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[HeavensChampion]

 

 

 

 

Don't be a dick.

 

Sounds about right.

Oh, and Ken Penders was DREAMING about getting his characters back?

Well, that dream was my nightmare. Oh wait. That's right. They're not his characters. They're ARCHIE'S characters! (Greedy as they may be)

When a blacksmith forges a crown for a king, who does it belong to? the blacksmith or the king?

 

Ah, but when a Photographer takes a photo of you, the photograph actually belongs to the photographer.  You can't copy/reprint it without their signed permission.  

 

Unless of course you're a public image.....then that's a whole 'nother can of worms. 

 

Touche.

[RedAuthar]

That's why Penders had, keyword "had", a case. Problem is...he should also have signed a waver....and well, we all know the story.

[HeavensChampion]

That's why Penders had, keyword "had", a case. Problem is...he should also have signed a waver....and well, we all know the story.

Why couldn't they BOTH have those characters?

[RedAuthar]

 

That's why Penders had, keyword "had", a case. Problem is...he should also have signed a waver....and well, we all know the story.

Why couldn't they BOTH have those characters?

 

As far as we know they can.  But Archie/SEGA would have to pay royalties to use them, so they won't until further notice.

 

I'm pretty sure the goal is to wait until Penders starts his Laura-Su Chronicles crap so they can send him a cease and desist, because based on Penders's own claims about Archie/SEGA ripping off his characters, his characters would be a rip off of theirs. At that point Archie/SEGA would reclaim the assets.  That's my theory anyways. 

[LogiTeeka]

That's why Penders had, keyword "had", a case. Problem is...he should also have signed a waver....and well, we all know the story.

Why couldn't they BOTH have those characters?

As far as we know they can. But Archie/SEGA would have to pay royalties to use them, so they won't until further notice.

There's also the strict conditions which Penders placed on his creations should they continue to use them. They mostly include stuff centered around the "Mobius 25 years later" storyarc and making the future series absolutely canon.

These conditions, of course, didn't fly well with SEGA, who (as you're probably aware) also have strict conditions regarding the series. Stuff like: Sonic can never be in a romantic relationship and should never be depicted aging. Those are the reasons why Ian made both the M25YL and M30YL stories an "alternate future", as a precaution; but Penders absolutely hated the decision.

[Uncle Ben]

 

 

 

That's why Penders had, keyword "had", a case. Problem is...he should also have signed a waver....and well, we all know the story.

Why couldn't they BOTH have those characters?

As far as we know they can. But Archie/SEGA would have to pay royalties to use them, so they won't until further notice.

There's also the strict conditions which Penders placed on his creations should they continue to use them. They mostly include stuff centered around the "Mobius 25 years later" storyarc and making the future series absolutely canon.

 

 

Those someone said that Penders admitted that if LSC doesnt pan out the way he hopes it does he might be willing to relent on that aspect

[LogiTeeka]

Those someone said that Penders admitted that if LSC doesnt pan out the way he hopes it does he might be willing to relent on that aspect

I still don't see Archie attempting to return to the old continuity, on account of SEGA's direction for the series.

[HeavensChampion]

 

Those someone said that Penders admitted that if LSC doesnt pan out the way he hopes it does he might be willing to relent on that aspect

I still don't see Archie attempting to return to the old continuity, on account of SEGA's direction for the series.

 

In other words, they want us to assume the only one with a family is Cream, and the rest of the game cast just sprang out of holes in the ground. compared to that, blue hedgehogs sound normal.

And in addition, they want us to roll with Sonic being your typical mascot character. Being a mascot sounds like a sad thing, once you think about. You have to have the same personality forever and ever. THANK GOD FOR FANFICTION!

[LogiTeeka]

In other words, they want us to assume the only one with a family is Cream, and the rest of the game cast just sprang out of holes in the ground. compared to that, blue hedgehogs sound normal.

Not exactly. Characters like Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are said to be orphans in the official canon. Sonic is stated to have been raised by the native Mobini of Christmas Island (though the presence of Uncle Chuck could hint towards a possible relationship), Tails never knew his parents and was an outcast due to his deformity, and Knuckles is heavily implied to had parents once, but he never got to know them since they died when he was very young.

