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[Uncle Ben]

Ok so i have been looking at some of the boards and i see people saying how they need to change how some of the characters are (personality, age, roll etc.) So who do you think needs to be changed, rebooted, or (in extreme cases) killed off. I personally wanna see Amy gone or at least changed significantly and Tails becoming more of a hero's roll.

[RedAuthar]

I see the Tails in the Hero roll scenario a lot. Sure, like Luigi and most other Sidekick characters, we want him to have his moment in the limelight....but at the same time I think part of the reason we like him is because he's the sidekick. Like we all feel we are. Not the main character but the overlooked sidekick.

Now that's just my opinion.

Also as much as I like to make fun of Amy, I think she just needs more dimension rather then gotten rid of. Why don't like her is all she seems to do is like Sonic. Perhaps if she had other personality we'd be okay with her.


Now back on topic,
I'd like Robotnik to become more competent again. It seems to me SEGA is making him too comedic relief. Same with Nintendo and Bowser. I don't really need a new villain every game and it's hard to find Eggman and Bowser threats if in some games they're too stupid to tie their shoes.

[LaserX5]

Ok so i have been looking at some of the boards and i see people saying how they need to change how some of the characters are (personality, age, roll etc.) So who do you think needs to be changed, rebooted, or (in extreme cases) killed off. I personally wanna see Amy gone or at least changed significantly and Tails becoming more of a hero's roll.

What would need to be changed IMHO would take too long for me to write, so I'll try to keep it short and sweet.

1. Sonic needs to be changed back to what he was originally, a hero who liked to showoff at times, but has a heart of gold and really cared about his friends. That is two things that are painfully missing from him now.

2. Robotnik, or Eggman in most cases needs to be more of a consistent villain, whether that be extremely psychotic, goofy, etc... he needs to stay one of the other. To jump back and forth, or even act blantantly incompetent at times hurts his credibility as Sonic's main enemy.

3. Amy's affectation with Sonic needs to be seriously toned down. I don't mind if she has a crush on him or even wants to win him over, but I really am fed up with her being psychotic fangirl personality or being shown as nothing more than an attack dog.

4. As for Tails, I have to disagree about him getting more of a hero's role. I kinda like the idea of him being the tech guy, overseeing things from a distance.

5. Portray Sally properly. I really am disgusted by how many writers write her so OOC so much. It's almost nauseating I hate to say. It's like they don't care about trying to keep her complex personality in character. It's either she's portrayed as someone who's very arrogant and pompous, someone who's shown to be weak and whiny, or even in Ian's case, shown to be extremely boring and reduced to nothing more than an E.F Hutton motivational speaker.

Seriously, does anyone in the canon business care at all about writing Sally properly? Or is she just cannon fodder to them now, since that appears to be her role since 225.

[Uncle Ben]

ok killing amy off was a little extreme but it was an example. But yes Amy needs to be toned down a bit and give her other interests and Eggman needs to be like more like he was in SA1 & 2 more of the "I will blow up the planet if you dont give into my demands" kinda guy

[LaserX5]

ok killing Amy off was a little extreme but it was an example.

Understandable.

I too at times have pondered that possibility, but it isn't Amy's fault she's poorly portrayed. That's Sega's, Paul Kaminski and Ian Flynn's fault. It's their work that we see Amy through.

All she needs is a better staff that knows how to utilize her correctly.

[Uncle Ben]

Like us perhaps??

[LogiTeeka]

Personally, I think people give Sally too much credit. She's a good character and all, but she's currently the bane of the series. During their war with Robotnik Prime, her position as leader of the Freedom Fighters was what made her important and relatable. Nowadays, with the threat of tyrannical oppression gone, her presence in the series no longer seems needed.

Whenever she's around, she takes the spotlight away from the main characters and often holds the series back from doing anything new and different. Her position also puts too much gravity on the series' whimsical tone. And the fact that she's always correct in every decision she makes makes her look way too strong and special. It's no wonder why haters call her a Mary-Sue.

