And then every game takes place in Mobotropolis, already taken over, as Sonic takes orders from the king (all three things fundamentally opposed to the games.) You have to turn the series into SataM entirely for her to work repeatedly, as I said. It's not a matter of "listening to a vocal minority of fans."
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Sally's Derobotized "new Look" (Shown At Nycc 2012
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Thats why you need good writers. The way i went at it on my fan fic was i combined both the SatAM elements with the game elements. If you take the time and think it out (which Sonic Team fails to do quite often) you can easily incorporate her into the games. You just need strategic planning and gotta iron out the kinks.
And to fundamentally alter both series to accommodate each other. I like the games without all of SataM bogging it down, and to get Sally "right" you'd have to change essentially everything just for her.
Lately, I've been working on a fanfiction that takes place in the SegaSonic universe with some SatAM and Fleetway elements to add to the story. It's mostly an adaption of the original game on the Genesis/Megadrive with some influence from Ian's "Genesis" storyarc.
Sally is included in the story, but I've altered her character/backstory to make her fit better in that universe. Instead of making her a princess leading a resistance, she's the daughter of a rich businessman and a news reporter for Central City News; that way, she can still be amongst the action. Her crew members include her cameraman, Rotor, and her loyal bodyguard, Antoine.
Other characters are also included in the story, such as Uncle Chuck (whose kidnapping leads Sonic on a quest against Dr. Eggman), Snively (Dr. Eggman's assistant and nephew), and Johnny Lightfoot and Porker Lewis (Sonic's childhood friends from South Island).
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For the past week, the overall fan base has been split down the middle about Sally's new redesign/rough concept draft redesign that was unveiled a little over a week ago at the New York comic con.
Many fans have expressed their like and dislike for the new design. 50% feel that it's about time she had a change. While the other 50% feels that the change/redesign is unnecessary and betrays who the character is.
50% of the fans are in agreement with Ian Flynn, when he said that the characters need to mesh with the current look of the Sonic franchise. The other 50% feels that the reason the redesign occurred is because of two reasons, one being the "soccer parents" (which Ian has denied had no influence in the decision for the change) and/or the Sega Corporation and their mandates.
However, despite the differences in the overall fan base, one question does seem to be asked from both sides. A question that makes a possible majority of the fan base wonder one thing. And that one thing is : Is/was this current Sonic story arc nothing more then an excuse to finally get Sally fully clothed?
The reason the fan base (at least the majority of it) asked this question, is because they want to know if this is what this entire story arc has been leading up to. They want to know that if the nearly a year and the current/October issues of both the main Sonic comic and the spinoff Sonic Universe comic, which for this month are looked at as nothing more then promotional advertisements/tie-ins for the Summer Olympic Games which already took place this past late July/early to mid August, as well as for the Mario and Sonic London Olympics videogame tie-in as well as the upcoming Sonic and Sega All-Stars Transformed racing game which is due out next month, that if their interruptions of this story arc with the exception of the back story for issue 242 of the main comic as well as the upcoming summer crossover which will be spread across the Sonic Universe comic, the main Sonic comic, and the Mega-Man comic, they want to know that with all that if the redesign is the reason for this long drawnout story arc.
Believe it or not, many fans believe that to be the case. And the reason being, is because some of them feel that if Ian, Archie and Sega wanted to give Sally a redesign, they could've easily done it in a short back story or a short front story in the main comic. As one fan said and I will use this as an example, Ian could have easily wrote a short story where Sally went with either Amy or Bunnie to go shop for clothes, have either girl tease Sally about her wearing the same outfit and being a Tomboy, show her said outfit that was revealed at the New York comic con, have it either one of them say she would never think about wearing something like this, only to have Sally prove them wrong by purchasing and wearing said outfit and deciding that maybe this is a good look for her to go with from now on. Now that's not exactly how this one fan put it, but if they read this, they will understand that it was close enough.
The point that the fan base that questions if this story arc was nothing more than an excuse to give Sally a new look, the point their trying to make and get a cross to others out there, is that this whole story arc could have been done, but not at the expense of doing what Ian did to Sally just to give her a redesign at the end.
