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[wildfire]

Sup FUS, i've been watching some let's plays on to Youtube and that got me thinking. What SEGA Sonic characters would you like to see in newer Sonic games? I'm talking characters that you don't normally see, like Nack or Bean, even Bark the polar bear. I'm just wondering what characters FUSers would like to see more of. For instance, Ray the Squirrel was in a grand total of ONE Sonic game. You'd think for a company that had no qualms about adding surpflueous (sp?) characters they would at least make use of the multitude they had already created. I would have been even glad to see Bark instead of Big the Cat in Sonic Adventure (I fucking hate Big the Cat) as well as Sonic Heroes. Any thoughts?

[RedAuthar]

(Sonic)
Mighty the Armadillo: He was one of the alternatives for Sonic as the main character (hence why Sonic curls into a ball). He deserves more screen time.
Bean the Dynamite: I don't know...I think him and Bark could have been Great characters but keep getting overlooked.
Bark the Polar Bear: See Bean
Heavy and Bomb: Seriously. I really think they should get some more screen time. Underdeveloped.

Also since this didn't specifically say Sonic....
(Mario)
Waluigi: His a joke because he only appears in Spin offs. Put him in a real game and see where he goes.

(Mega Man)
Dr. Cossak: He needs more screen time. One time villain gone good guy needs more game time.

[wildfire]

Suppose I could have been more specific, ah well. The topic works all the same. I want to write Bean, Bark, Mighty, and Ray into SatAM as another Freedom Fighter Group. I've often wondered what would happen if these characters were more used in SEGA, but something tells me they would get raped of all originality like the ones that get used today have.

[RedAuthar]

Yeah...I'd also like some of these newer characters to actually do stuff other then be Sonic's Moral Support Group.

[wildfire]

Here's a thought, how about they all team up and kill Big the Cat in the most horrible way possible? And then shove that damn frog up his ass!

[RedAuthar]

Naw. Froggy deserves better then that. But yeah...Big was a wasted character who should be neglected.

[wildfire]

I'm sure there are those that loved Big, and maybe in Sonic Adventure he was best suited to the fishing mini game, But I honestly think that in Sonic Heroes at least, his part could have been given to a better character, like Bark the Polar Bear. In that particular instance, Bark was best suited to the role given to Big in Team Rose. As far as Bean goes, he was a potentially interesting character that wound up going to the wayside for no real reason. And Nack (Fang) could have the very same things said about him. All the older Sonic characters deserve some cred, which I in particular feel they don't get. Also, i'd love to see more of Mighty and Ray. Those missing posters in Sonic Generations made my day.

[RedAuthar]

Fang/Nack has a Wanted Poster in Generations too.

I didn't really like the fishing game in Sonic....I mean...besides Froggy...you don't really wanna catch anything anyways...

[wildfire]

I'd just like to see some more use out of established characters, or shall I say, a little establishment of pre-existing charcaters. That would be infinitely better than the constant cookie cutter add on characters SEGA's been pushing for the better part of a decade. And these new characters are tropes that are done to death. That whole, "I came from the future" angle? Please! And i'm not saying these characters can't be made into something great. I'm simply saying that making them over into a great character takes time and energy that SEGA's team apparently isn't willing to invest.

[RedAuthar]

It's the Gotta-add-a-new-character-each-game belief. Sure it's a good idea to, but because of that established characters haven't been expanded upon.

Worse yet, due to fans wanting to ONLY play Sonic, now the characters have been reduced to Sonic's Cheering Squad. They're just there to give him Moral Support.

[wildfire]

I don't think people wanted to play exclusively as Sonic. I think the problem is more that the Adventure style of play encouraged playing as EVERY character, and people weren't looking to play in Knuckles broken ass treasure hunting or Tails' mech levels that COULD have been awesome but were soo not.

[RedAuthar]

True enough.

[MoKat]

I'm sure there are those that loved Big

*looks around* Where?
(I'm certainly -not- one of 'em.)

I don't think people wanted to play exclusively as Sonic. I think the problem is more that the Adventure style of play encouraged playing as EVERY character, and people weren't looking to play in Knuckles broken ass treasure hunting or Tails' mech levels that COULD have been awesome but were soo not.

I agree. Playing as Knuckles was a lot more fun in Sonic & Knuckles + Sonic 3 than in Sonic Adventure.

[RedAuthar]

It's the make each character different syndrome. Sonic focuses on running the stages so Knuckles and Tails had to play differently. Why? So they were different. Purpose? ..............uh.....well......so they are different. Likability? Depends on how long you can search for emeralds without going insane.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Bark has literally nothing going for him, and certainly doesn't have anything making him better than Big (who is actually a little amusing when not playable). Most of the Classic characters didn't, honestly. There's nothing about Mighty or Ray that make them better than any of the Modern characters: neither of them had any personality (that is all inferred by the fans,) and their gameplay was 100% cloned from Sonic himself. Bean was a reference to another game and had no personality outside of cartoon bombs, and Nack... actually Nack is pretty cool. It's a crying shame he was only in the handhelds. But he's pretty much the only one who actually DESERVES to be used more than Modern characters.