The main reason why she's still kept around is simply because of her fanbase. Like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sally had a good role in her prime days; but once again, she's another character that overstayed her welcome. In other words, her time of departure has been delayed due to fan service.

[RedAuthar]

No offense but I view that as saying Mary Jane has over stayed her welcome in the Spider-Man comics.

There is the one note that she is the main love interest of Sonic, making her important to him. And if the comic is 90 percent from Sonic's point of view, it would seem she's highly important.

However I do agree she needs to make more mistakes, and let some other characters shine for a while. Perhaps that was the goal in robotizing her....to allow other characters to shine while not exactly killing her off.

[Uncle Ben]

Yea. Archie would have had problems if they killed Sally. You know one character that needs to be developed better is Silver

[RedAuthar]

Or you could ignore him. He's not exactly needed....we've already got Amy, Sonic, Rob O, Scourge, Shadow, Metal, The good Metal Sonic, and Sonic's family. Beyond that he's a game character they don't really need to put him in there. We got a lot of hedgehogs.

[Uncle Ben]

I ment in-game Silver, not Archie's Silver. and who the crap is Rob O

[RedAuthar]

Rob O' the Hedge is the cousin of Amy Rose and the leader of the former Crazy Kritter Freedom Fighters. Residing in Deerwood Forest outside of the former Kingdom of Mercia, Rob spent much of his adolescence combating the rule of Dr. Ivo Robotnik's sub-boss, the High Sheriff. As well as being a Freedom Fighter, Rob acted as a sentry for the city of Albion. When Knuckles the Echidna came to Mercia with the Lost Tribe of Echidnas, Rob O' the Hedge assisted Knuckles in freeing them from the High Sheriff's forces. Following this, Rob helped them locate Albion. After the death of Robotnik and the High Sheriff regaining his free will, Rob acted as Albion's eyes and ears to the events going on in the rest of the world. His role as Albion's sentry ended after it was destroyed by the Eggman Empire.

[Uncle Ben]

ohh ok. i need to get back in the Archie circle so i know whats going on

[RedAuthar]

Dude...Rob O has been in it since the issues were in the double digits.

[LaserX5]

Like us perhaps??

Yea, exactly.

I can't see us portraying Amy any worse than Sega does.

Personally, I think people give Sally too much credit. She's a good character and all, but she's currently the bane of the series. During their war with Robotnik Prime, her position as leader of the Freedom Fighters was what made her important and relatable. Nowadays, with the threat of tyrannical oppression gone, her presence in the series no longer seems needed.

Whenever she's around, she takes the spotlight away from the main characters and often holds the series back from doing anything new and different. Her position also puts too much gravity on the series' whimsical tone. And the fact that she's always correct in every decision she makes makes her look way too strong and special. It's no wonder why haters call her a Mary-Sue.

The main reason why she's still kept around is simply because of her fanbase. Like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sally had a good role in her prime days; but once again, she's another character that overstayed her welcome. In other words, her time of departure has been delayed due to fan service.

Wow...

You know, I don't mean to sound harsh here, but you almost sound like someone who's in favor of Sally to be axed off because she's been reduced to nothing more than a Mary-Sue filler female for Sonic to flirt with.

Sally has not overstayed her welcome, no more than Bunnie and Antoine have overstayed theirs. What's happened to her in my estimation is an incompetent staff called Archie Comics who either don't know how to writer her correctly, don't give a crap about her as a character, or even both. This horrible portrayal sadly been going on since the opening issue I hate to admit.

DIC ironically had the opposite problem in this regard. They cared too much for Sally and made her some kind of super Princess, completely overshadowing the other main characters. And while I like Sally alot and want her to shine, I will admit I don't want her to be so good the others are considered inferior to her.

The cast needs balance, where each one compliments the team.

The problem here is not Sally, it's those who are in charge of the comic who have intentionally sabotaged her character to be nothing of value to the series in general. Is it any wonder then she has so many haters among the fanbase, even having the comic try and kill her off 3 times?

