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May 2008's Episode - Sonic's Nightmare


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Posted 02 May 2008 - 08:12 AM

May's 2008's Episode is Sonic's Nightmare, Episode 9 of Season 1!

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Posted 02 May 2008 - 01:41 PM

Like it says in my Info Box, this is my personal favorite episode, primarily because it's the one that continues to set the SatAM interpretation of Sonic apart from the many others out there (barring Sonic: The Comic, which I haven't read extensively enough to comment). This is the only instance I can think of when Sonic's ever been portrayed as vulnerable, afraid not just for his own life but for the lives of his friends should he fail. It's a detail that serves to really humanize his character for me, and adds a layer of depth to it that no other version I know of has ever really tried.
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Posted 04 May 2008 - 05:50 AM

I think "Sonic's Nightmare" was one of the best episodes of the first season. Sonic's dream was creepy, espeically Sally's "where were you when the brians were passed out" line. Like gojira007 said, the episode did show Sonic's vulnerablity, as well as the pressure he puts on himself. I believe Rotor was right in saying Sonic dream might have had to do with some fear; the fear that he is going to mess up horribly and it will cost his friends. It is also one of the first episodes that show just how intense his feelings for Sally were getting(I have to look up if "Sonic and Sally" aired before or after this episode).

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 08:05 AM

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I have to look up if "Sonic and Sally" aired before or after this episode.


Before. "Sonic and Sally" was the second episode of the series (excluding "Heads or Tails", the pilot which mysteriously got tacked onto the end of the first season), while "Sonic's Nightmare" was one of the last episodes of Season 1.
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 01:55 PM

I like this episode a lot, but there are some times when it feels a bit disjointed to me.

Sonic's dream is cool to watch, and the story taking place outside of the dream is great, and the parallels between his in-dream failures and his real world fears make for solid storytelling. But when Sonic starts daydreaming outside of the holding cell that Sally et al are in, effectively rendering him motionless for a few moments, it just seemed a little strange to me. Was it stress that triggered the daydream, or something else?

Even so, that's a minor complaint about a fine episode. If the episode had been longer, say 45 minutes, things like that would've been well explained. So I guess the only real complaint is that there isn't enough of it.

And besides, this has my favorite Snively line ever in it.

"What is that sound?"
"I expect it's the hedgehog, sir."

There's just something so logically resigned to the way he says it. Makes me chuckle a bit every time.

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Posted 08 May 2008 - 03:29 PM

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I think "Sonic's Nightmare" was one of the best episodes of the first season. Sonic's dream was creepy, espeically Sally's "where were you when the brians were passed out" line. Like gojira007 said, the episode did show Sonic's vulnerablity, as well as the pressure he puts on himself. I believe Rotor was right in saying Sonic dream might have had to do with some fear; the fear that he is going to mess up horribly and it will cost his friends. It is also one of the first episodes that show just how intense his feelings for Sally were getting(I have to look up if "Sonic and Sally" aired before or after this episode).


You basically said what I would say to explain why "Sonic's Nightmare" is my favorite SatAM episode.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 08:46 PM

Sonic's Nightmare is arguably one of the best episodes in Season 1. Sonic's dream sequences prove that he has fears as well. He's scared of letting his friends down, and it really shows when he freezes up on Nimbus Island. I think in the long run, the fear of giving Robotnik the win outweighed his fear of failure. He just didn't want to give Robotnik the satisfaction, and that was enough to snap him out of it. There's also the way he stopped the Cloudburster. That in particular proved that even someone as hard headed as Sonic can think outside of the box. The scene where Sally used the power ring to sap the cage left me a little confused, but I kinda liked the nod to Robotnik's classic creature capture methods. I think they could have kept the top of it though, just seems like lazy animating to me.
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Posted 16 May 2008 - 02:08 AM

"Sonic's Nightmare" is my favorite episode as well...I have a lot of favorite episodes but what puts this episode over the top is the immortal line "Sonic...where were you when the brains were handed out?!"

...And I share Chaos Croc's robo girl fantasies...

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 09:12 PM

This is the episode where I officially started to like Robotnik as a villain. That laid back and sinister persona of his really shows when he suddenly steps out of the shadows after Sally taunts him. I knew right then that this series would be different from the typical Saturday Morning cartoon of the time.
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Posted 17 May 2008 - 10:11 PM

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that this is one of Robotnik's better episodes. Despite being the villain, he doesn't really get much of a chance to shine. Especially in Season 2, but Sonic's Nightmare showed his darker side pretty effectively. I think it's appropriate to say darker in reference to Robotnik because all of SatAM's characters have soo much personality that they defy the typical molds. I'll have more to say on other episodes, can't wait till next months.
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Posted 29 May 2008 - 06:05 PM

I used to watch the heck out of this episode back in the day. Mostly because my ABC affilate decided to not show Season 2 and the rest of the Saturday lineup to show news.