Now my personal feelings on this, is if that is the case, then I do agree that it could have been done with a short story. However I am willing to give Ian the benefit of the doubt and as he said in the additions that he added to his DA Journal, I am going to take what he says for right now at face value. Because in all honesty, why go through all this, with the possibility that the upcoming summer crossover may have something to do with the story arc, due to the fact that the rumor going around is that it will/may involve the missing blue chaos emerald, why go through all that just to have the climax being Sally getting a redesign. To me it doesn't make sense.
The reason being that it doesn't make sense, is that one of the things he added when he made some additions to his DA Journal, he said that the redesign when it's finalized after a possible tweak here and there in the design, does it say how, when and at "what cost" Sally will be restored at. No it doesn't. And what caught my eye, was the at "what cost"part. Which got me thinking what if, what if he takes a page out of let's say the third and final season of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, the page I'm talking about is when they did the Alien Ranger story arc and had the Power Rangers themselves reduced/deaged to kids, but with their teenage personalities and memories intact. It got me wondering, if perhaps the "what cost" of Sally's return, that perhaps it could be that thanks to possibly the power of the chaos emeralds, if not the blue chaos Emerald that time reverses, with the exception that Sonic and his friends along with Sally regain their teenage personalities and memories, thus explaining perhaps the redesign for Sally and maybe some other characters.
You may read that, and say that's far-fetched even for Ian Flynn, but you got of think of it this way, this story arc is supposed to be Ian Flynn's masterpiece, the story arc that defines his time writing for Archie comics, so I wouldn't put it past Ian to do something of that sort or magnitude, nor should you.
As far as who is to blame for the decision for the redesign of Sally and possibly other characters in the comics, as mentioned before, Ian Flynn pretty much debunked the whole soccer parents theory, even though there are some that still feel they had a role in it, and that Ian is covering his tracks and their's, by saying they didn't have any involvement. Which if true leads to the second option.
That being of course, the Sega Corporation. And why Sega? Because at the end of the day, whether we like it or not, they do have the final say or at least one of the final says when it comes to the comic and the characters involved, whether those characters are game characters on nongame characters, they will at least have some of the final say in what takes place. And if they are the ones truly responsible for the change in Sally's design as well as possibly other future characters, then there is very little we can say about it.
Now don't get me wrong, apparently from what Ian said, Archie comics does at least listen to fan input and criticism, and from what he said recently in the additions to his journal, let's just say that rough concept teaser of Sally's new redesign, may or may not be the final draft/concept design for her going into 2013. Which means they may add some additional details to her final design.
When it comes to this current story arc, from the summaries and video reviews and typed reviews I have read and seen, I can say this. Some like to say, that Ian Flynn is trying to make this current story arc into another version of his web comic Other – M. Which if was/is the case, from what some have described seeing as this story arc has progressed, perhaps may have a point. But giving Ian Flynn the benefit of the doubt, what I see in my honest opinion, is someone that had to get an epic story off their chest. And in my honest opinion, perhaps he wanted to do something in the style of his web comic, which he did kind of achieve with the Silver story arc. But wanted to do more so in the main comic. Thus is the reason for the "Mecha-Sally/World Tour II/Death Egg MK II" story arc that is currently being released, written and by fans standards read and criticized/enjoyed, because Ian, (in my humble opinion) had to get an/this epic story off his chest, out of his mind, checked off his list and by the start and in the middle of next year, hopefully done and over with.
That, my fellow Sonic fans, in my humble/honest opinion is the reason why this story arc was started and is currently going today, because I feel, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he just had to get this story arc out of the way, whether we like it or not.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I know it was long, but hey would you rather read this or watch a 22 min. plus video on YouTube where I talked about the same thing, I think the choice is easy to make, don't you?
God Bless
Tuesday, October 23, 2012
time : 12:18 PM Pacific.
Many fans have expressed their like and dislike for the new design. 50% feel that it's about time she had a change. While the other 50% feels that the change/redesign is unnecessary and betrays who the character is.
50% of the fans are in agreement with Ian Flynn, when he said that the characters need to mesh with the current look of the Sonic franchise. The other 50% feels that the reason the redesign occurred is because of two reasons, one being the "soccer parents" (which Ian has denied had no influence in the decision for the change) and/or the Sega Corporation and their mandates.
However, despite the differences in the overall fan base, one question does seem to be asked from both sides. A question that makes a possible majority of the fan base wonder one thing. And that one thing is : Is/was this current Sonic story arc nothing more then an excuse to finally get Sally fully clothed?
