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[Speedy_25]

yes sir.....no worries sir.....

[zelchias]

Okay then, I am intrigued in a good way. Though I can't say I'm particularly fond of the At-At's up there, especially that they're called 'Egg Camels'.

[LaserX5]

I really do not get this plot one iota.

Snively wants to find Hope?

Why? Is he trying to get her to talk the Commander of G.U.N to back him up with his army? I actually admit that would be an interesting scenario, if it weren't for the fact it appears Snively goes straight to the Dragon Kingdom the next issue without any confirmation whether or not he succeeded in getting their support.

Not to mention I'd doubt Commander Tower would just agree to help out Snively that easily due to his past record.

And what a surprise... another Metal Sonic robot just to be blasted to bits later on...

Eggman can turn Sally into a psychotic death machine, but he can't turn one Metal Sonic robot into a formidable opponent too?

[blue]

Why do I get the feeling that Eggman's gonna win in this arc? Sure anything can happen, but that's just me.

[chief]

Im sorry..Robotnic Eggman..Whatever. And Snively both look so dumb. This is probably the largest reason now why I don;t read the comics. The bad guys look like pansy ass school kids who spend their days picking flowers and eating grass.

[LogiTeeka]

I really do not get this plot one iota.

Snively wants to find Hope?

Why? Is he trying to get her to talk the Commander of G.U.N to back him up with his army? I actually admit that would be an interesting scenario, if it weren't for the fact it appears Snively goes straight to the Dragon Kingdom the next issue without any confirmation whether or not he succeeded in getting their support.

Not to mention I'd doubt Commander Tower would just agree to help out Snively that easily due to his past record.

Actually, Snively has feelings for her and just wants them to be together because they're family. In fact, he states that he wants to start a new life and have a family with Regina.

Sadly though, his efforts are futile. Snively states that if they all band together, they can topple the Eggman Empire and rule all of Mobius as “one big happy family”. But when Hope hears this, she becomes angry and slaps him across the face. This then leads to a huge argument, which ends with Hope forcing Snively to get out of the city and out of her life. Snively reluctantly complies and leaves, with both of their eyes in tears.

Damn. That's extreamly sad.

But in a way, I'm glad that Snively gets some sympathy for once. I guess he's not that heartless afterall.

And what a surprise... another Metal Sonic robot just to be blasted to bits later on...
Eggman can turn Sally into a psychotic death machine, but he can't turn one Metal Sonic robot into a formidable opponent too?

Actually, Metal Sonic has been destroyed countless times before. Heck, his first appearance in the Sonic CD adaptation ended with him crashing into a wall.

Im sorry..Robotnic Eggman..Whatever. And Snively both look so dumb. This is probably the largest reason now why I don;t read the comics. The bad guys look like pansy ass school kids who spend their days picking flowers and eating grass.

Really, I kinda like their current appearances in the comics. Eggman may not be as threatening as Robotnik, but at times he can be just as scarry. I mean, all Robotnik had was just Swatbots and Robotropolis; while Dr. Eggman has the Dark Egg Legion, an army of Egg Pawns and Badniks at his command, an entire fleet of various battleships, and (just recently) a newly rebuilt Death Egg.

Not only that, but I find Dr. Eggman a bit more interesting than Robotnik. The origonal Robotnik was scarry I'll admit, but that's all he really had going with him. On the other hand, Eggman has a bit more character; as he can be both goofy and comical as well as scarry and threatening at the same time.

[zelchias]

Actually, Metal Sonic has been destroyed countless times before. Heck, his first appearance in the Sonic CD adaptation ended with him crashing into a wall.

Hate to be a nitpicker here, but here it goes; he was destroyed twice, first in the Sonic CD Adaptation, then in the Chiaotix one, before rebuilding himself and willingly sacrificing his own life in his third, final appearance. And as for the Eggman produced ones, they're not rebuilt versions of the same model; they're new iterations of the Metal Sonic design... given how many Eggman can seem to pop out, one must wonder why he doesn't simply build them en-masse and let them loose, even with only the Death Egg's science facility. Just one is enough to keep Sonic on his toes... imagine the capacity for destruction that a dozen released at once might be able to inflict?

[LaserX5]

Why do I get the feeling that Eggman's gonna win in this arc? Sure anything can happen, but that's just me.

Maybe the fact the next issue mentions Eggman rules the land uncontested?