This was the only episode I had taped, so it was the only thing to satisfy my growing likeing to SatAM until Christmas when I asked for the three VHS tapes. Of course, I couldn't see anything new until USA started showing it.

I don't what else to say about it that's already been said, but I always found the bit with Sally wearing that oversized SWAT Bot head and Tails getting freaked out over it to be really cute.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 02:30 PM

Well it's that time again, time for old Dominic to bore you ridged with another long episode review. With luck I'll be able to catch up soon enough and no longer writing reviews for older episodes.

So then, 'Sonic's Nightmare,' what an episode!

Some interesting comments have already been made here so I'll try to dwell too long whats bean said before. For starters though I agree broadly with whats been said in that this can be considered one of the 'better' episodes of season 1. However when looking over this episode in detail, along with the general enjoyment factor I get when watching it, I think I am, perhaps, more critical than most people here.

I'll focus on what I perceive to be it's problems later on because for now I'd much rather focus on the episodes strengths. For starters we have in infamous nightmare, an image I must admit that was burned deeply into my brain when I saw this episode on TV all those years ago.

The line, "Where were you when the brains were handed out?" Did say with me, along with the sight of Sally being robotised, while every other trace of this episode faded from my memory until I finally got a chance to see it again over a decade later.

I think the reason the nightmare works so well is it's lack of complexity and the absence of any bizarre surrealism that, while I'm a big fan of, injects an 'other worldly' quality into things that does not allow you to take them seriously, hence it being best suited to comedy.

Sonic faces his most basic and fundamental fear, the fear that he'll fail to keep the person her cares most safe from harm. One thing you can say about it, if nothing else, it that it revels just how selfless and loving a character he actually is. Instead of his fear being facing his own death or robotisatin, it's Sally's instead, proving that at a fundamental level he will put people, or that the very least Sally's, life before his own.

On a related note, I remember old FUSer buddy Tristan making a negative comment with regards to Rotors 'advice' to Sonic about his dreams many years ago. He said it was pure pop psychology at best, lacking any real understanding of how the mind works or dreams. Well, while in the abstract I am of course in agreement with him about this, I felt that, given the context Rotors comment were completely justified. Remember, these kids left civilisation and school when they were only 5 and while I'm sure she did her best, must have got a pretty minimal education from Rosy and certainly they would not have leaned advanced psychology!

Reference has already been made to Robotnik in this episode, it is argued that he is able to really come off good, or rather bad, evil, in this one. Again I am in agreement, throughout the beginning he maintains a delusional quality, completely confident and basking the anticipated victory before it has even happened. However my favourite moment has to be at the end when he tried to fire that missile at the freedom fighters. You see, some people argue that SatAM was never able to handle comedy very well and bring forth the antics and Antoine as a prime example. Yet this makes a huge mistake in doing this as, for me me at least, it was not Ant but Robotnik and Snively that game me the most laughs.

The end Robotnik scene is a perfect example of the black comedy value Robotnik brought to the show. We see Robotnik utterly absorbed in the moment, verging on an orgasm, his finger hovering above the button, then after it fails to launch we see him scream in range, I challenge anyone not to find this scene funny.

Moving on, it is always nice to see the freedom fighters doing something more interesting than just trying to blow something up. In this episode they think up and try to carry out a more complex plan than usual, with the whole swat-bot disguises. It is unfortunate that, once again Antoine proves his utter incompetence proving once again that not only is he any annoying little prick but a danger to those around him. You cannot help but wonder, if you forget for a moment that it was a TV show and that he was the supposed comic relief, given the extent to which he has endangered both their plans and lives why they continue to bring him along!

This was actually brought home to me to an even greater extent recently when I began to acquire the early Archie trade paper backs which show a very different take on the character, charging into battle with his sword held high to save Sally at one point. I was left wondering how much better SatAM might have been if we'd got that Ant instead?

As to the Final scene with Sally and Sonic and Sonic's 'intense' dream, I must admit that I like a show to end with a humorous moment and not have you subjected to several seconds of painfully forced laughter form the characters. Again SatAM gets a thumbs up in my book for not resorting to that.

Anyway I know feel i is time that I looked at the flip side, some of the reasons that I feel this episode is denied from reaching it true potential.

First and foremost in my mind is the plot, the basic problem I think it has, in spite of the nice elements I refereed to already with them having a more detailed plan, is the straightforwardness of it. What made certain episodes stand out for me, to give my previous review of 'Hooked on Sonics' as an example, was that some of them were mulitlayed and had various strands or subplots that influenced and came together to form a new, bigger whole. In this particular episode the plot followers a completely predictable course, it is totally liner with little story wise to really grip you.

