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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 LaserX5

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 12:04 PM

...Snively still got taken out in a dramatic heroic end. Really, how much bigger did you expect? He played four armies like a fiddle. He nearly squashed Dr. Eggman, and got the love of his life back. He proved that he had the strength to do more than run away (certainly more depth than the show gave him,) he showed off his love of family and his pettiness. He got an entire four issue arc just dedicated to celebrating the relationship between him and Robotnik before it ended. And then he lost... which obviously, he was always going to do. The only way to have made this any bigger was for him to have defeated Eggman and taken over the Eggman Empire, and really. Did ANYBODY think that was what was going to happen?


Like the others, I didn't expect Snively to win, but I was slightly hoping at the least he would have been able to run away and come back later in the story.

But yea... no chance of that happening with Snively being portrayed so ridiculously. Posted Image

I mean, if he had to be given the role of being squashed, couldn't Flynn have given him a bit more dignity and make it less obvious what was going to happen?

Anyway, to answer your last question, the only way this could story have gone bigger, and I think it could have been done if handled properly is if Snively used Hope and Regina to get the forces of G.U.N and the rest of the unlegionized Dragon Kingdom clans on his side to try and take out Eggman in an all out assault.


I didn't expect him to take over the Eggman empire, nor did I expect him to kill Eggman. But winning the battle against Eggy (sending Eggy running home with his tail between his legs) and escaping with Regina, or perhaps establishing a base in the Dragon Kingdom would've been nice. Ian could've still had him disappear for a while, or forever, and at least it would've been more satisfying.
But instead my favorite character put everything on the line to break free and what happened?
1 Disowned by his sister
2 Doesn't get the satisfaction of kicking Eggman's ass. He really didn't beat Egghead down at all.
3 Is separated from the woman he loves (which, btw, it's still not made clear whether she even loves him or not)
4 Ends up in a box with fate unknown.
How this is supposed to be satisfying to a Snively fan? Could've just spared me the four issues and had him get caught right away and shoved into the box xD


Yea, Ian was really brutal to Snively here. I almost wonder if this was a Sega order behind the scenes because they wanted their pathetic Sonic Colors stooges of Eggman's in the comic now.

I've really been on the fence with how Ian writes Snively and the situations he writes for him. In some instances, I like it. In others, I really don't, and I really don't think he portrays him well. He did so many stupid-ass things in the Scrambled Arc. If he'd simply disabled the tracker from the beginning, all the nonsense with Eggman would've been avoided. He looks like a tool in front of Hope because he suddenly can't control what comes out of his mouth. His plan with the Dragon armor is ok, but of course Eggman squashes that nearly instantly (epic battle, my foot!)


I was basically referring to how he was portrayed in the latest SU arc, but yea, Snively at least wasn't written completely asinine during Ian's run.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 12:25 PM

...Snively still got taken out in a dramatic heroic end. Really, how much bigger did you expect? He played four armies like a fiddle. He nearly squashed Dr. Eggman, and got the love of his life back. He proved that he had the strength to do more than run away (certainly more depth than the show gave him,) he showed off his love of family and his pettiness. He got an entire four issue arc just dedicated to celebrating the relationship between him and Robotnik before it ended. And then he lost... which obviously, he was always going to do. The only way to have made this any bigger was for him to have defeated Eggman and taken over the Eggman Empire, and really. Did ANYBODY think that was what was going to happen?


Like the others, I didn't expect Snively to win, but I was slightly hoping at the least he would have been able to run away and come back later in the story.

But yea... no chance of that happening with Snively being portrayed so ridiculously. Posted Image

I mean, if he had to be given the role of being squashed, couldn't Flynn have given him a bit more dignity and make it less obvious what was going to happen?

Anyway, to answer your last question, the only way this could story have gone bigger, and I think it could have been done if handled properly is if Snively used Hope and Regina to get the forces of G.U.N and the rest of the unlegionized Dragon Kingdom clans on his side to try and take out Eggman in an all out assault.


I didn't expect him to take over the Eggman empire, nor did I expect him to kill Eggman. But winning the battle against Eggy (sending Eggy running home with his tail between his legs) and escaping with Regina, or perhaps establishing a base in the Dragon Kingdom would've been nice. Ian could've still had him disappear for a while, or forever, and at least it would've been more satisfying.
But instead my favorite character put everything on the line to break free and what happened?
1 Disowned by his sister
2 Doesn't get the satisfaction of kicking Eggman's ass. He really didn't beat Egghead down at all.
3 Is separated from the woman he loves (which, btw, it's still not made clear whether she even loves him or not)
4 Ends up in a box with fate unknown.
How this is supposed to be satisfying to a Snively fan? Could've just spared me the four issues and had him get caught right away and shoved into the box xD


Yea, Ian was really brutal to Snively here. I almost wonder if this was a Sega order behind the scenes because they wanted their pathetic Sonic Colors stooges of Eggman's in the comic now.

