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I have bad news, Antoine is ****. If you thought sally turning into a robot, then look at # 234. At first, I thought it might be Elias or King Max, but now... It feels like Ian Flynn is going to crush both SatAM and Archie fans' spirit and spit at their face for the sake of breaking the norm. I not going to be really upset, but I know some if not most would. I hate to say it, but I was a Deus ex Machina would come to fix it later on, but it feels like it's not going to happen. Although this might be too early, we'll just see at the next issue. At the same time I'm a bit impressed to do this risky move, but my point still stands. Well, I hate to say it, but some of you guys are asking it because you thought and said Ian Flynn was repetitive, predictable, and less risky as a writer. That's probably why he roboticize Sally and Ixis Naugus becoming king.
Be careful what you wish for, it just might grant it.

[furrykef]

Antoine is four stars?

I may respect Roger Ebert but Antoine does not deserve that many

[Ann Chovi]

Well, I hate to say it, but some of you guys are asking it because you thought and said Ian Flynn was repetitive, predictable, and less risky as a writer.

Honestly, I say he's too predictable as a writer BECAUSE he pulls this s*** all the time. Ever read Other M? He was snuffing out favorite characters left and right for shock value, it's what he does. So, as annoyed as I am that our favorite french coyote seems to have bought it- I can't say I'm suprised by this turn of events considering the writers flair for the over-dramatic. If he wants to suprise people, he should try writing a story arc where the good guys win for once. That would confuse and confound everyone familiar with his work. :/

I'm just waiting for him to write himself into a corner once he's killed off so many main characters that there is no further direction for the comic to run in.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Antoine is clearly still alive, how are people getting fooled by this

Also if you want to read about the heroes winning, you should try 167, 173, 174, 177, 188, 196, 198, 200, 206, 207, 211, 214, 216, 218, and 229. I find it hilarious that people bitch about how easy things are for the heroes while simultaneously bitching that they get too hard a time. Amazingly, the number of main characters Ian has killed off up to this point?

It's zero.

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Antoine is four stars?

I may respect Roger Ebert but Antoine does not deserve that many

It's censorship for people who didn't read issue 234 because I don't how to cover. Although your joke on my comment did made me chuckle.

Well, I hate to say it, but some of you guys are asking it because you thought and said Ian Flynn was repetitive, predictable, and less risky as a writer.

Honestly, I say he's too predictable as a writer BECAUSE he pulls this s*** all the time. Ever read Other M? He was snuffing out favorite characters left and right for shock value, it's what he does. So, as annoyed as I am that our favorite french coyote seems to have bought it- I can't say I'm suprised by this turn of events considering the writers flair for the over-dramatic. If he wants to suprise people, he should try writing a story arc where the good guys win for once. That would confuse and confound everyone familiar with his work. :/

I'm just waiting for him to write himself into a corner once he's killed off so many main characters that there is no further direction for the comic to run in.

You know, the I more learn about his fan fic, the more I started to doubt my interest on the Other M. I would admit that I have never seen the Other M.

Antoine is clearly still alive, how are people getting fooled by this

Also if you want to read about the heroes winning, you should try 167, 173, 174, 177, 188, 196, 198, 200, 206, 207, 211, 214, 216, 218, and 229. I find it hilarious that people bitch about how easy things are for the heroes while simultaneously bitching that they get too hard a time. Amazingly, the number of main characters Ian has killed off up to this point?

It's zero.

Even if Antoine is alive, that is still a slap in the face for SatAM and Archie fans who are familiar with the character.

[LogiTeeka]

Antoine is clearly still alive, how are people getting fooled by this

Also if you want to read about the heroes winning, you should try 167, 173, 174, 177, 188, 196, 198, 200, 206, 207, 211, 214, 216, 218, and 229. I find it hilarious that people bitch about how easy things are for the heroes while simultaneously bitching that they get too hard a time. Amazingly, the number of main characters Ian has killed off up to this point?

It's zero.

So true.

But then again, most of the comic's readers are Sonic fans. And as we all know, most Sonic fans tend to be incredibly nitpicky and will bitch about nearly everything.

Even if Antoine is alive, that is still a slap in the face for SatAM and Archie fans who are familiar with the character.

I'll have to disagree. From what I've read of the issues' plot summary, Antoine gets injured in a heroic act. If anything, this makes him an even stronger character; especially when you compare him to his overly-cowardly Satam portrayal.

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Antoine is clearly still alive, how are people getting fooled by this

Also if you want to read about the heroes winning, you should try 167, 173, 174, 177, 188, 196, 198, 200, 206, 207, 211, 214, 216, 218, and 229. I find it hilarious that people bitch about how easy things are for the heroes while simultaneously bitching that they get too hard a time. Amazingly, the number of main characters Ian has killed off up to this point?

It's zero.

So true.

But then again, most of the comic's readers are Sonic fans. And as we all know, most Sonic fans tend to be incredibly nitpicky and will bitch about nearly everything.

Even if Antoine is alive, that is still a slap in the face for SatAM and Archie fans who are familiar with the character.