Another complaint that could be made is the rather pointless scene with Sonic going to see if the island is inhabited. For a few precious minutes of screen time we see him running around an empty island! If there had been a few Mobiun refugee's hiding out there, I think it would have made things far more interesting and given the story that added layer of depth it needed. As it stood it felt painfully like a plot device to separate Sonic from his comrades so they could get captured and he's have to same them.

The final comment is minor by comparison and relate to the poor animation with the metal roof of the cage mysteriously disappearing for no reason, which annoys me every time I see it. Why was this necessary I'll never know as there is a few moments with the electric bars gone before the roof goes that look just fine.

So in conclusion I felt this was a very good episode with great character development and genuinely funny moments let down by a rather unremarkable plot and direction. This episode therefore gets a 3/5.


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Sonic faces his most basic and fundamental fear, the fear that he'll fail to keep the person her cares most safe from harm. One thing you can say about it, if nothing else, it that it revels just how selfless and loving a character he actually is. Instead of his fear being facing his own death or robotisatin, it's Sally's instead, proving that at a fundamental level he will put people, or that the very least Sally's, life before his own.


I agree, this scene says a whole lot for who Sonic is... As for a freedom fighter, it seems he has to carry the responsibility of not letting Sally, or the others down.. I can't get past how Sally is calling for help, but at the same time taunting him as he is being held back by one obstacle after the next. I think this episode really comments on Sonic trying to deal with the burden of this responsibility

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:42 AM

I don't necessarily think that the episode was simply about Sonic fearing he's going to lose people he cares about. It also dealt with how inadequate he personally feels in his ability the think reasonably. I think it was also a good episode in the sense it alluded to some depth beyond the happy-go-lucky, always confident, always smiling Sonic. Sonic has another side to him. A side that is wary of his faults, wary of how others understand him to be, and just very...observant it would seem.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 05:20 AM

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I don't necessarily think that the episode was simply about Sonic fearing he's going to lose people he cares about. It also dealt with how inadequate he personally feels in his ability the think reasonably. I think it was also a good episode in the sense it alluded to some depth beyond the happy-go-lucky, always confident, always smiling Sonic. Sonic has another side to him. A side that is wary of his faults, wary of how others understand him to be, and just very...observant it would seem.

Y'know, the only part of the ep that ever really suggested that to me was Sally more or less saying just that at the end, that Sonic's dream was a way of warning him to think a bit more reasonably, but that always struck me as something of a tacked-on sentiment to give the episode its Aesop moment (sorry, been reading a bit too much TV Tropes lately >_>). When you look at his actual nightmare, though, no part of it really seems to suggest that was where it stemmed from. Where in Sonic's dream-chase to reach Sally would better thinking have helped him? The Mega Muck comes out of nowhere, and once it's on the ground, it's all over for the poor guy.
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Posted 28 July 2008 - 06:04 AM

There is a hint of a feeling that Sally's being very critical of him in Sonic's dream. More so than we really see her in waking life. Again, that points to Sonic feeling that he's doomed to fail one day, as is shown by his failure in the dream, but could it be that he feels her criticim more sharply than we might at first think?

As someone else (Dominic, was it?) suggested earlier, there's a hint of accusation along with the call for help in that 'where were you when the brains were handed out?' comment. Especially when it's repeated.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 04:03 AM

Of course, the reason why Sonic is worried about messing up is because he realizes he needs to think things though more.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 02:28 PM

Great episode, it really shows that Sonic can use his brains rather then brawn for once! the nightmare with Sally becoming the robot was freaky, reminded me of that same scene from "Superman III", remember that one?

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 01:43 AM

Really good episode. Has an epicish feel to it. About half my age ago I turned on the T.V. to this episode half way over and I probably never knew till I found FUS that it was a dream sequence ep.

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Posted 23 February 2009 - 07:17 PM

RATING: *** out of 5
Throughout this series, Sonic is maintained to be this cocky, fearless hero who laughs in the face of any danger. But this episode proves that he has his moment of weakness, something that was rarely done anywhere else. It also proves just how powerful a dream can be, resulting in a fear that would make some crumble. But as Sonic proved, it can also drive some to moments of bravery that they never imagined they’d be able to accomplish otherwise.

Sadly, while the nightmare set the tone for the episode, it didn’t figure in later on as much as it possibly could have. The moment came for Sonic on Nimbus in front of the other Freedom Fighters, but that was it. I can easily imagine the fear flashing in his mind when he learned of the others’ capture. And Robotnik missed a prime opportunity to spot him in his frozen state, which would have really created a moment that could have doomed Sonic before he even moved a muscle. Overall, it was a really great setup, but there were spots that could have made it a phenomenal one.

(Side note: I originally had this episode on par with Hooked On Sonics, both tied for 2nd best of the season, but I had to put Hooked ahead because the character premise was played out better. Still a good episode, though.)
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