However I do agree she needs to make more mistakes, and let some other characters shine for a while.

I have no beef with this idea because I admit Sally does get too much spotlight in the comic and it would be nice to see some others have a turn, but it was horribly executed to say the least. The more I look at it, the more I felt it was nothing more than screwing Sally in order to favor Amy.

Seriously, could they not have at least left Sally with some dignity before letting Amy get this so called role expansion of hers? Plus, has she even done anything of value with it?

Yea, I know this story of Ian's isn't over and could perhaps end well, and I'm using those words in the loosest sense by the way, but I am nearly convinced it was a huge waste. Mecha Sally is a robotic joke. Naugus is a lame flip-flop ruler, first exiling Nicole for good, now he wants her back... go figure that one.

Even the Team Fighters' so called conflicts with Eggman and his robots seem pointless. Most of the time, they hardly get any serious resistance from the mad doctor anymore. It's just, see a robot, fight it, boom... destroyed.

Unless it's Mecha Sally of course. Then it's a pathetic game of cat and mouse again and again.

[RedAuthar]

Agreed.

[Uncle Ben]

Agreed

[LogiTeeka]

Personally, I think people give Sally too much credit. She's a good character and all, but she's currently the bane of the series. During their war with Robotnik Prime, her position as leader of the Freedom Fighters was what made her important and relatable. Nowadays, with the threat of tyrannical oppression gone, her presence in the series no longer seems needed.

Whenever she's around, she takes the spotlight away from the main characters and often holds the series back from doing anything new and different. Her position also puts too much gravity on the series' whimsical tone. And the fact that she's always correct in every decision she makes makes her look way too strong and special. It's no wonder why haters call her a Mary-Sue.

The main reason why she's still kept around is simply because of her fanbase. Like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sally had a good role in her prime days; but once again, she's another character that overstayed her welcome. In other words, her time of departure has been delayed due to fan service.

Wow...

You know, I don't mean to sound harsh here, but you almost sound like someone who's in favor of Sally to be axed off because she's been reduced to nothing more than a Mary-Sue filler female for Sonic to flirt with.

Sally has not overstayed her welcome, no more than Bunnie and Antoine have overstayed theirs. What's happened to her in my estimation is an incompetent staff called Archie Comics who either don't know how to writer her correctly, don't give a crap about her as a character, or even both. This horrible portrayal sadly been going on since the opening issue I hate to admit.

DIC ironically had the opposite problem in this regard. They cared too much for Sally and made her some kind of super Princess, completely overshadowing the other main characters. And while I like Sally alot and want her to shine, I will admit I don't want her to be so good the others are considered inferior to her.

The cast needs balance, where each one compliments the team.

The problem here is not Sally, it's those who are in charge of the comic who have intentionally sabotaged her character to be nothing of value to the series in general. Is it any wonder then she has so many haters among the fanbase, even having the comic try and kill her off 3 times?

Let me rephrase that.

I don't hate Sally, I think she's a really good character. She's unique in both personality and design, which makes her iconic in the series.

But when I said that she's no longer needed, I didn't mean "axed off" or anything like that. What I meant to say was "put aside" or "have her role toned down". Yes, she's the perfect girl for Sonic and she currently has a lot on her shoulders as royalty, but it feels like the series puts more focuses on her than Sonic or any other character.

Here, I think this picture explains my point:



I'm not saying Sally should be kicked out of the series, just toned down so that other characters can get some spotlight.

[Uncle Ben]

was rotor ever a major character. he seems like a supporting character at best

[RedAuthar]

I don't know, Rotor has gotten a lot of panel time lately. The thing is when the Freedom Fighters were made, Sonic really didn't have a supporting cast. Now he does.

Also when the series was created Sally was technically the second main character or like I call her "player 2". Then she got toned down because the freedom fighters became part of the mobian forces in total. Recently she's got a lot of panel time because they were trying to relive her original importance. Now they're focusing on the Game characters again.