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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 LaserX5

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

Yeah but that's the thing, you don't know them. You don't know any of the creative team behind that comic and you're just going by what you think and what you believe of them. You are just pissy at them over this current story arc and what they have done to Sally.


That's a big part of it, yes, but it's not just that. I'm seeing a pattern now that's really getting disturbing to me.

Do you really think that they'd hold this character with such small regard if they didn't keep her around. They can do whatever they want with the character and if they hate and despise her like you think they do, they'd of gotten rid of her ages ago. Flynn has been writing this series for the best part of six years, going on seven now and you really think he has waited all this time to get rid of the character now? Hell, he planned on getting rid of Mina because he was open about how much he didn't like that character and yet she's still around. And it was Ian who gave Sally a purpose for being in the comic again after how well Penders and Bollers botched things up starting with #134.


Need I remind you Ian himself said on his own forum the only reason he even bothered to restore Sally from her 134 farce was because he knew the best way to make her fall that dramatic was to have her back to normal, including getting her back together with Sonic?

I'm paraphrasing here a bit, but that's exactly what he was driving at when I read his explanation.

So, tell me honestly... Do you really think that sounds like someone who's a fan of hers? He built her up just to tear her down even worse than EndGame?

I seriously doubt it.

Don't pull the whole "well the fans would stop reading and sales would drop!" excuse because in the world of comics characters die all the time and the books keep selling. They could of killed her off, seen how things went and if by some chance that sales did drop, they could come up with an excuse to bring her back because in comics, if you die, you'll probably be back in less then a year.


That's precisely why I'm starting to hate comic books more and more, because of the fact they cheapen the dramatic death scenes again and again.

What's the point if you're just going to undo it 6 months, or even 3 years later?

And hell, they still continue to include Sally on the covers for the upcoming graphic novels with new artwork. Let's see... On the cover of Best of Sonic the Hedgehog comics Volume 1 we have Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Silver, Metal Sonic annnnnd Sally. She's the only comic character on there with the rest being game characters. They could of easily of put Amy or someone else in place, but no they put Sally there. She's also on the cover of the upcoming Super Sonic Digest #1. Does this mean they love the character? No. But if they hate her so much, why go to the trouble of including her in there when they could put another game character on there to appeal to the much wider video game fanbase?


That could be done for nothing more than trying to appeal to the large Sally fanbase, but I admit that's a guess on my part at best.

Yeah, the current arc has pissed off a lot of people, you're not alone in that regard, but there are people who are fans of Sally that have been enjoying it. I know a couple of Sally fanboys who are loving this arc and are eager to see how it all comes to it's end.


Well, that all depends on how this so called climax wraps up. There's a chance it will tick off even them if my suspicions are confirmed, but we'll have to wait and see.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but seriously, constantly hearing you complain about how much Archie/Sega/Flynn hate Sally and the other SatAM cast members with no real evidence to back this claim up is has gotten stale.


No real evidence? You mean like when one of the lead staff members of the book arrogantly said last year they could kill off the whole Satam cast and the book would still go on?

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Anyway, fine, I apologize if I appear to complain too much about the current story. I'm just really getting fed up with the, "Well, we can't save Mecha Sally because... (fill in blank)" excuse.

Seriously, it's getting more blatantly obvious every issue they are padding this thing to 250 because of the fact it's a big milestone number. This thing ending by 241 seems very unlikely the more I look at it.

But, that's just my opinion. As I said before, we'll have to wait to see.

And again: 250 is explicitly part of the Sonic/Mega Man story. They're not saving Metal Sally for it.


You don't know that for sure. Do you have any evidence to confirm that?
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:01 PM

No real evidence? You mean like when one of the lead staff members of the book arrogantly said last year they could kill off the whole Satam cast and the book would still go on?

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Technically that doesn't say Ian hates the SatAM characters.


And again: 250 is explicitly part of the Sonic/Mega Man story. They're not saving Metal Sally for it.


You don't know that for sure. Do you have any evidence to confirm that?

Agreed. Having the Mega Man event fix Sally would bring in readers...It could totally happen.


Need I remind you Ian himself said on his own forum the only reason he even bothered to restore Sally from her 134 farce was because he knew the best way to make her fall that dramatic was to have her back to normal, including getting her back together with Sonic?

I'm paraphrasing here a bit, but that's exactly what he was driving at when I read his explanation.

So, tell me honestly... Do you really think that sounds like someone who's a fan of hers? He built her up just to tear her down even worse than EndGame?

I seriously doubt it.