Actually, Snively has feelings for her and just wants them to be together because they're family. In fact, he states that he wants to start a new life and have a family with Regina.

Sadly though, his efforts are futile. Snively states that if they all band together, they can topple the Eggman Empire and rule all of Mobius as “one big happy family”. But when Hope hears this, she becomes angry and slaps him across the face. This then leads to a huge argument, which ends with Hope forcing Snively to get out of the city and out of her life. Snively reluctantly complies and leaves, with both of their eyes in tears.

Damn. That's extremely sad.

But in a way, I'm glad that Snively gets some sympathy for once. I guess he's not that heartless after all.

I see.

Hmmm...

Well, while I wouldn't mind showing a warmer side of Snively, I think in this case him subtly trying to get Hope to help him get the G.U.N army on his side for the sake of dealing with Eggman rather than just saying, "Let's all be one big happy family and band together." would have worked better.

Maybe even eventually sneak in the part about her being apart of his family with Regina later on.

Actually, Metal Sonic has been destroyed countless times before. Heck, his first appearance in the Sonic CD adaptation ended with him crashing into a wall.

I'm not saying I don't want to see Metal Sonic destroyed, but I am really get sick of Ian putting Metal Sonic in so frequently just to see it blown up in 1-3 issues.

That completely ruins any credibility this bot has as a villain.

Actually, what I'm really surprised about is that Eggman doesn't rebuild Silver Sonic III and let it fight along Mecha Sally instead.

I liked that machine. It had alot of potential.

I'm sorry..Robotnic Eggman..Whatever. And Snively both look so dumb. This is probably the largest reason now why I don;t read the comics. The bad guys look like pansy ass school kids who spend their days picking flowers and eating grass.

Wow, that's a harsh analogy, but a true one.

Hate to be a nitpicker here, but here it goes; he was destroyed twice, first in the Sonic CD Adaptation, then in the Chaotix one, before rebuilding himself and willingly sacrificing his own life in his third, final appearance. And as for the Eggman produced ones, they're not rebuilt versions of the same model; they're new iterations of the Metal Sonic design... given how many Eggman can seem to pop out, one must wonder why he doesn't simply build them en-masse and let them loose, even with only the Death Egg's science facility. Just one is enough to keep Sonic on his toes... imagine the capacity for destruction that a dozen released at once might be able to inflict?

Or how about actually just upgrading one for a change like he did with Sally when she was turned into a robot.

Metal Sonic wasn't known to be this weak or so expendable before.

Seriously, what is Ian thinking here? He brings all these cool robots in just to have them blown up within 1-2 issues?

What's the point in having them there then if they aren't going to do some damage?

Quality before Quantity, Ian...

[MistressAli]

As much as I like Sniv and Hope, and him trying to free ole Queeny... this storyline has me a bit worried. It seems like it could be a way for Sniv to be written out of the book. Either by freeing Regina and going away for the 'happy ever after' ending, or by being killed or roboticized for his insolence by Egghead. Considering the way other SatAM-based characters are ending up...
If there's even a threat he could be written out, I'd really just prefer for Regina to break his heart by showing she didn't really love him, and have a sad and mopey Sniv go back to Eggman. ...and then have happy sex-times with Lien-da. Yes. YESSSSSSS! *ahem*

I'm sorry..Robotnic Eggman..Whatever. And Snively both look so dumb. This is probably the largest reason now why I don;t read the comics. The bad guys look like pansy ass school kids who spend their days picking flowers and eating grass.

Who eats grass? Maybe smoke it...
I personally love how they draw Snively now (most of the time) And how they give him better body proportions. It's not like he was ever threatening-looking to begin with in SatAM
Eggman on the other hand... Julian was definitely more scary.

[LaserX5]

I personally love how they draw Snively now (most of the time) And how they give him better body proportions. It's not like he was ever threatening-looking to begin with in SatAM

Really? I thought he a lil threatening in this get up at the end of Season 2.

Eggman on the other hand... Julian was definitely more scary.

Definitely.

Robotnik Prime >>> Eggman

[MistressAli]

Hmmm... well I read this issue today and I have some mixed feelings.* CUE LONG ALI BLABBING ABOUT SNIVELY HERE* I've always adored Sniv/Hope and *ahem* hoped they got more page time. So reading this, I'm kind of relishing their heated little argument and Hope's bitch slap and all that... but there are some tihngs that bug.