I've really been on the fence with how Ian writes Snively and the situations he writes for him. In some instances, I like it. In others, I really don't, and I really don't think he portrays him well. He did so many stupid-ass things in the Scrambled Arc. If he'd simply disabled the tracker from the beginning, all the nonsense with Eggman would've been avoided. He looks like a tool in front of Hope because he suddenly can't control what comes out of his mouth. His plan with the Dragon armor is ok, but of course Eggman squashes that nearly instantly (epic battle, my foot!)


I was basically referring to how he was portrayed in the latest SU arc, but yea, Snively at least wasn't written completely asinine during Ian's run.

It doesn't seem like you payed attention to my last post. Oh well, what do I expect. That people instantly respond when I post something. Hey LaserX5, if you read my post. If so, what are your 2 cents about it?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:48 PM

I don't think Sega really tells Archie what to do much. I think its more of marketing strategy for whoever makes the big decisions. Having the game characters in it will be more eyecatching to new readers who can ease into the comic alot easier so they can get to know the SatAM cast. If you think about it, it has always been the way of the comic. The Knuckles Chaotix game shoved all these new chars. down our throats when it came out, and when 3D Blast came out it had to do a adaption for it. As long as Sega keeps making these games and new characters something has got to give for the comic to keep up.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:45 PM

I will now laugh at Eggman's hidden Star Trek reference.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:47 PM

I will now laugh at Eggman's hidden Star Trek reference.
"KHAN!"


Guess Egghead's a Trekkie. :D
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:50 PM

Or maybe his poppa was WILLIAM! FREAKING! SHATNER!
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:37 PM

The joke issue where Snively turned out to like hockey had more character than he ever did in the show

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Haha. Good one. Oh, you weren't joking? :rolleyes:
One again, a comic with 200+ issues has a bit more time to flesh out a character than a show with only two short seasons did. And I still find the SatAM Sniv much more to my liking than the inconsistent, plot device one in the comic.

If he had simply lost Eggman, he'd be squashed by GUN.


How do you figure? He had the invisibliity cloak thing going on. The dude would've just snuck out the same exact way he did when Eggman was there. Screwing up with Hope was because he acted like a total asshat for no reason. "RRRGH ME EVIL! JOINNN ME KNEEL TO LOKI..." *ahem* Ok...nevermind...
xD Oh whatever, I give up at this point. xD I disliked the issue and don't like the way Ian handled Snively. That's it, the end, goodnight. ^^

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:52 PM

This is just an assumption, but I know that with 10+ years of the comic up and running, characters change and evolve, but they keep some sort of the original personality. I'm ridic behind in reading the comics, so was the Snively who was first introduced in the first....100ish comics completely different than the current one being presented? Because that's what I think happened.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:53 PM

Personally, I liked this arc. Snively may be inconsistent in the comics (due to different writers), but he has shown more development than he had in the show. Had the show continued, I don't think he would've been portrayed that differently.

And I highly doubt he'll be gone for long. I mean, Regina's bound to discover her Snivley's a fake. And let's face it, nearly all the characters thrown in jail escape later on, so it's highly likely Snively will escape sooner or later (like how he did at Devil's Gulag).

Plus, am I the only one here that likes Orbot and Cubot? I found them hilarious back in "Sonic Colors", and that scene with them placing bets on Eggman's Egg Beater II or Snively's Iron Oni won me over in this issue. These guys are better than Decoe and Bocoe and funnier than Scratch and Grounder.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:36 PM

It doesn't seem like you payed attention to my last post. Oh well, what do I expect. That people instantly respond when I post something. Hey LaserX5, if you read my post. If so, what are your 2 cents about it?


Yea, I read it...

Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your thoughts on this matter. Posted Image

I was just responding to some other posts that caught my eye since they were talking about Snively's obvious writeout by Ian Flynn. Posted Image

Anyway, yes, I understand freedom with a series can be a double edged sword.

It can be used to write superb stories in the right hands, or the series could also be horribly butchered and raped if it's in the wrong ones

That's what it comes down to when discussing the pros and cons of unlimited freedom with a copyrighted character... finding a writer who will actually do what's best for the series and not for his own personal ego.

And sadly, that's easier said than done. There are too many individuals who want to run the series in such a way that would deeply offend and anger the masses.

The one who came closest to being that individual for this ideal was the late Ben Hurst.

When he mentioned Sonic was supposed to be a blockbuster sci-fi with the extremes of good and evil represented by iconic characters, I knew this guy had his heart in the right place.


It's such a shame Sega wouldn't even give him the time of day after Sonic Satam. The one writer who could have made Sonic more epic than Mario, and they rather have morons like Bollers and Penders write for them instead. :tsktsk:
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:06 PM

It doesn't seem like you payed attention to my last post. Oh well, what do I expect. That people instantly respond when I post something. Hey LaserX5, if you read my post. If so, what are your 2 cents about it?


Yea, I read it...

Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your thoughts on this matter. Posted Image

I was just responding to some other posts that caught my eye since they were talking about Snively's obvious writeout by Ian Flynn. Posted Image

Anyway, yes, I understand freedom with a series can be a double edged sword.

It can be used to write superb stories in the right hands, or the series could also be horribly butchered and raped if it's in the wrong ones

That's what it comes down to when discussing the pros and cons of unlimited freedom with a copyrighted character... finding a writer who will actually do what's best for the series and not for his own personal ego.

And sadly, that's easier said than done. There are too many individuals who want to run the series in such a way that would deeply offend and anger the masses.

The one who came closest to being that individual for this ideal was the late Ben Hurst.

When he mentioned Sonic was supposed to be a blockbuster sci-fi with the extremes of good and evil represented by iconic characters, I knew this guy had his heart in the right place.

It's such a shame Sega wouldn't even give him the time of day after Sonic Satam. The one writer who could have made Sonic more epic than Mario, and they rather have morons like Bollers and Penders write for them instead. :tsktsk:

I admit, I get a bit obsessed of wanting people to respond my post. Besides if I got that wish then everyone would be mindless servants who's only purpose is to respond my post which takes away free time for themselves.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 01:06 AM

I dunno, both were pretty bad in my book. Ken Penders' writing was bland and forgettable (not to mention aggravating to read at times) and Karl Bollers jumped the shark way too many times and made the series too dark for a kids comic.

But then again, nearly every writer in the Sonic series has had problems in their stories. Even the best writers had their share: Ian's stories (I'll admit) are often rushed and forced at times, Nigel Kitching portrayed Sonic as a jerk in STC, and Ben Hurst made Antoine an annoying stereotype, downgraded Bunnie's role, and created Dulcy.


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:33 AM

I'm not sure Sega even knew who Bollers and Penders were. Didn't Ben Hurst decline working on the comics?

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:04 AM

I dunno, both were pretty bad in my book. Ken Penders' writing was bland and forgettable (not to mention aggravating to read at times) and Karl Bollers jumped the shark way too many times and made the series too dark for a kids comic.

But then again, nearly every writer in the Sonic series has had problems in their stories. Even the best writers had their share: Ian's stories (I'll admit) are often rushed and forced at times, Nigel Kitching portrayed Sonic as a jerk in STC, and Ben Hurst made Antoine an annoying stereotype, downgraded Bunnie's role, and created Dulcy.

I get where you're going, but you got to admit Ken Penders and Karl Bollers did impact the comics a lot with their story telling. Penders integrating aspects of what you expect in modern comics like parallel worlds and complex back stories and Karl Bollers created some characters made for the comics like Mina Mongoose and wrote my favorite milestone issue #125. Sure, they wrote some things bad for the comics like Ken introducing characters and left them to be forgotten and Karl Bollers made the comics a bit soap opera-ish (even though I've never experienced the genre), but for me I can look past that.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:07 AM

I'm not sure Sega even knew who Bollers and Penders were. Didn't Ben Hurst decline working on the comics?


The original comic was a 4-issue miniseries designed to advertise SatAM and AoStH. Hurst wasn't really needed for that. After it hit big,Archie just stuck with the team it already had.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

[I thought Penders and Biller's works on the comics were pretty good in my book.


Well, to be fair, Penders and Bollers do have at least one epic story to their name.

Endgame and the Xorda battle IMO were two of the best stories ever made by Archie Comics. Granted, they weren't perfect and had their share of flaws, but these two really stick out to me because of their memorable climaxes.

Each story ironically even ended up molding the series into the direction we see today.

I'm not sure Sega even knew who Bollers and Penders were. Didn't Ben Hurst decline working on the comics?


Actually, yes, Ben did decline, but only because the salary Archie offered him was way too low.

I can't blame him there really.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:36 AM

I'm not sure Sega even knew who Bollers and Penders were. Didn't Ben Hurst decline working on the comics?


The original comic was a 4-issue miniseries designed to advertise SatAM and AoStH. Hurst wasn't really needed for that. After it hit big,Archie just stuck with the team it already had.

To be honest, I have huge doubts of the 4-issue mini series being an advertisement to SatAM and AoStH, but who am I to talk when I wasn't a sperm yet.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:16 AM

Wait?!! What happened to Snively? Did he get put on the "I'm too lazy to do anything with these characters and think doing these things constitute drama, never mind how it affects on the status quo of everything connected and that doing that just gos to make the comic more and more shallow without these themes" bus with the echidnas and the rest?

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 07:08 AM

To get on topic, here are my thoughts on SU 40:
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Posted 25 May 2012 - 12:29 PM

Wait?!! What happened to Snively? Did he get put on the "I'm too lazy to do anything with these characters and think doing these things constitute drama, never mind how it affects on the status quo of everything connected and that doing that just gos to make the comic more and more shallow without these themes" bus with the echidnas and the rest?


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