The reason the fan base (at least the majority of it) asked this question, is because they want to know if this is what this entire story arc has been leading up to. They want to know that if the nearly a year and the current/October issues of both the main Sonic comic and the spinoff Sonic Universe comic, which for this month are looked at as nothing more then promotional advertisements/tie-ins for the Summer Olympic Games which already took place this past late July/early to mid August, as well as for the Mario and Sonic London Olympics videogame tie-in as well as the upcoming Sonic and Sega All-Stars Transformed racing game which is due out next month, that if their interruptions of this story arc with the exception of the back story for issue 242 of the main comic as well as the upcoming summer crossover which will be spread across the Sonic Universe comic, the main Sonic comic, and the Mega-Man comic, they want to know that with all that if the redesign is the reason for this long drawnout story arc.
Believe it or not, many fans believe that to be the case. And the reason being, is because some of them feel that if Ian, Archie and Sega wanted to give Sally a redesign, they could've easily done it in a short back story or a short front story in the main comic. As one fan said and I will use this as an example, Ian could have easily wrote a short story where Sally went with either Amy or Bunnie to go shop for clothes, have either girl tease Sally about her wearing the same outfit and being a Tomboy, show her said outfit that was revealed at the New York comic con, have it either one of them say she would never think about wearing something like this, only to have Sally prove them wrong by purchasing and wearing said outfit and deciding that maybe this is a good look for her to go with from now on. Now that's not exactly how this one fan put it, but if they read this, they will understand that it was close enough.
The point that the fan base that questions if this story arc was nothing more than an excuse to give Sally a new look, the point their trying to make and get a cross to others out there, is that this whole story arc could have been done, but not at the expense of doing what Ian did to Sally just to give her a redesign at the end.
Now my personal feelings on this, is if that is the case, then I do agree that it could have been done with a short story. However I am willing to give Ian the benefit of the doubt and as he said in the additions that he added to his DA Journal, I am going to take what he says for right now at face value. Because in all honesty, why go through all this, with the possibility that the upcoming summer crossover may have something to do with the story arc, due to the fact that the rumor going around is that it will/may involve the missing blue chaos emerald, why go through all that just to have the climax being Sally getting a redesign. To me it doesn't make sense.
The reason being that it doesn't make sense, is that one of the things he added when he made some additions to his DA Journal, he said that the redesign when it's finalized after a possible tweak here and there in the design, does it say how, when and at "what cost" Sally will be restored at. No it doesn't. And what caught my eye, was the at "what cost"part. Which got me thinking what if, what if he takes a page out of let's say the third and final season of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, the page I'm talking about is when they did the Alien Ranger story arc and had the Power Rangers themselves reduced/deaged to kids, but with their teenage personalities and memories intact. It got me wondering, if perhaps the "what cost" of Sally's return, that perhaps it could be that thanks to possibly the power of the chaos emeralds, if not the blue chaos Emerald that time reverses, with the exception that Sonic and his friends along with Sally regain their teenage personalities and memories, thus explaining perhaps the redesign for Sally and maybe some other characters.
You may read that, and say that's far-fetched even for Ian Flynn, but you got of think of it this way, this story arc is supposed to be Ian Flynn's masterpiece, the story arc that defines his time writing for Archie comics, so I wouldn't put it past Ian to do something of that sort or magnitude, nor should you.
As far as who is to blame for the decision for the redesign of Sally and possibly other characters in the comics, as mentioned before, Ian Flynn pretty much debunked the whole soccer parents theory, even though there are some that still feel they had a role in it, and that Ian is covering his tracks and their's, by saying they didn't have any involvement. Which if true leads to the second option.
That being of course, the Sega Corporation. And why Sega? Because at the end of the day, whether we like it or not, they do have the final say or at least one of the final says when it comes to the comic and the characters involved, whether those characters are game characters on nongame characters, they will at least have some of the final say in what takes place. And if they are the ones truly responsible for the change in Sally's design as well as possibly other future characters, then there is very little we can say about it.
Now don't get me wrong, apparently from what Ian said, Archie comics does at least listen to fan input and criticism, and from what he said recently in the additions to his journal, let's just say that rough concept teaser of Sally's new redesign, may or may not be the final draft/concept design for her going into 2013. Which means they may add some additional details to her final design.