Overall, I don't mind how things went down - ie; Hope not going with Sniv, getting mad at him and etc...

But the things that DO bother me...
Sniv's little meglomanical fit there. (For those who didn't read it, Sniv tries to convince Hope to come with him so they (and Regina, once he frees her) can live as a big happy family. Yeah... Hope looks like she's about to go with, and then Snively suddenly goes all evil and crows how they can all ruuuuule the world together! *insert evil laugh here*)

Not sure why Ian likes to write Sniv as a bonehead Maybe living with Eggman has weakened Snively's abilities to hold his emotions in? (After all, Julian would never tolerate Sniv calling him an idiot or anything of that sort like Eggman does) But certainly, the course of action for getting Hope to come with him doesn't seem to include outbursts of ruling the world and shit. I mean, really. The last time they saw each other, Hope was pissed at him for torching Knothole and betraying her trust. So he comes in and gets her trust... and then evilly announces they can rule the world together? WTF.
Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to imply they can take down Eggman together? (Hope does want that) Or not say anything at all? Why the craziness? Or perhaps Eggman's voice could've come shouting over city via loudspeaker... 'I know you want to take my realm from me, Snively, and that's not going to happen!' And THEN cue the Hope outraged bitchslap. Or perhaps Sniv could've even just muttered it to himself and Hope overheard him. I DUNNO, man. But there HAD to have been a better way for that shit to go down.
URGH... it just bugs me when Ian writes Sniv soooo brainlessly....
BAHHHH WHUTEVER.

I also don't get Ian bringing up this 'Hope and Sniv aren't related' crap. Yes, Hope was introduced as being Colin Sr's stepdaughter, but from that point on, it was always implied that Hope was related to Snively and Eggman. When she first met Sniv, they were introduced as being step-siblings. In the issue where Sniv leaves Knothole and warns Hope, he thinks about how Hope is related to them. Hope also calls him 'half-brother' in another issue. I'm not sure I get the part in SU 38 where Hope is like 'why would my Grandma and dad lie about us not being related'. It was never shown that she had any doubts they were related, or anything of that sort. Was it just to make her rejecting Sniv's offer more dramatic? I dunno. Truthfully, I think the panel time could've been used for a better conversation than that... ><

Oh well... looking forward to the next issue, but I'm still worried this is going to be Sniv's write-off from the comics >< After all, Eggman's got those two annoying little robots as lackies now so he can get rid of the SatAM rememenant....

[PuffinGrandeur]

He wasn't at any point hiding that he was trying to take over the world: he didn't understand that Hope wouldn't want that. Because Snively is a very selfish sort of psychopath, he assumed that she'd be okay with it and would like dominating the world as part of a family. Hope has until now been said to be a step-daughter, someone who is not blood-related in any way to the Robotnik family... but happened to look exactly like Maria and had inklings of Robotnik genius.

[MistressAli]

He wasn't at any point hiding that he was trying to take over the world: he didn't understand that Hope wouldn't want that. Because Snively is a very selfish sort of psychopath, he assumed that she'd be okay with it and would like dominating the world as part of a family. Hope has until now been said to be a step-daughter, someone who is not blood-related in any way to the Robotnik family... but happened to look exactly like Maria and had inklings of Robotnik genius.

Sniv is supposed to be a good manipulator. One thing a manipulator does is evaluate a person's 'weaknesses' so they can play on those. Sniv had to live with a violent nutbar for years and years.... I just can't buy that he doesn't know how to 'read' people's emotions and then gauge his words and actions accordingly to save his ass or try to maniuplate the situation in his favor. (Some people have said that Sniv doesn't understand loyalty or love or any of that... but there's a difference between not understanding/feeling something and the ability to observe it and emulate it.)
Snively already knew Hope was pissed at him for torching Knothole previously, and I can't really imagine he thinks she's 'evil' or wants to rule the world. He played on her being lonely and wanting to be with family members. I do believe he likes her and wants her with him, so that could've very well been truthful talk on his part (we'll be happy together, etc) But that truth was also conviently manipulative.
Which is why I don't understand why he would then blow his 'hook-line-and sinker' ploy with the crazy outburst. Unless he really was sooo giddy and pleased with himself that he couldn't help it

Some people peg Sniv as a pyschpath, and I'm ok with that. It's their opinion of the character and it fits with most of his behavior. I've never seen him as a pyschopath/sociopath myself. They have no feelings of empathy or compassion because they were born without it. It's not their fault, really. I do believe Sniv was born with a normal capactiy for empathy, but years of being mistreated has deadened it. He cares about Hope... why bother to warn her about Knothole if he didn't? He loves Regina in his own way. In a way, a person who ISN'T pyscho/sociopathic and still ACTS like it is even worse... at least a pyscho/sociopath can't really 'help it', but the non-nutcase can. They just choose not to.