And in addition, they want us to roll with Sonic being your typical mascot character. Being a mascot sounds like a sad thing, once you think about. You have to have the same personality forever and ever. THANK GOD FOR FANFICTION!

I dunno. I can think of, at least, a few mascot characters that still hold-up today, despite never receiving any character development. Disney's Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy hardly changed over the years but they still have their lovable charm; Nintendo's Mario and Luigi hardly have any chemistry, but people still enjoy them as brothers; and finally, you got the various superheroes representing DC and Marvel as well, and they're still making comics about them.

The only problem I see with Sonic are the strict mandates surrounding his depiction. Where the other characters are, at least, allowed some leeway for creativity (except Mario), Sonic, as of lately, doesn't seem so lucky. The current exception appears to be the "Boom" series, but only because it has nothing to do with the official version.

[HeavensChampion]

 

In other words, they want us to assume the only one with a family is Cream, and the rest of the game cast just sprang out of holes in the ground. compared to that, blue hedgehogs sound normal.

Not exactly. Characters like Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are said to be orphans in the official canon. Sonic is stated to have been raised by the native Mobini of Christmas Island (though the presence of Uncle Chuck could hint towards a possible relationship), Tails never knew his parents and was an outcast due to his deformity, and Knuckles is implied to have parents once, but they must've died when he was very young.

And in addition, they want us to roll with Sonic being your typical mascot character. Being a mascot sounds like a sad thing, once you think about. You have to have the same personality forever and ever. THANK GOD FOR FANFICTION!

I dunno. I can think of, at least, a few mascot characters that still hold-up today, despite never receiving any character development. Disney's Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy hardly changed over the years but they still have their lovable charm; Nintendo's Mario and Luigi hardly have any chemistry, but people still enjoy them as brothers; and finally, you got the various superheroes representing DC and Marvel as well, and they're still making comics about them.

The only problem I see with Sonic are the strict mandates surrounding his depiction. Where the other characters are, at least, allowed some leeway for creativity, Sonic, as of lately, doesn't seem so lucky. The one current exception appears to be the "Boom" series, but only because it has nothing to do with the official version.

 

I guess I'm more selective when it comes to Sonic.

[Uncle Ben]

 

Those someone said that Penders admitted that if LSC doesnt pan out the way he hopes it does he might be willing to relent on that aspect

I still don't see Archie attempting to return to the old continuity, on account of SEGA's direction for the series.

 

 

I doubt they would return to the old continuity but you never know.

 

Or another GW happens and both old & new get mixed.

 

I doubt that will happen but hey you never know

[HeavensChampion]

 

 

Those someone said that Penders admitted that if LSC doesnt pan out the way he hopes it does he might be willing to relent on that aspect

I still don't see Archie attempting to return to the old continuity, on account of SEGA's direction for the series.

 

 

I doubt they would return to the old continuity but you never know.

 

Or another GW happens and both old & new get mixed.

 

I doubt that will happen but hey you never know

 

Maybe it should.

[HeavensChampion]

 

In other words, they want us to assume the only one with a family is Cream, and the rest of the game cast just sprang out of holes in the ground. compared to that, blue hedgehogs sound normal.

Not exactly. Characters like Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are said to be orphans in the official canon. Sonic is stated to have been raised by the native Mobini of Christmas Island (though the presence of Uncle Chuck could hint towards a possible relationship), Tails never knew his parents and was an outcast due to his deformity, and Knuckles is heavily implied to had parents once, but he never got to know them since they died when he was very young.

 

What does this mean for Robotnik/Eggman? Did Maria and Professor Gerald get retconned?

[RedAuthar]

In other words, they want us to assume the only one with a family is Cream, and the rest of the game cast just sprang out of holes in the ground. compared to that, blue hedgehogs sound normal.

Not exactly. Characters like Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are said to be orphans in the official canon. Sonic is stated to have been raised by the native Mobini of Christmas Island (though the presence of Uncle Chuck could hint towards a possible relationship), Tails never knew his parents and was an outcast due to his deformity, and Knuckles is heavily implied to had parents once, but he never got to know them since they died when he was very young.

