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[salamander]

No kidding. Don't say all the SatAM fans could care less about Ant's death. WTH. I like Antoine! Both seasons, even.
And just to clarify, I prefer SatAM Antoine to Archie's. I'm not sure why every character has to be brave and noble. Why one character can't behave in a manner that many humans would (ie: trying to save their own skin, being afraid, trying to cover up their fear with pompousness, etc...) Yeah, they overdid it at times.
When Ant started becoming a true figher in Archie... I tuned out. It didn't feel like him.

Yes yes a thousand times yes. It's like they totally took away his personality and made him a boring knight. It's like the need for him to be yet another battle character was more important than making him interesting.
Antoine is my favorite character, bar none. Yet I read 234 and felt nothing. He's not the same character. He's a generic swordfighter with an accent.
Interestingly, in Satam Ant never even owned a sword. Maybe because Satam wasn't 90% fight scenes so they had room for characters who did stuff other than fighting.

[fishtheimpaler]

I guess that's part of it

I think part of it too is that because the characters are so malleable, I just don't feel like there are any stakes. Change a character infinitely one way, you can change him or her back the same, at will.

[MoKat]

No kidding. Don't say all the SatAM fans could care less about Ant's death. WTH. I like Antoine! Both seasons, even.
And just to clarify, I prefer SatAM Antoine to Archie's. I'm not sure why every character has to be brave and noble. Why one character can't behave in a manner that many humans would (ie: trying to save their own skin, being afraid, trying to cover up their fear with pompousness, etc...) Yeah, they overdid it at times.
When Ant started becoming a true figher in Archie... I tuned out. It didn't feel like him.

Yes yes a thousand times yes. It's like they totally took away his personality and made him a boring knight. It's like the need for him to be yet another battle character was more important than making him interesting.
Antoine is my favorite character, bar none. Yet I read 234 and felt nothing. He's not the same character. He's a generic swordfighter with an accent.

I agree that the Archie incarnation of Ant isn't nearly as interesting Satam Ant, who had to make a real effort to "get a grip" and choke down his fears. Take a certain scene in Cry of the Wolf for example. Ant could have gone back to Knothole with Dulcy. However, after arguing with himself, he decided that Sally's safety was more important than his own.
[" My Princess or my safety. I am knowing I will be too sorry. I am knowing this is a terrible mistake. I am knowing I am too stupid!"]

Interestingly, in Satam Ant never even owned a sword. Maybe because Satam wasn't 90% fight scenes so they had room for characters who did stuff other than fighting.

*applauds loudly*
Well said, Salamander!

[LaserX5]

.I think Laser has a good point there. If there was time enough to grab Extreme Gear, there was time enough for some of the gang to grab better weapons...or at the very least energy shields. You don't bring (just) a knife to a gunfight; ideally ya bring a gun (or 3), lots of ammo, -and- a knife

Thank you.

That's the point I was trying to make.

Plus, them having hoverboards out of the blue also deeply bothers me.

If they had those to begin with, then why didn't Sonic or any of his friends use them to fly up to the Death Egg to maybe perhaps prevent Eggman from doing his vile handiwork on Sally as a robot?

Was attending Geoffrey's trial really that much more important than trying to rescue her?

You know, I really don't get Ian's thought process one bit on this whole story of his.

Then again, maybe I do...

[LogiTeeka]

Plus, them having hoverboards out of the blue also deeply bothers me.

If they had those to begin with, then why didn't Sonic or any of his friends use them to fly up to the Death Egg to maybe perhaps prevent Eggman from doing his vile handiwork on Sally as a robot?

Maybe they were left behind by the Battle Bird Armada. I mean, the Babylon Rouges weren't the only ones that used Extream Gear, it's common equipment used by the troops of the organization. And the Armada came after the Death Egg left, so there's no way they could've battled the station with the gear.

Was attending Geoffrey's trial really that much more important than trying to rescue her?

I'm sure Sonic was just as desprate to get to the bottom of this conspiracy as the fans were. Plus they had no idea where the Death Egg disappeared to, so I guess they needed some time to recover.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

If Ant would be still a complete coward. I think the King & the FF would have fired him.

[saber16]

I need to agree here. I did like Ant as a character quite a bit

As for Dulcy... I think the potential could have been there for her to be a interesting character. Sadly that was over shadowed by all her annoying attributes.

Actually, I agree with you on both counts.

I remember hating Antoine's character when I was a kid because of how annoying he got. Yeah, he's annoying in the show, but I personally like him being part of the group. My only real gripe was he didn't get much character developement as the series went on, but he had his moments. In the comics, I like how he got tougher over time, but I need to go back and read the older issues to see how he changes over time.

