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[Speedy_25]

why do i get the feeling that Khan is going to be killed here?

[RedAuthar]

Because he was made in the Penders story arcs and they seem to be killing those guys off.

[PuffinGrandeur]

No one's died in a good long while, come to think of it. Weird. Anyway, Khan's not a Penders creation in the first place, so no matter what he's safe (thank GOODNESS.)
Anyway he'll probably survive, but hopefully this'll get him to start misbehaving again. I still really don't like Monkey Khan, but if he stops being so mopey and normal maybe I'll come back around.

[RedAuthar]

I think he should be dropped back down to minor character stats. Sure during the Iron Queen Arc it was okay that he got a lot of panel time, but now I wanna see what is happening with OTHER minor characters...I feel it's too soon to bring him back.

[LaserX5]

why do i get the feeling that Khan is going to be killed here?

Because it would make another abrupt shockvalue moment for the comic if he was?

I dunno...

Although, I actually have a stronger inkling Snively maybe among the casualties as well.

I find it suspicious he's not even mentioned after this arc.

So, either he gets killed in the end or runs away with Regina for the time being.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I think he should be dropped back down to minor character stats. Sure during the Iron Queen Arc it was okay that he got a lot of panel time, but now I wanna see what is happening with OTHER minor characters...I feel it's too soon to bring him back.

To be fair, this is only the one issue and he's mostly piggybacking off of the Iron Queen here. We did get to see a ton of Grandmasters and some of Station Square's cast too, so actually we got to see a good amount of minor appearances.

[RedAuthar]

Yeah except he was also got to star in the main comic AND the side story a little while back. I'd rather spend more time with a group that hasn't seen panel time in a while.

[MoonPrincess07]

Personally, I'd like to see the Iron Queen bite the dust.
But I agree about Snively; I think they're going to write him out.

[MistressAli]

I'm rather nervous about this issue, because I'm in agreement that Snivvy might get killed or run off with Regina (an effective way to not have in him the comic for a long while, or ever) Another SatAM character dusted to make room for Sega ones (the two robots...) Whatever. :/ I won't be subscribing again if my Sniv goes away.

I wouldn't mind seeing Monkey Khan bite it though...
I hope Ian pleasantly surprises me by having Sniv and Queenie win the battle here and sending Egghead scampering home. And then establishing themselves as a pair of villains who appear now and then to make trouble for everyone

[RedAuthar]

Meh. I kinda want the Iron Queen to bite the dust too. Never liked her much.

[MistressAli]

Spoilers in here. Though judging from the amount of posts, I don't think anyone really cares...


Huh. Well, reading over at Ian's forum, you'd think this was the best issue ever. I really don't think so. And that's not even because I'm a Snively fan (though I'm sure that's part of it.)
The epic battle? Bland and predictable. Oh, Eggman won? Wow. Who saw that coming? Gee, what a surprise. Here's me being surprised. -_____-
Apparently this shows how 'badass' Eggman is. Huh. Is he such a lame villain they need to show him one-upping his lackey in order to appear 'badass'? I mean, I guess they couldn't very well have him lose, or else he would've looked even more incompetent. But acting like this shows how 'ruthless' and what a 'ultimate villain' he is is just silly.

The Snively-switcheroo. It was a little surprising, I will admit. But I have a hard time believing Regina the super techno-mage wouldn't realize a little robo-Snivvy is following her around. Maybe not in the first few moments, but certainly in a very short amount of time.
Now, people on the other forum are like 'Snively's not dead, he'll be back, blah blah...' Well, I'm not so sure. I personally see it this way: Ian doesn't outright kill Snively. He shows him alive, but trapped. It's a bone to throw to what he sees as very few Snively fans. Give 'em hope that he'll come back. But in reality, he's not ever going to use him again and figures most people won't care or will forget. Especially since we have the 'oh so cute' Orbot and Cubot as the totally awesome new lackies! YAY! The way they agree with Egghead's every word is so interesting and dynamic!

Also... I only read this arc by watching it on Youtube. I'm subscribed to the main comic. So what about people who only read the main comic? Snively is just going to disappear. Maybe he'll get a little box saying 'to find out what happened to Snively, read Sonic Universe!' If he even gets that! It's kind of lame. Like him or hate him, Sniv's still been in the comic since the beginning and deserves a little better than that. ><

[PuffinGrandeur]

A dramatic four-issue finale arc starring him seems like pretty much the best exit you can get. Even if he comes back, thank god he's not going to just be Eggman's lackey anymore.

[MoonPrincess07]

I find Orbot and Cubot annoying. Plain and simple

[MistressAli]

A dramatic four-issue finale arc starring him seems like pretty much the best exit you can get.

NAHHHHHH.
You aren't going to convince a fan of Sniv that this was a great exit because it really wasn't. Maybe there were a few good moments but for the most part, no.