[RedAuthar]

Well....that depends on your views, because I found that besides his gun...Nack/Fang doesn't really have anything going for him. His personality is he's a treasure hunter with a gun. Wow. He's Knuckles with a gun. Big whoop.
I don't really know anything about Ray either.
Mighty being a clone is excusable due to the fact that he was an alternative to Sonic as the main character. Though the Hedgehog was liked better. Also...Vector, Charmy, and Espio all returned, why not Mighty?
Also Shadow and Silver are just Sonic with a few new quriks. One has telekinetic powers and the other has a bad attitude. Heck depending on how you interpret Maria and Shadow's relationship.....anyways....

Most of the Modern Characters don't really have more depth then the old ones.

So it's really an opinion thing.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Fang has a whole lot more than the other Classics. His popgun and Marvelous Queen are unique gimmicks, and while his treasure hunter role was also filled by Knuckles at one point, he was the only one who actually SHOWED that trait. He's a good midboss type, the kind of character whose only close comparison has been Rouge the Bat. And even then with her gradual shift to a more antiheroic personality, it's left him filling a niche that no one else quite gets.
Ray and Mighty meanwhile, have literally nothing going for them. No gameplay differences, no personality, nothing. Mighty doesn't get excused from being a clone just because his design was at one point considered for Sonic: he's still just as cloney. Knowing nothing about Ray doesn't help, because it's not like he's had mysteries held from us: we know that there's nothing there. There was never anything there. Yet you complain that Shadow and Silver are clones (despite that Shadow is more different than either Mighty or Ray while INTENTIONALLY being a clone, and Silver's only similarity is being a hedgehog) while lauding these two as wasted potential. You are complaining that two visually distinct characters with their own gameplay mechianics are too cloney while lamenting that ACTUAL CLONES are not in the games at the same time.
As for why Vector, Espio, and Charmy were brought back: Sonic Heroes has only three man teams, and of the Chaotix those three are the ones that both fit the roles and aren't just straight up clones. Mighty wasn't brought back because Espio was more interesting.

[Ther2view]

Hmm...I'll admit that yes, Mighty and Ray were clones of Sonic in their games...and for good reason. Mighty was one of the possible prototypes for Sonic during the original games development. However...Tails was also originally a clone of Sonic. In Sonic 2 Tails did everything Sonic did: no more, no less. True, when the CPU controlled him he flew...but single player Tails had nothing going for him but a different look. So...why did he get popular? Because in latter games they made him unique. Let you fly him, gave him a connection to inventing, ect. So, if Mighty and Ray were revisited and given new abilities and personalities they could be popular characters.

Shadow and Silver...they're more clones of Knuckles than anything...at least story-wise. In fact, most Sonic characters introduced are. Mysterious new villain that was tricked into fighting Sonic but is revealed/turns good in the end. Yeah...we get it, Sonic 3 and Knuckles was a good game...STOP TRYING TO REMAKE IT! Granted, at least they stopped trying to show Knuckles as CONSTANTLY reverting to that role...but I think we need a new story, Sega...

Fang...yeah, he needs a comeback. Rouge doesn't fit the bill, due to her being a secret agent. A good ole fashioned bounty hunter/ Treasure hunter working for the highest bidder...that's awesome.

[RedAuthar]

Yeah...we get it, Sonic 3 and Knuckles was a good game...STOP TRYING TO REMAKE IT!

Actually DO Remake it...but actually remake it...don't rip it off. I'd love to see an HD or 3D Sonic 3.

Maybe it's just me...but why does everyone like Fang/Nack. Granted I've never played the game...but all I see sprite wise is a generic Knuckles character with a gun who fights like Robotnik.

[Ther2view]

Yes...an HD remake of the entire Death Egg Saga (Sonic 2, 3, and Knuckles.) would be one of the greatest things they could do...

I never played the game either...but I see potential. Unlike Knuckles he isn't a good guy tricked, he also isn't a stooge of Robotnik, he's a character that serves only himself. He carries a gun, because he doesn't have morals to keep him down, he's just looking to make a buck. Unlike EVERY OTHER CHARACTER, he doesn't turn good and become friends, he just looks for more money.

Also, thinking about it, the idea of Shadow and Silver and Sonic isn't explored enough...or good, to be honest. Think about it, Shadow's from the past, Silver's from the future, and Sonic's from the present. You think they'd come up with SOMETHING that uses that to it's fullest...