Dulcy... There were moments I kind of liked her character, like when she got hot headed with Snively or when she got on Antoine's case for talking crap about Soinc in No Brainer. I even got a bit of a laugh in the opening from the Odd Couple, the lack of communication between her, Antoine and Sonic was actually kind of funny.
... Then you have all the painfully unfunny gags they force down your throat. She has potential to be a good character, she just happened to come into the series at a poor time.

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind seeing her show up in Sea3on. I could see Gorjira doing her justice.

Just... not a lot of those damned "Ma" jokes... gah.

[Keen Bean]

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, and just noticed it myself, but take a look at the bottom right-hand corner of the monitor on the cover of issue 235. Just do a Google search for it, the several covers I've looked at are all the same. Recognize somebody?

Speediest recovery ever? Does Naugus once again use his powers to "heal?" Will this cover be changed before it is released?

Also, notice Mecha-Sally hasn't been "improved" yet. Either the cover will be changed, or Silver may go back in time to before issue 234... those are the only two options I can think of.

[PuffinGrandeur]

OR he's looking at a painting and thus it isn't entirely accurate in the first place. Bunny and Antoine are very hidden, but Naugus' magic doesn't heal normal injuries.

[DCC]

I liked Antione better in Archie, less annoying, so I am hoping he is ok. Plus I like his relationship with Bunnie.

[Keen Bean]

OR he's looking at a painting and thus it isn't entirely accurate in the first place. Bunny and Antoine are very hidden, but Naugus' magic doesn't heal normal injuries.

Didn't think about it being a painting, but now that I look at it, it really does look way more like a mural than a computer monitor. Maybe Silver sees the mural, notices himself in it and thinks "that means I must go back in time to that moment (before Mecha-Sally's enhancements and Antoine's injury)"

Then again, the cover of Sonic Universe 38 has Mecha-Sallly with the enhancements, and this is suppose to take place at least after 234, possibly 235. So either the cover will need to change on 235, or whatever Silver does in that comic will turn out to have little to no effect... then again maybe I'm looking in to this way too much, haha.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I was thinking that the mural wasn't focused on any single moment in time. Silver's coming back in 235, but that's definitely after this latest issue. So she's already upgraded, he's already down... whatever he IS here for, it probably isn't to stop that.

[LaserX5]

Maybe they were left behind by the Battle Bird Armada. I mean, the Babylon Rouges weren't the only ones that used Extream Gear, it's common equipment used by the troops of the organization. And the Armada came after the Death Egg left, so there's no way they could've battled the station with the gear.

Ok, but that still doesn't fully explain why all of a sudden they have hoverboards.

Was there any indication in SU that the Armada left them behind? And if they did, why would they? Isn't that valuable equipment?

I'm sure Sonic was just as desperate to get to the bottom of this conspiracy as the fans were. Plus they had no idea where the Death Egg disappeared to, so I guess they needed some time to recover.

Ok, I can buy that somewhat, but everyone just seemed a little too eager IMO to just, "wait"

Tails, Amy, even Knuckles, whenever Sonic mentioned a plan going, they all shot it down in not so many words.

And then at the end of the day, it's like even Sonic gave it up too.

I don't know... the attitude Ian had the Freedom Fighters display towards Sally's roboticization really bothers me, even now...

Yes, they were affected and a bit upset inside, but none of them except for Sonic even wanted to try and save Sally from the Death Egg if possible.

Why? Didn't they care at all what Eggman could do to her?

234 was a grand example of what happens when you let a madman with too much time on his hands do his vile handiwork.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Indeed, that Eggman's a dangerous player.

[LogiTeeka]

I'm sure Sonic was just as desperate to get to the bottom of this conspiracy as the fans were. Plus they had no idea where the Death Egg disappeared to, so I guess they needed some time to recover.

Ok, I can buy that somewhat, but everyone just seemed a little too eager IMO to just, "wait"

Tails, Amy, even Knuckles, whenever Sonic mentioned a plan going, they all shot it down in not so many words.

And then at the end of the day, it's like even Sonic gave it up too.

I don't know... the attitude Ian had the Freedom Fighters display towards Sally's roboticization really bothers me, even now...

Yes, they were affected and a bit upset inside, but none of them except for Sonic even wanted to try and save Sally from the Death Egg if possible.

Why? Didn't they care at all what Eggman could do to her?

After all that went on, with Naugus becoming king, Geoffrey's apparent betrayal, Nicole becoming an outcast, the Death Egg attacking New Mobotropolis, fallowed by the Battle Bird Armada destroying the castle; a lot of the Freedom Fighters probably felt really hopeless. And with news of Sally's roboticization, it must've really took a blow to their spirits.

But since Sonic is the srongest and most loyal of the group, he is able to keep up his stregnth. Unlike the others who are beginning to loose hope in succeeding, Sonic (despite his losses) has the urge to continue the fight and take back what he once held dear.