Yeah, I understand about Hope being the stepdaughter... I just found it odd to bring up the relations. They might not have been blood-related, but Hope AND Sniv always referred to each other as half-siblings previously anyway. I guess SU 38 was just cementing the fact that they're blood-related, but it seemed like a waste of space. Unless it comes into play in a future story somehow...

Yeah, I'm a Sniv nut. Get me talking about him and I'll never shut up

[MoonPrincess07]

Honestly, should Snively be written out of the comic, I may just give up on it altogether. I LOVE reading about him because I find him interestingly complex and relatable.

[RedAuthar]

...Whoa whoa whoa! See Sally getting Robotized is hard enough to swallow...They better not just SIMPLY write him out!

[PuffinGrandeur]

Sniv is supposed to be a good manipulator. One thing a manipulator does is evaluate a person's 'weaknesses' so they can play on those.

Is he, really? Outside of the escargot bit, he's never exactly been the master of that sort of thing. And you have to understand again, that Snively isn't trying to manipulate her here. That becomes pretty obvious halfway into the speech, but there's no indication that any of what he says is insincere at all. He just doesn't understand WHY she wouldn't want to conquer the world even if she had a family, and thus brings it up without any thought of it. In the same vein, his response to Hope when she brings up the Knothole torchings isn't that he's sorry: it's that he got HER out of there, proving he cares about her.

It is wrong to say he doesn't have any empathy or compassion at all. He's got a LITTLE... but mostly it's only in ways that can be reflected into himself. He cares about Regina, his girlfriend. He cares about Hope, his family. He doesn't give a rat's rear about Eggman, his abusive family: and he cared about his father, but only when he could gloat (otherwise being completely fine with offing the man.) But he's never, NEVER cared about a Mobian or a human who wasn't either blood related or dating him. His entire personality is based around being self-entitled and sneaky (not manipulative, but somewhat clever.)

The blood bit's sort of just a retcon and a way to have them be a little bit closer. That part's just a little detail.

[MistressAli]

Is he, really?

He totally is.

Ok, maybe he isn't trying to manipulate Hope. (But to use, say... a compulsive liar for example... maybe he just compulsively tries to spin every conversation in his favor.) I do believe he was speaking the truth, speaking from the heart, but that doesn't mean he didn't choose particular words to get her to agree with him. Speaking truthfully doesn't mean one speaks without thought. He should've known when to bite his tongue, the silly little bugger.

He just doesn't understand WHY she wouldn't want to conquer the world even if she had a family, and thus brings it up without any thought of it. In the same vein, his response to Hope when she brings up the Knothole torchings isn't that he's sorry: it's that he got HER out of there, proving he cares about her.

I guess this just where I differ in the way I portray the character. I think they write him too clueless. I don't see him as being so clueless he can't figure out a sweet girl like her doesn't want to forcefully conquer people and rule over them I guess that IS how Archie writes him so maybe it WAS a 'logical' thing for him to think.. but it doesn't fit my view of him. Eh.. Oh well.

It is wrong to say he doesn't have any empathy or compassion at all. He's got a LITTLE... but mostly it's only in ways that can be reflected into himself. He cares about Regina, his girlfriend. He cares about Hope, his family. He doesn't give a rat's rear about Eggman, his abusive family: and he cared about his father, but only when he could gloat (otherwise being completely fine with offing the man.)

Right, I agree with this. I just don't jive with the notion that he has no sense of empathy at all. ^^ Makes the character too hopeless (no room for change) and also is too easy a way to explain his actions (ie: "he's just evil, that's why he does bad things." I prefer a little more complexity than that )

The blood bit's sort of just a retcon and a way to have them be a little bit closer. That part's just a little detail.

Yeah. But could've been left out for some better conversation. Or more slapping.