I find Orbot and Cubot annoying. Plain and simple

They seem like lame rip-offs of Scratch and Grounder to me.
I guess Lien-Da will have to fully take over the snarky, rebellious lackey role now.

[LaserX5]

Spoilers in here. Though judging from the amount of posts, I don't think anyone really cares...


Huh. Well, reading over at Ian's forum, you'd think this was the best issue ever. I really don't think so. And that's not even because I'm a Snively fan (though I'm sure that's part of it.)
The epic battle? Bland and predictable. Oh, Eggman won? Wow. Who saw that coming? Gee, what a surprise. Here's me being surprised. -_____-
Apparently this shows how 'badass' Eggman is. Huh. Is he such a lame villain they need to show him one-upping his lackey in order to appear 'badass'? I mean, I guess they couldn't very well have him lose, or else he would've looked even more incompetent. But acting like this shows how 'ruthless' and what a 'ultimate villain' he is is just silly.

The Snively-switcheroo. It was a little surprising, I will admit. But I have a hard time believing Regina the super techno-mage wouldn't realize a little robo-Snivvy is following her around. Maybe not in the first few moments, but certainly in a very short amount of time.
Now, people on the other forum are like 'Snively's not dead, he'll be back, blah blah...' Well, I'm not so sure. I personally see it this way: Ian doesn't outright kill Snively. He shows him alive, but trapped. It's a bone to throw to what he sees as very few Snively fans. Give 'em hope that he'll come back. But in reality, he's not ever going to use him again and figures most people won't care or will forget. Especially since we have the 'oh so cute' Orbot and Cubot as the totally awesome new lackeys! YAY! The way they agree with Egghead's every word is so interesting and dynamic!

Also... I only read this arc by watching it on Youtube. I'm subscribed to the main comic. So what about people who only read the main comic? Snively is just going to disappear. Maybe he'll get a little box saying 'to find out what happened to Snively, read Sonic Universe!' If he even gets that! It's kind of lame. Like him or hate him, Sniv's still been in the comic since the beginning and deserves a little better than that. ><

I had a strong feeling Snively at the very least was going to get beaten bad, if not killed in SU 40. Him not even being mentioned in the next issue just made that conclusion too obvious.

That and the fact Snively was portrayed like an absolute moron as well was a dead giveaway.

You know, it's issues like these that make me wish Penders' vision of this character went through instead of Flynn's. He at least was going to have Snively die a heroic death, which is something I could at least tolerate somewhat.

But here...? Ian just reduced to this solid Sonic character from Satam to an absolute joke.

And then on top of that, he's replaced by two pathetic ripoffs of Decoe and Bocoe.

Yea, I think Sega's been meddling behind the scenes A LITTLE TOO MUCH if you ask me.

[PuffinGrandeur]

...Snively still got taken out in a dramatic heroic end. Really, how much bigger did you expect? He played four armies like a fiddle. He nearly squashed Dr. Eggman, and got the love of his life back. He proved that he had the strength to do more than run away (certainly more depth than the show gave him,) he showed off his love of family and his pettiness. He got an entire four issue arc just dedicated to celebrating the relationship between him and Robotnik before it ended. And then he lost... which obviously, he was always going to do. The only way to have made this any bigger was for him to have defeated Eggman and taken over the Eggman Empire, and really. Did ANYBODY think that was what was going to happen?

[blue]

Spoilers in here. Though judging from the amount of posts, I don't think anyone really cares...


Huh. Well, reading over at Ian's forum, you'd think this was the best issue ever. I really don't think so. And that's not even because I'm a Snively fan (though I'm sure that's part of it.)
The epic battle? Bland and predictable. Oh, Eggman won? Wow. Who saw that coming? Gee, what a surprise. Here's me being surprised. -_____-
Apparently this shows how 'badass' Eggman is. Huh. Is he such a lame villain they need to show him one-upping his lackey in order to appear 'badass'? I mean, I guess they couldn't very well have him lose, or else he would've looked even more incompetent. But acting like this shows how 'ruthless' and what a 'ultimate villain' he is is just silly.

The Snively-switcheroo. It was a little surprising, I will admit. But I have a hard time believing Regina the super techno-mage wouldn't realize a little robo-Snivvy is following her around. Maybe not in the first few moments, but certainly in a very short amount of time.
Now, people on the other forum are like 'Snively's not dead, he'll be back, blah blah...' Well, I'm not so sure. I personally see it this way: Ian doesn't outright kill Snively. He shows him alive, but trapped. It's a bone to throw to what he sees as very few Snively fans. Give 'em hope that he'll come back. But in reality, he's not ever going to use him again and figures most people won't care or will forget. Especially since we have the 'oh so cute' Orbot and Cubot as the totally awesome new lackeys! YAY! The way they agree with Egghead's every word is so interesting and dynamic!