It's a comic book character. They die all the time. If he really hated her wouldn't he have gotten rid of her without making her a hero with her sacrifice?

Personally I think Endgame's death was worse because she didn't really accomplish anything in it. All that happened was she died.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

Technically that doesn't say Ian hates the SatAM characters.


Ok, that is indeed technically true.

Although, I don't seem him giving them alot of endorsement when he speaks about Satam either.


Agreed. Having the Mega Man event fix Sally would bring in readers...It could totally happen.


I'm just about expecting that because this would be in a sense Ian's way of trying to top EndGame, have Sonic and Megaman work together to restore Sally to normal.

It's a comic book character. They die all the time. If he really hated her wouldn't he have gotten rid of her without making her a hero with her sacrifice?


Well, that is a good point I'll admit. Plus, I read on his DA journal that he wouldn't have put Sally in Genesis if he hated her, even saying he would have killed her off and never mentioned her again.

Although, the irony is, that is exactly what he did with Sally in Other-M.

Personally I think Endgame's death was worse because she didn't really accomplish anything in it. All that happened was she died.


Yea, the more I look at it, the more I think Sally should have been critically injured rather than died, and then brought back to life. It would have added another element to the story that would caught the readers' attention.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

Although, the irony is, that is exactly what he did with Sally in Other-M.

.......now I see where it comes from. Other M did a lot of hating on SatAM.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:51 PM

Paul Kaminski stated outright that Mega Man and Sonic's crossover will run through Sonic 250, and that plans were worked around to fit it. Ian stated that Metal Sally will come to a climax at 241 during Comic-Con. The statement that the SataM characters could be killed off was making a point that Sega had absolutely no mandates on them, and thus they were in not because of requirements but because people, including the staff, liked them: he's actually stated several times that they're an incredibly important part of the book.

Even that "build up to fall" quote is terribly mangled to put it lightly. This is all anger over speculation that's already been proven false. Rage over things that are blatantly not true in the first place.

Not that that's anything NEW.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 08:38 PM

Ian stated that Metal Sally will come to a climax at 241 during Comic-Con.


Ian also said last October during a press conference after Sally's fate was revealed that things wouldn't be resolved until the next milestone, which is obviously 250. So, what happened? Was he not being honest there or did he have to change his plans?

The statement that the SataM characters could be killed off was making a point that Sega had absolutely no mandates on them, and thus they were in not because of requirements but because people, including the staff, liked them: he's actually stated several times that they're an incredibly important part of the book.


Well, the way the latest story is going, it sure doesn't look that way to me.

Even that "build up to fall" quote is terribly mangled to put it lightly. This is all anger over speculation that's already been proven false. Rage over things that are blatantly not true in the first place.


Like I said, it was a bit of a paraphrase, but I'll pull the link to show Ian's exact words on this if you don't believe that is just about the way he described it. He even mentioned each step of Sally's rebuild and fall process from 172-230.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:07 PM

When Sally was taken out of the field she became kinda...lame. She was more helpless. So her loss wouldn't have had such an impact.
Any Comic Editor worth his salt would want her more popular again before doing it.
Ian chose to actually throw her into the limelight and then robotize her.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:28 PM

When Sally was taken out of the field she became kinda...lame. She was more helpless. So her loss wouldn't have had such an impact.
Any Comic Editor worth his salt would want her more popular again before doing it.
Ian chose to actually throw her into the limelight and then robotize her.


Yea, no argument there the way you described it.

It's just, I don't know... the way Ian wrote that post, it almost felt like to me he did it for nothing more than an over the top dramatic moment, not because he actually cared about her as a character or anything.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:10 PM

Personally from Reading Other M I don't think he cared. I think he doesn't care not hates.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

Personally from Reading Other M I don't think he cared. I think he doesn't care not hates.


Yea, that's probably it I hate to say.

Proabably even the main reason he gave that role to her in Other-M.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 11:06 PM

There's more to resolve than Metal Sally; the comic has a whole lot going on at the moment. Other things would be resolved at 250 (and now will be resolved later due to the MM/Sonic crossover.)

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:10 AM

They could always cure her mind at 241 and then cure her robotization at 250

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:57 AM

They could always cure her mind at 241 and then cure her roboticization at 250


If that's what's what they had in mind about the Mecha Sally climax, then I guess that is a very likely scenario.

The deroboticization however I'm expecting to stay to at least 250, if that.
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 04:57 AM

Ian also said last October during a press conference after Sally's fate was revealed that things wouldn't be resolved until the next milestone, which is obviously 250. So, what happened? Was he not being honest there or did he have to change his plans?