The current story may have its ups and downs, but the whole thing hasn't been revealed yet. We don't know how it will end. Like Sonic, I feel that we should all keep moving forward and confront anything we may come across. Unfortunately, most fans seem to stick to the past and cry and moan about their "younger years when everything was better", even if times aren't really that different.

[LaserX5]

After all that went on, with Naugus becoming king, Geoffrey's apparent betrayal, Nicole becoming an outcast, the Death Egg attacking New Mobotropolis, fallowed by the Battle Bird Armada destroying the castle; a lot of the Freedom Fighters probably felt really hopeless. And with news of Sally's roboticization, it must've really took a blow to their spirits.

But since Sonic is the strongest and most loyal of the group, he is able to keep up his strength. Unlike the others who are beginning to loose hope in succeeding, Sonic (despite his losses) has the urge to continue the fight and take back what he once held dear.

Yes, I'm aware it did indeed deliver a blow to their spirits.

Still, they just seemed to give up way too easy.

Knuckles didn't even have the excuse of being on the front-lines and suffering harm. He just gave a dumb reason for not helping when Sonic asked.

That's what really made me think Ian didn't want them to attempt to save her at all. When Knuckles, who wasn't fatigued in the least and he too gives a lame excuse, something is DEFINITELY up.

Like Sonic, I feel that we should all keep moving forward and confront anything we may come across. Unfortunately, most fans seem to stick to the past and cry and moan about their "younger years when everything was better", even if times aren't really that different.

Ok, I can agree we should confront anything we may come across...

But, I have to say, the younger years of Sonic were definitely better than the latter. I'm sorry, but it's true.

I know that sounds like stuck in the past thinking, as I've been accused of by some other Sonic fans...

Still, I'm a big believer in, if something is working, don't change it. Modify it somewhat to keep it fresh if necessary, but DON'T EVER change a good thing. It almost always leads to problems.

When I think of what made Sonic a cool series to be a fan of, it's not the new games and stories, but the classics that gave him his luster.

Sonic unfortunately is so different now from the 90's, that it's really quite sad.

It's one reason why I have yet to embrace anything of the modern Sonic and pretty much stick to the classic version of him, both games and comics. He was much better then.

But, that's just my opinion.

[Shadow]

Antoine won't be dead forever. He'll be back. This is how comics work you know.

[blue]

Antoine won't be dead forever. He'll be back. This is how comics work you know.

Maybe. We shall see.

After all that went on, with Naugus becoming king, Geoffrey's apparent betrayal, Nicole becoming an outcast, the Death Egg attacking New Mobotropolis, fallowed by the Battle Bird Armada destroying the castle; a lot of the Freedom Fighters probably felt really hopeless. And with news of Sally's roboticization, it must've really took a blow to their spirits.

But since Sonic is the strongest and most loyal of the group, he is able to keep up his strength. Unlike the others who are beginning to loose hope in succeeding, Sonic (despite his losses) has the urge to continue the fight and take back what he once held dear.

Yes, I'm aware it did indeed deliver a blow to their spirits.

Still, they just seemed to give up way too easy.

Knuckles didn't even have the excuse of being on the front-lines and suffering harm. He just gave a dumb reason for not helping when Sonic asked.

That's what really made me think Ian didn't want them to attempt to save her at all. When Knuckles, who wasn't fatigued in the least and he too gives a lame excuse, something is DEFINITELY up.

Like Sonic, I feel that we should all keep moving forward and confront anything we may come across. Unfortunately, most fans seem to stick to the past and cry and moan about their "younger years when everything was better", even if times aren't really that different.

Ok, I can agree we should confront anything we may come across...

But, I have to say, the younger years of Sonic were definitely better than the latter. I'm sorry, but it's true.

I know that sounds like stuck in the past thinking, as I've been accused of by some other Sonic fans...

Still, I'm a big believer in, if something is working, don't change it. Modify it somewhat to keep it fresh if necessary, but DON'T EVER change a good thing. It almost always leads to problems.

When I think of what made Sonic a cool series to be a fan of, it's not the new games and stories, but the classics that gave him his luster.

Sonic unfortunately is so different now from the 90's, that it's really quite sad.

It's one reason why I have yet to embrace anything of the modern Sonic and pretty much stick to the classic version of him, both games and comics. He was much better then.

But, that's just my opinion.

Then what happens they don't change its own quo for a long time and people get tired of it?

[LaserX5]

Then what happens they don't change its own quo for a long time and people get tired of it?

I never said don't change anything.

But when something is working, why mess with it?

Maybe tinker with things here and there for a change of pace, but it has to be done with caution. Sometimes, changes makes things worse.

[blue]

Then what happens they don't change its own quo for a long time and people get tired of it?

I never said don't change anything.

But when something is working, why mess with it?

Maybe tinker with things here and there for a change of pace, but it has to be done with caution. Sometimes, changes makes things worse.

OK, you do have a point.