When it comes to this current story arc, from the summaries and video reviews and typed reviews I have read and seen, I can say this. Some like to say, that Ian Flynn is trying to make this current story arc into another version of his web comic Other – M. Which if was/is the case, from what some have described seeing as this story arc has progressed, perhaps may have a point. But giving Ian Flynn the benefit of the doubt, what I see in my honest opinion, is someone that had to get an epic story off their chest. And in my honest opinion, perhaps he wanted to do something in the style of his web comic, which he did kind of achieve with the Silver story arc. But wanted to do more so in the main comic. Thus is the reason for the "Mecha-Sally/World Tour II/Death Egg MK II" story arc that is currently being released, written and by fans standards read and criticized/enjoyed, because Ian, (in my humble opinion) had to get an/this epic story off his chest, out of his mind, checked off his list and by the start and in the middle of next year, hopefully done and over with.
That, my fellow Sonic fans, in my humble/honest opinion is the reason why this story arc was started and is currently going today, because I feel, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he just had to get this story arc out of the way, whether we like it or not.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I know it was long, but hey would you rather read this or watch a 22 min. plus video on YouTube where I talked about the same thing, I think the choice is easy to make, don't you?
God Bless
Tuesday, October 23, 2012
time : 12:18 PM Pacific.
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You know...a while back I sent something to Matthew Patrick entitled "The Dress Code of Sonic the Hedgehog" which explained the somewhat inconsistant use of clothing amongst the Mobians. Some of the main points included...
* The four main uses of clothing: Covering, fashion, protection, ceremony/tradition
* Species details to explain why clothing was/wasn't needed to cover up
* Examples in Japanese fashion trends, including depictions of teens in anime
* Use of shoes in relation to bipeds vs. quadrapeds
* The uniforms of Robotnik, Antoine, King Acorn
Something else to think about SatAM and Archie-wise.
Sonic has Gloves and Sneakers
Tails has Gloves and Sneakers
Antoine has boots and a Jacket/coat/uniform thing.
Sally has boots and a vest
Rotor has a Hat and a belt.
Bunnie........Bunnie has Robotic legs. She's the exception.
They all wear two clothing pieces/sets/whatever....the point is there are two on each.
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I don't really care. I'm just glad she's back. When I first read 230, I went through a Nostalgia Critic-style fit.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:46 PM
Thats why you need good writers. The way i went at it on my fan fic was i combined both the SatAM elements with the game elements. If you take the time and think it out (which Sonic Team fails to do quite often) you can easily incorporate her into the games. You just need strategic planning and gotta iron out the kinks.
And to fundamentally alter both series to accommodate each other. I like the games without all of SataM bogging it down, and to get Sally "right" you'd have to change essentially everything just for her.
Lately, I've been working on a fanfiction that takes place in the SegaSonic universe with some SatAM and Fleetway elements to add to the story. It's mostly an adaption of the original game on the Genesis/Megadrive with some influence from Ian's "Genesis" storyarc.
Sally is included in the story, but I've altered her character/backstory to make her fit better in that universe. Instead of making her a princess leading a resistance, she's the daughter of a rich businessman and a news reporter for Central City News; that way, she can still be amongst the action. Her crew members include her cameraman, Rotor, and her loyal bodyguard, Antoine.
Other characters are also included in the story, such as Uncle Chuck (whose kidnapping leads Sonic on a quest against Dr. Eggman), Snively (Dr. Eggman's assistant and nephew), and Johnny Lightfoot and Porker Lewis (Sonic's childhood friends from South Island).
ehh, i get what your saying but that just doesnt sound right at all. Why not just have Sonic as a former freedom fighter, like he got into a disagreement with the King and he left to fight Eggman on his own. Just have Mobotropolis smaller and Sally and the rest of the FF fight Eggman but on a smaller scale. that way she still the same just minor
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:31 PM
I've always had ideas of combing elements of the games to match the SatAM world. Sonic starts out living with his friend Tails on his little island from the OVA, cut off from the world and only runs into robots when he enters green hill zone. Marble Garden would be the remains of Mobotropolis, where Sally would often do missions of salvaging. Scrap Brain Zone would be a outpost station made as Robotnik runs Robotropolis. Swat Bots would keep away from the great forest because of the entire place being booby trapped and only a few safe routes made for the FF.