I'll have to disagree. From what I've read of the issues' plot summary, Antoine gets injured in a heroic act. If anything, this makes him an even stronger character; especially when you compare him to his overly-cowardly Satam portrayal.

You do have a point about Antoine being heroic and most Sonic fans would nitpick anything wrong, big or small, and it could anything other than ****(probably I got overly reacted about it on the first few times I saw), but that's my point of view.

[LaserX5]

Well, I hate to say it, but some of you guys are asking it because you thought and said Ian Flynn was repetitive, predictable, and less risky as a writer. That's probably why he roboticize Sally and Ixis Naugus becoming king.
Be careful what you wish for, it just might grant it.

So that's a good reason to put the fans on the edge to the point of cringing and upsetting them too because he couldn't handle a little criticism?

Nothing personal, but that's like saying if Ian had kids and they complained about him being too strict as a Dad, he'd repel all the rules for awhile as a means to shut them up and show why they have rules in the first place.

No, I really think there's more going on behind the scenes than we're even aware about.

What it is exactly, I don't know for sure.

I wish I did though...

I'll have to disagree. From what I've read of the issues' plot summary, Antoine gets injured in a heroic act. If anything, this makes him an even stronger character; especially when you compare him to his overly-cowardly Satam portrayal.

While I admit it was a bit heroic on his part, I actually found it more of a crazy move than anything.

Seriously, even if there was no bomb in Metal Sonic for Eggman to detonate, why in the world were Antoine and Bunnie on the front lines to begin with?

They had no weapons to properly defend themselves(Antoine's sword doesn't count) and it felt it like they were just there for extra targets for Eggman's robots to beat up on.

[PuffinGrandeur]

You always think there's more behind the scenes.
How is this a slap in the face to anybody? So he got hurt. So things are tense right now. How is that necessarily bad? Is a good writer going to have Antoine come out unscathed and victorious at everything he does? Is making things dangerous something that should be AVOIDED because the fans asked for it? This is all very big and some of it's shocking, but it's hardly out of control.

Keeping Antoine alive is what's a slap in the face for SataM fans, considering his character in the original show.

[furrykef]

Keeping Antoine alive is what's a slap in the face for SataM fans, considering his character in the original show.

If you said this about any other main character I might respect the idea or even agree, but come on, this is Antoine. The guy had no dignity in the first place.

[LaserX5]

You always think there's more behind the scenes.

So I'm a bit of a conspiracist on the inside.

How is this a slap in the face to anybody? So he got hurt. So things are tense right now. How is that necessarily bad? Is a good writer going to have Antoine come out unscathed and victorious at everything he does? Is making things dangerous something that should be AVOIDED because the fans asked for it? This is all very big and some of it's shocking, but it's hardly out of control.

I think you misinterpreted my post from above(again)

I never said I was against Antoine suffering harm.

I admit I probably would do something similar if I was in Ian's shoes.

But what really bothered me about it is the fact he seemed to be there just to take the blast, as if nothing more than cannon fodder for another unnecessary shock value scene.

Plus, why would Eggman have it detonate against Antoine anyway?

If he's a wimp and not that much of a threat as a Freedom Fighter as you claim, why not have it explode on someone like Sonic or Tails instead, who are indeed more serious threats?

Oh wait...

What
Keeping Antoine alive is what's a slap in the face for SataM fans, considering his character in the original show.

Wow, that's harsh, man.

I admit I don't like Antoine much myself, but at least if you're going to maim or kill him, then do it right.

Have it so he did something that indeed more heroic instead of very risky, like when Ash took the explosion for Mina in her dressing room.

As much as I like dislike Ash, that was his finest moment, showing he wasn't just a cold hearted jerk and did care about Mina deep down.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Antoine ain't a wimp or useless (in Archie.) He's a pretty beloved and useful character, and isn't considered untouchable either by mandates, or Eggman's current modus operandi (remember, he doesn't even think he CAN win against Sonic directly.) He was actually a bit surprised that he had even blown up Antoine, who was there JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS to take down Eggman. Honestly, "he was only there to be cannon fodder?" Did you actually read the issue, or are you doing the bit where you don't actually read the issue and just assume what happened based on a spoiler again?

[Tennyo]

Something bad happened to a character in a story guys.

Drama? Plot? What are these things?

I want fluffy bunnies and the heroes to have an easy go of it.

Why would I want an interesting story?

[furrykef]

Antoine ain't a wimp or useless (in Archie.) He's a pretty beloved and useful character

Yes, but you said keeping Antoine alive was a slap in the face to SatAM fans, and I was just pointing out that SatAM fans got a pretty lousy Antoine in the first place

[MoonPrincess07]

I haven't gotten 234 yet (I'm blaming the mailman....and President's Day. -.-), but I kind of enjoy the dissonance right now. Besides, as a writer to a popular comic, there's no way Ian will be able to please everyone. As for Antoine.... It's Antoine. His reasoning is justifiable in his own way.

In other pointless news, Amanda Seyfried had a mini horse named Antoine.