Also... I only read this arc by watching it on Youtube. I'm subscribed to the main comic. So what about people who only read the main comic? Snively is just going to disappear. Maybe he'll get a little box saying 'to find out what happened to Snively, read Sonic Universe!' If he even gets that! It's kind of lame. Like him or hate him, Sniv's still been in the comic since the beginning and deserves a little better than that. ><

I had a strong feeling Snively at the very least was going to get beaten bad, if not killed in SU 40. Him not even being mentioned in the next issue just made that conclusion too obvious.

That and the fact Snively was portrayed like an absolute moron as well was a dead giveaway.

You know, it's issues like these that make me wish Penders' vision of this character went through instead of Flynn's. He at least was going to have Snively die a heroic death, which is something I could at least tolerate somewhat.

But here...? Ian just reduced to this solid Sonic character from Satam to an absolute joke.

And then on top of that, he's replaced by two pathetic ripoffs of Decoe and Bocoe.

Yea, I think Sega's been meddling behind the scenes A LITTLE TOO MUCH if you ask me.

I'll admit, I knew Snively would be defeated by Eggman because it would be too easy and Eggman's reign of terror would have a major blow.

Also, would SEGA leaving it alone would make the comic better? For creative freedom yeah, but there is a down side to this freedom. I'm not sure if you read my post about the negative aspects of SEGA letting the comic to do whatever it want and probably call this ludicrous, but ill say some of it for examples. Not being faithful to SatAM because it's"old" or "outdated" to them, terrible tributes and adaptions of history like Bravehog from Sonic the Comic, and nonsensical stories and comic exclusive characters. Not to mention, writers have to deal editorial mandates.

[MistressAli]

I didn't expect him to take over the Eggman empire, nor did I expect him to kill Eggman. But winning the battle agaisnt Eggy (sending Eggy running home with his tail between his legs) and escaping with Regina, or perhaps establishing a base in the Dragon Kingdom would've been nice. Ian could've still had him disappear for a while, or forever, and at least it would've been more satisfying.
But instead my favorite character put everything on the line to break free and what happened?
1 Disowned by his sister
2 Doesn't get the satisfaction of kicking Eggman's ass. He really didn't beat Egghead down at all.
3 Is seperated from the woman he loves (which, btw, it's still not made clear whether she even loves him or not)
4 Ends up in a box with fate unknown.
How this is supposed to be satisfying to a Snively fan? Could've just spared me the four issues and had him get caught right away and shoved into the box

That and the fact Snively was portrayed like an absolute moron as well was a dead giveaway
But here...? Ian just reduced to this solid Sonic character from Satam to an absolute joke.

I've really been on the fence with how Ian writes Snively and the situations he writes for him. In some instances, I like it. In others, I really don't, and I really don't think he potrays him welll. He did so many stupid-ass things in the Scrambled Arc. If he'd simply disabled the tracker from the beginning, all the nonsense with Eggman would've been avoided. He looks like a tool in front of Hope because he suddenly can't control what comes out of his mouth. His plan with the Dragon armor is ok, but of course Eggman squashes that nearly instantly (epic battle, my foot!)

certainly more depth than the show gave him,)

I don't know about that. Just because Ian has Snively doing more doesn't mean it has more depth. And to be fair, SatAM never got to do much with Snively. Had the third season come along and we got to see Sniv with the freedom fighters, I believe there would've been much depth. And also, there's something to be said for the mystery factor and trying to figure out what's not laid bare before your eyes. Sniv had just enough rebellion and snark to him in the show, just enough hate for his Uncle that it made you wonder how he ended up there, how he'd be on his own, how he'd find his redemption with the F-Fighters. (well that's how I feel anyway. And I also feel Ben Hurst was a better writer of characters than Ian.)
Ian really doesn't do that much more with him... he makes him a snarky lackey, he makes him traitorous and backstabby to everyone, and he made him into a lovesick moron who got some amibiton but lost his sense of logic along the way.

Eh.... well, now I'm hoping Lien-Da finds him and lets him out... And seXy times ensue... (or not)

[PuffinGrandeur]

Lian-Da isn't even gonna be on the Death Egg anymore.
Snively had basically nothing in the show. He had a slight glimmer of characterization in the finale, but it never manifested into anything with the cancellation. I'm not saying that Ian made Snively more complex, I'm saying he has ALWAYS been a more complex character in Archie than he ever was in SataM. The joke issue where Snively turned out to like hockey had more character than he ever did in the show (which is fine as a lackey side character.)
If he had simply lost Eggman, he'd be squashed by GUN. He messed up with his sister (consistent with how he has done this several times over already), but he won Regina back (and honestly at this point why would she be faking it), and nearly took Eggman down despite losing it all at the very end (because you know, the Big Bad.) Even then, he's still got wiggle room to come back, just never again as Dr. Robotnik's Luigi. At worst, he got a BIG final hoorah that went completely with his character. At best, he's shown off the huge potential he really has hiding within him as a competent villain.