Sonic's past would be touched upon on why he has no parents and wouldn't have any recollection of the coup. Robotnik made him in a lab as an experiment. Yeah I know...kind of a clich'e and they did that with Shadow the Hedgehog. But it would sort of answer questions in correlation to the games and why he's such a freak of nature.
Sonic's past would be touched upon on why he has no parents and wouldn't have any recollection of the coup. Robotnik made him in a lab as an experiment. Yeah I know...kind of a clich'e and they did that with Shadow the Hedgehog. But it would sort of answer questions in correlation to the games and why he's such a freak of nature.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:33 PM
I did too.
Heck, games are much funner that way.
Heck, games are much funner that way.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:41 PM
i guess that makes sense....
Man we went off topic a bit
Man we went off topic a bit
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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i guess that makes sense....
Man we went off topic a bit
yes please stay on topic
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i guess that makes sense....
Man we went off topic a bit
yes please stay on topic
Maybe because it's TL;DR? Or perhaps we've read it somewhere else where you put it up? Or maybe theres some other reason nobody responded to it.
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I totally agree with the Cap'n there.I'm perfectly content for Sal and the others to not be horribly mutilated in an attempt to shove them into the game continuity, especially considering that the writers on Sonic Team are so terrible that they're lucky if they come up with something mediocre using their own characters.
*nods*My point is that clothing should not make the character. It can compliment the character, but simply giving them a new wardrobe makeover is a cheap asspull to make the character more interesting.
Interesting way t' make your point, tho'. I laughed so hard...
Well, let's just say I was -very- glad that I wasn't drinking anything when I first saw that pic cuz if I had, my monitor would have gotten a shower.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:54 PM
but the new design is still good, though it is a slight stab in the back for us
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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Who's "us"? What makes this a stab in the back when in point of fact it's nothing a whole lot of Fans didn't already suspect was coming and was in fact revealed to us ahead of time specifically so we'd have time to make sense of it now rather than be shocked by it when it actually shows up in the Book?
Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to agree with your general sentiment-it's alright as a design, but this feels like lackluster storytelling-but that whole Cloak and Daggers mentality so many Fans assign to the way writers of their favorite franchises seemingly operate always annoys me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to agree with your general sentiment-it's alright as a design, but this feels like lackluster storytelling-but that whole Cloak and Daggers mentality so many Fans assign to the way writers of their favorite franchises seemingly operate always annoys me.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:27 PM
Who's "us"? What makes this a stab in the back when in point of fact it's nothing a whole lot of Fans didn't already suspect was coming and was in fact revealed to us ahead of time specifically so we'd have time to make sense of it now rather than be shocked by it when it actually shows up in the Book?
Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to agree with your general sentiment-it's alright as a design, but this feels like lackluster storytelling-but that whole Cloak and Daggers mentality so many Fans assign to the way writers of their favorite franchises seemingly operate always annoys me.
SatAM community. I just feel that getting rid of her "trademark" blue vest is a stab in the back for us. Thats just me and i agree with you on the second paragraph
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:06 PM
never knew that...
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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...she...still has a blue vest, though. It's just zipped up. As it has been a few times in the actual comic prior to the Redesign.SatAM community. I just feel that getting rid of her "trademark" blue vest is a stab in the back for us. Thats just me and i agree with you on the second paragraph
And again, stabbing in the back implies both secrecy and intent, neither of which fits this scenario.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:26 PM
I know that now... still its just something i need to get used to
Some say that he knows 2 facts about ducks, and both of them are wrong. And that 61 years ago he accidentally introduced Her Majesty The Queen to a Greek racialist. All we know is, I'm going to the tower now to have my head cut off, and he is called The Stig.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:46 PM
As do we all.
Again, I'm not unsympathetic to your frustrations; there's a real extent to which I share them. I just think it's always for the best we keep these discussions grounded, rather than let them become about supposedly-sinister behind-the-scenes dealings we can't really prove or observe.
Again, I'm not unsympathetic to your frustrations; there's a real extent to which I share them. I just think it's always for the best we keep these discussions grounded, rather than let them become about supposedly-sinister behind-the-scenes dealings we can't really prove or observe.
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"To grasp happiness!"
"ERUPTING GOD FINGER!!! SEKI..."
"HA!"
"LOVE LOVE TENKYOKEN!!!"
-Domon Kasshu and Rain Mikamura, G-Gundam
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