Yeah, he said that last October. SDCC was this July, a good 8 months apart. Plans change all the time and it's highly likely that when Archie was given the go ahead by both Sega and Capcom to do this crossover, they saw it as something huge that needs to be seen as such. And with Sonic's upcoming milestone of #250 coinciding around the same time as Megaman's milestone of #25, what better way to show it?

It's probable that Ian wanted this arc to run longer and go right up to #250, but Ian isn't in charge of the comic, much like the Iron Dominion arc, Flynn wanted that to last longer then it did but he was forced to bring it to an early end. And while the same seems to be happening to the Mecha Sally arc, this current arc has run a hell of a lot longer then the Iron Dominion arc did. It more or less started with #225 (#226-#229 are pretty much filler so don't count) and then carried on in #230-#241. Plus include the 4 issue Universe arc Scrambled and that's effective 17 issues worth to this one arc which for a comic is a loooooong time.

But Mecha-Sally is only one part of this arc, Robotnik/Eggman/Whatever-his-name-is is still there and there's Nagnus too. We'll have to wait and see how things turn out.

Sally will possibly still retain her robotic form up until #250 and that could lead to something interesting. Like how she deals with her current form and how the people treat her, maybe even mirror what happened when the people turned on Nicole and how she had her friends there to support her, same could happen here.

The statement that the SataM characters could be killed off was making a point that Sega had absolutely no mandates on them, and thus they were in not because of requirements but because people, including the staff, liked them: he's actually stated several times that they're an incredibly important part of the book.


Well, the way the latest story is going, it sure doesn't look that way to me.


I think the point of this arc has been to put the heroes at their lowest point. Since he can't do that with the Sega characters there's only one other way to do it. Doesn't mean Flynn and the rest hate the characters since they could of done a lot worse to them. Could of killed each and everyone of them off in one go. But they didn't.
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:31 AM

It's probable that Ian wanted this arc to run longer and go right up to #250, but Ian isn't in charge of the comic, much like the Iron Dominion arc, Flynn wanted that to last longer then it did but he was forced to bring it to an early end. And while the same seems to be happening to the Mecha Sally arc, this current arc has run a hell of a lot longer then the Iron Dominion arc did. It more or less started with #225 (#226-#229 are pretty much filler so don't count) and then carried on in #230-#241. Plus include the 4 issue Universe arc Scrambled and that's effective 17 issues worth to this one arc which for a comic is a loooooong time.


You're telling me that's one long arc. Way too long.


Sally will possibly still retain her robotic form up until #250 and that could lead to something interesting. Like how she deals with her current form and how the people treat her, maybe even mirror what happened when the people turned on Nicole and how she had her friends there to support her, same could happen here.


I'm just about expecting that since I can't imagine they'll be thrilled by her new form when, or should I say, IF she gets her mind back.

I think the point of this arc has been to put the heroes at their lowest point. Since he can't do that with the Sega characters there's only one other way to do it. Doesn't mean Flynn and the rest hate the characters since they could of done a lot worse to them. Could of killed each and everyone of them off in one go. But they didn't.


Ok, fine, you make a good point there. Although, I was mainly referring to the fact the comic appears to be way more Pro-SegaSonic than ever before.

Like the team fighters situation for example? When one fan asked Ian if the Freedom Fighter team would ever get back together, he basically hem and hawed about it possibly not happening.

Of course, you'll probably say he just said that as his way to tease those to keep reading.
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:35 AM

Like the team fighters situation for example? When one fan asked Ian if the Freedom Fighter team would ever get back together, he basically hem and hawed about it possibly not happening.

Of course, you'll probably say he just said that as his way to tease those to keep reading.

Actually more likely his way of not making any promises that way he can avoid angering fans on both sides of the issue.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:32 AM

Yeah but that's the thing, you don't know them. You don't know any of the creative team behind that comic and you're just going by what you think and what you believe of them. You are just pissy at them over this current story arc and what they have done to Sally.


That's a big part of it, yes, but it's not just that. I'm seeing a pattern now that's really getting disturbing to me.

Do you really think that they'd hold this character with such small regard if they didn't keep her around. They can do whatever they want with the character and if they hate and despise her like you think they do, they'd of gotten rid of her ages ago. Flynn has been writing this series for the best part of six years, going on seven now and you really think he has waited all this time to get rid of the character now? Hell, he planned on getting rid of Mina because he was open about how much he didn't like that character and yet she's still around. And it was Ian who gave Sally a purpose for being in the comic again after how well Penders and Bollers botched things up starting with #134.


