honestly the more I see the redesigned outfit I don't care. I mean in all honesty it's not bad...it's just not what we wanted.

[LogiTeeka]

I did. I thought Eggman and Robotnik were separate Characters....course I didn't get to see the redesign till SA2 Battle.

So Eggman's appearance in the classic games didn't bewilder you at all?

Funny, I myself once thought they were brothers. But I forgot what it was that convinced me they weren't.

[RedAuthar]

I only owned Sonic 3 and Knuckles on the PC at the time I first played SA2 Battle.

[Skylar]

I knew that. I was just wondering why.

I mean, Amy and Eggman's SA redesigns were just as drastic as Sally's redesign, yet everyone excludes them for whatever reason. All I'm asking is "why?" Is it because Sally's too perfect to change? People seem to forget that characters change as time passes.

Take a look at animator Freedy Moore's redesign of Mickey Mouse in the 1939 short "The Pointer". His design was quite different from the origonal version that everyone was familiar with back then, yet it became Mickey's official look to this very day.

Another good example is the dark knight himself, Batman. His origonal design in the early comics and TV series was a blue mask and cape, light grey jumpsuit, and a bight yellow symbol on his belt. But when the series started becoming more serious, not only did they darken his costume, but they also gave him an armored combat suit for protection. The result was a tougher and more interesting depiction of the character.

Who knows? Maybe this design for Sally won't be so bad after all. Only time will tell.

Yea...no. The problem is that those changes were understandable. Let me list a couple.


Batman:

As he moved on through is life, he felt that he needed to represent his fallen parents more and more, explaining the black suit, for black = sadness/mourning. Also, this helped him use what he usually uses now: the darkness, to his advantage.


Sonic The Hedgehog:

Most human babies have huge heads, compared to their bodies. While an infant, 1/4 of a human's height is pure head. Same with Sonic. Of course, he aged, and the rest of his body caught up, just like what happens in humans. Sonic ages, and Mario does not.


Amy:

Honestly, I always thought she was the same, and never really did change. If/when I see her as a before/after thing, then I may be able to testify. Until then, I can't tell the difference.


Miles, and the rest of classic Sonic characters:

Read what I put down for Sonic, because it most probably allpies to the other characters.


Mickey Mouse:

Mickey decided to finally wear contacts upon request from Minnie, giving him full pupils, rather than 3/4 pupils, otherwise known as Pac-man eyes. (At least for me.) Also, the color thing was just a new feature.


Dr.R

As the doctor aged, he too grew taller. Also, with an increased knowledge, Dr.R now has more gadgets inplanted into his suit, explaining the random white spots on his boots. He also got a new "tux" that was different from the one before, but that also protected him better. Remember the rocket boots Dr.R used when he was "trapped" by Antoine? Now Dr.R has much more of that stuff in his suit. The problem is, with so many things in his suit, he often forgets when gadget to use for which situation, and hates to be wrong, so he doesn't risk pressing the wrong button, or saying the wrong command.

I totally made up these excuses, but as far as I can tell, they seem pretty valid. What do you think?

[bwrosas]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

If that's the case, why is Sally the one who everyone complains about? She's still the same character she's always been. It's not like they decided to make her a hedgehog or something else.

It's not really the outfit, it's more along the lines, that it makes her look younger and some are afaid that her personailty will change.

But if one looks at 199, 200, and 201, when Ben Bates or whoever drew her in her orgianl design, she looked like she was between 13-15 years old, when her bio says she;s around 18-20 years old.

So basically it's not the clothes, it;s the facial/body features and how the teaser pic was drawn that has some fans worried.

[Skylar]

Still: it's weird.

[LaserX5]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

Did Amy or Eggman get theirs through a graphic process and/or controversial story?

No, it was just done. Simple. Had Sally's been done that way, it wouldn't have been nearly as big of a deal.

Now, does that mean I would liked it any better? No, not really. I never liked the idea of her becoming Segafied. Sally had a unique indentity compared to the others, and that's what made her my personal favorite. Still, I could have SOMEWHAT accepted this if this was going to be her look in a Sega game. I mean, even I know Sally's vest and boots attire alone would never fly in a Sonic game.

You know, they just announced it an upcoming game like they did with Amy and Eggman's new look from SA.

Now? Just the thought of Sally wearing that in a Sega game, let alone the comic if it ever happened would be a huge insult to me. I don't want to ever be reminded of Ian's overblown Mecha Sally story after it's finished. If anything, I'd like to pretend it never existed.

All of this turmoil for a measly Segafied outfit...

If that's the case, why is Sally the one who everyone complains about? She's still the same character she's always been. It's not like they decided to make her a hedgehog or something else.

They might as well had made her a hedgehog. She's basically a squirrel version of Amy and Marine's Sega design now.

If they had to redesign Sally, couldn't they have at least made her stand out instead of being another bland SegaSonic female clone?

[Prime]

Roboticization and "Upgrading" = Nightmare fuel obviously.

I love how the term "graphic" is being used when it really should only apply to actually seeing the event happen. Seeing the before and after stages without the juicy middle bit of it happening in the middle defeats the purpose of it being "graphic", sure you can imagine the graphicness of the situation, but then again, I can equally think of the vile and graphic things that could of been happening inbetween scenes of shows like Lost In Space or some shit like that.

If you want an actual graphic transformation, then watch this scene from A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 because that at least lives up to the meaning of the word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl0dTaGiGmY

Somehow I doubt Sally's... *ahem* "upgrading" compares to that.

[DCC]

I still don't understand why everyone's so upset about this. Did anyone complain back when Amy or Robotnik/Eggman got a major redesign in "Sonic Adventure"? Most fans didn't mind the changes, and they've grown to love and identify with them.

If that's the case, why is Sally the one who everyone complains about? She's still the same character she's always been. It's not like they decided to make her a hedgehog or something else.

I remember some complaint about how Amy's redesign was done during "Sonic Adventure" (her wishing it so she could impress Sonic and be a freedom fighter), but not as bad as the complaints have been about Sally's. I am ok with this design, I did like Sally with long hair artistically; it was how she was protrayed during that time and what happened that I didn't like.

[LaserX5]

Here's something that should interest everybody: http://hershey-cat-c...ation-358389233

Get this: Shard, nor the Krudzu were even supposed to be in the latest comic issue. It was an in a sense an idea thrown together at the last minute.

Typical Archie Sonic...

[Uncle Ben]

no kidding

So the reason why this is happening is that Ken Penders decided he was gonna use characters that are technically not his in some (Very likely) god damn awful graphic novel (right?) so Archie sued him for using characters that TECHNICALLY belong to both Archie and Sega, agreed to make a settlement (which is on-going) and "a move in good measure" got rid of all of "Penders' characters" by giving them a crappy explanation that they were sent to a different dimension and created some bullish*t stuff to finish the arc. Now did i hit all the points there??

I really hope Archie gets the upper hand in settlement and Penders doesnt get much.

[RedAuthar]

Apparently Scott Shaw is now going to sue Archie for similar reasons....

This tells me Penders came out on top otherwise nobody would have wasted the effort a second time.