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You always think there's more behind the scenes.
How is this a slap in the face to anybody? So he got hurt. So things are tense right now. How is that necessarily bad? Is a good writer going to have Antoine come out unscathed and victorious at everything he does? Is making things dangerous something that should be AVOIDED because the fans asked for it? This is all very big and some of it's shocking, but it's hardly out of control.

Keeping Antoine alive is what's a slap in the face for SataM fans, considering his character in the original show.

You know, we don't know what's happening behind the scenes and anything can happen.

[LaserX5]

Antoine ain't a wimp or useless (in Archie.) He's a pretty beloved and useful character, and isn't considered untouchable either by mandates, or Eggman's current modus operandi (remember, he doesn't even think he CAN win against Sonic directly.) He was actually a bit surprised that he had even blown up Antoine, who was there JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS to take down Eggman.

Yes, I'm aware of the fact he and Bunnie were there, along with the other Freedom Fighters.

But that still doesn't answer my question why they were apart of those helping protect Elias and his family in the first place.

In the event of an attack, such as Eggman's for example, what could either of them have done to repel it?

Honestly, "he was only there to be cannon fodder?" Did you actually read the issue, or are you doing the bit where you don't actually read the issue and just assume what happened based on a spoiler again?

LOL

If I didn't read the issue, then how'd I know Antoine was blown up by a detonator within Metal Sonic, and that Bunnie was oddly part of those protecting the Acorn family?

Or that Mecha Sally cut the Tornado in two with her new abilities might I add, even saying that throwaway Satam line of Sally retorting where was Sonic when the brains were being passed out?

Seriously, do you always have to use that line on me as a means of superiority?

This forum isn't supposed to be used for trivial matters like that.

You don't like my opinion about this issue, I really don't care. That's your right.

Just please stop trying to make yourself look better with retorts like this already.

Something bad happened to a character in a story guys.

Drama? Plot? What are these things?

I want fluffy bunnies and the heroes to have an easy go of it.

Why would I want an interesting story?

I love drama and plot as much as the next person, when it's well written of course.

I don't want to see a character in a story just to get blown up.

That makes it looks like a cannon fodder moment for them then.

But that's just me...

[PuffinGrandeur]

They could do the same as they always do? Antoine and Bunnie are Freedom Fighters, they appear when Eggman attacks New Mobotropolis about 150% of the time. It would actually be odd if he didn't appear, especially when Elias made a big show of making Eggman know they still had power on their side. I don't even understand how that can't be comprehended. Antoine was there because he's ALWAYS THERE.
As for asking if you read the issue, it's because you never read the issues before making these claims. This is the first time you supposedly have, and even now you're just trying to list some events easily gained from spoiler lists to try and prove it. I don't really care if you've read it by this point, but it definitely makes a debate harder when one half is only making some incredibly crazy assumptions and not bothering to check if they're true before complaining about them. This is not an issue limited to just you, mind.

Yes, but you said keeping Antoine alive was a slap in the face to SatAM fans, and I was just pointing out that SatAM fans got a pretty lousy Antoine in the first place

Ah, maybe I said that wrong. I agree on that, and it was actually my point: SataM fans don't care if Antoine dies, because SataM hates Antoine. It's not a slap in the face to them to get rid of him any more than it was to Archie fans when they killed off Tommy Turtle.


what is going on with my text here WHAT HAVE I DONE

[LaserX5]

They could do the same as they always do? Antoine and Bunnie are Freedom Fighters, they appear when Eggman attacks New Mobotropolis about 150% of the time. It would actually be odd if he didn't appear, especially when Elias made a big show of making Eggman know they still had power on their side. I don't even understand how that can't be comprehended. Antoine was there because he's ALWAYS THERE..

You really like to take my posts out of context, don't you?

I never said Antoine shouldn't have been out there, but pondering why Antoine didn't go with any weapon in hand(besides his sword)

He can fly with a hoverboard, but can't bring a weapon to help repel back a possible attack during the transfer?

As for asking if you read the issue, it's because you never read the issues before making these claims. This is the first time you supposedly have, and even now you're just trying to list some events easily gained from spoiler lists to try and prove it. I don't really care if you've read it by this point, but it definitely makes a debate harder when one half is only making some incredibly crazy assumptions and not bothering to check if they're true before complaining about them. This is not an issue limited to just you, mind.

I read 234 before writing these posts, ok?

Whether you choose to believe me or not on that point, I again do not care.

Still, my opinion about this issue hasn't changed.

If they were going to help transfer Elias and his family to safety, why not have some form of protection to be on the safe side, especially since Eggman by that point was extremely unpredictable?

Even if that Metal Sonic didn't explode, it still would have kicked Antoine's butt because he's not that strong.

And I clearly saw Bunnie was useless in a battle now that she's deroboticized.

Clearly she had no business being out there at all. Her robotics were the only thing that made her any kind of threat to Eggman's robots.

[PuffinGrandeur]

He brought his sword because again, that's what he always brings. Just like Amy always brings her hammer, or Rotor always brings his stomach. They brought out all the Freedom Fighters they had, and even equipped them with some Extreme Gear. It's the same thing they did with the Death Egg, only without one of the planes.