Need I remind you Ian himself said on his own forum the only reason he even bothered to restore Sally from her 134 farce was because he knew the best way to make her fall that dramatic was to have her back to normal, including getting her back together with Sonic?

I'm paraphrasing here a bit, but that's exactly what he was driving at when I read his explanation.

So, tell me honestly... Do you really think that sounds like someone who's a fan of hers? He built her up just to tear her down even worse than EndGame?

I seriously doubt it.

Don't pull the whole "well the fans would stop reading and sales would drop!" excuse because in the world of comics characters die all the time and the books keep selling. They could of killed her off, seen how things went and if by some chance that sales did drop, they could come up with an excuse to bring her back because in comics, if you die, you'll probably be back in less then a year.


That's precisely why I'm starting to hate comic books more and more, because of the fact they cheapen the dramatic death scenes again and again.

What's the point if you're just going to undo it 6 months, or even 3 years later?

And hell, they still continue to include Sally on the covers for the upcoming graphic novels with new artwork. Let's see... On the cover of Best of Sonic the Hedgehog comics Volume 1 we have Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Silver, Metal Sonic annnnnd Sally. She's the only comic character on there with the rest being game characters. They could of easily of put Amy or someone else in place, but no they put Sally there. She's also on the cover of the upcoming Super Sonic Digest #1. Does this mean they love the character? No. But if they hate her so much, why go to the trouble of including her in there when they could put another game character on there to appeal to the much wider video game fanbase?


That could be done for nothing more than trying to appeal to the large Sally fanbase, but I admit that's a guess on my part at best.

Yeah, the current arc has pissed off a lot of people, you're not alone in that regard, but there are people who are fans of Sally that have been enjoying it. I know a couple of Sally fanboys who are loving this arc and are eager to see how it all comes to it's end.


Well, that all depends on how this so called climax wraps up. There's a chance it will tick off even them if my suspicions are confirmed, but we'll have to wait and see.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, but seriously, constantly hearing you complain about how much Archie/Sega/Flynn hate Sally and the other SatAM cast members with no real evidence to back this claim up is has gotten stale.


No real evidence? You mean like when one of the lead staff members of the book arrogantly said last year they could kill off the whole Satam cast and the book would still go on?

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Anyway, fine, I apologize if I appear to complain too much about the current story. I'm just really getting fed up with the, "Well, we can't save Mecha Sally because... (fill in blank)" excuse.

Seriously, it's getting more blatantly obvious every issue they are padding this thing to 250 because of the fact it's a big milestone number. This thing ending by 241 seems very unlikely the more I look at it.

But, that's just my opinion. As I said before, we'll have to wait to see.

And again: 250 is explicitly part of the Sonic/Mega Man story. They're not saving Metal Sally for it.


You don't know that for sure. Do you have any evidence to confirm that?


I understand the distrust. If Ian gave what I think would have been a better reason for his actions concerning Sally, that he brought back Sally to her old self because he liked the character and loved her relationship with Sonic and that he wanted them back together, I could trust him more.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:10 AM

I understand the distrust. If Ian gave what I think would have been a better reason for his actions concerning Sally, that he brought back Sally to her old self because he liked the character and loved her relationship with Sonic and that he wanted them back together, I could trust him more.

Trust should not be based on if he likes a character or not. In all honesty it sucks to have Sally Robotized....but to insta-fix it would bring just as much problems as not fixing it. If he doesn't do it right, it'll make the whole arc wasted.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:10 PM

Trust should not be based on if he likes a character or not.


True. there's more to the story than that I'll admit.

I guess the thing what really disturbed me about Flynn the most was the fact I think he went on record saying he was a Sally fan and even liked her.

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Yea, needless to say, it made me paint Ian in a very dark light for awhile when I saw that.

In all honesty it sucks to have Sally Robotized....but to insta-fix it would bring just as much problems as not fixing it. If he doesn't do it right, it'll make the whole arc wasted.


Yes, you're right.

It shouldn't be insta-fixed since that would indeed make it pointless. Still, that doesn't mean Ian should make it so blatantly obvious he's stalling to prolong the story either.

That to me is padding, and is just as bad as a quick fix, if not worse.

And I should also add, Sonic and the others trying to talk sense into Mecha Sally is really getting old and pathetic now. How many times does she have to verbally insult them and use witty retorts before they get the fact it's completely pointless to try and reach out to Sally in there?

The last attempt in 239 when Amy tried it was downright absurd, even very mean spirited in my book.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

Well I have to agree there. I mean they had pretty much given up talking to Robians and mostly avoided them originally.




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