And in addition, they want us to roll with Sonic being your typical mascot character. Being a mascot sounds like a sad thing, once you think about. You have to have the same personality forever and ever. THANK GOD FOR FANFICTION!

I dunno. I can think of, at least, a few mascot characters that still hold-up today, despite never receiving any character development. Disney's Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy hardly changed over the years but they still have their lovable charm; Nintendo's Mario and Luigi hardly have any chemistry, but people still enjoy them as brothers; and finally, you got the various superheroes representing DC and Marvel as well, and they're still making comics about them.

The only problem I see with Sonic are the strict mandates surrounding his depiction. Where the other characters are, at least, allowed some leeway for creativity (except Mario), Sonic, as of lately, doesn't seem so lucky. The current exception appears to be the "Boom" series, but only because it has nothing to do with the official version.

I'll have you know Donald Duck has a very expansive family going back many generations on both sides, leaving out only Huey, Dewy, Louie's pop.
Scrooge McDuck even has a age of Death.

[LogiTeeka]

What does this mean for Robotnik/Eggman? Did Maria and Professor Gerald get retconned?

No, they're still present and accounted for (albeit dead). So Eggman/Robotnik still has an implied family, but like Knuckles, they can never explore it deeper. If there's a newly released game which further explores his family tree, then by all means, they'll be allowed to depict them. But considering SEGA's current direction, I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'll have you know Donald Duck has a very expansive family going back many generations on both sides, leaving out only Huey, Dewy, Louie's pop.

Scrooge McDuck even has a age of Death.

As I said, despite never really changing, some of these mascot characters were given creative leeway by their owners. This allowed others to play around with them and give them more depth.

Nintendo's Mario was once one of them. Prior to the infamous live-action movie, Mario was everywhere: from cartoons to comics. And the creatives behind the products were given permission to do whatever they wanted with him. But after the movie, Mario and other Nintendo characters have never appeared in anything else outside of video-games. Recently, they seem to be warming up a bit (what with Bowser appearing in "Wreck-it Ralph" and Donkey Kong appearing in "Pixels"), but I doubt they're going to be making another Mario movie anytime soon.

Sonic is another example. Like Nintendo, ever since the bad-reception of 06 and Penders' run on the comics, SEGA has gotten more strict with their characters since then, out of fear of another disaster. They haven't banned Sonic from appearing in other media yet, but you can tell any of his modern appearances are sticking closer to the official canon. The one exception, so far, appears to be "Boom", but only because it's a spinoff series commissioned by SEGA themselves. There's no telling what direction the upcoming movie will take.

[HeavensChampion]

 

What does this mean for Robotnik/Eggman? Did Maria and Professor Gerald get retconned?

No, they're still present and accounted for (albeit dead). So Eggman/Robotnik still has an implied family, but like Knuckles, they can never explore it deeper. If there's a newly released game which further explores his family tree, then by all means, they'll be allowed to depict them. But considering SEGA's current direction, I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'll have you know Donald Duck has a very expansive family going back many generations on both sides, leaving out only Huey, Dewy, Louie's pop.

Scrooge McDuck even has a age of Death.

As I said, despite never really changing, some of these mascot characters were given creative leeway by their owners. This allowed others to play around with them and give them more depth.

Nintendo's Mario was once one of them. Prior to the infamous live-action movie, Mario was everywhere: from cartoons to comics. And the creatives behind the products were given permission to do whatever they wanted with him. But after the movie, Mario and other Nintendo characters have never appeared in anything else outside of video-games. Recently, they seem to be warming up a bit (what with Bowser appearing in "Wreck-it Ralph" and Donkey Kong appearing in "Pixels"), but I doubt they're going to be making another Mario movie anytime soon.

Sonic is another example. Like Nintendo, ever since the bad-reception of 06 and Penders' run on the comics, SEGA has gotten more strict with their characters since then, out of fear of another disaster. They haven't banned Sonic from appearing in other media yet, but you can tell any of his modern appearances are sticking closer to the official canon. The one exception, so far, appears to be "Boom", but only because it's a spinoff series commissioned by SEGA themselves. There's no telling what direction the upcoming movie will take.

 

Too be fair, The Mario games didn't have much of a story. It was just Mario saving the Princess. Then again, they could have made it an animated movie with more elements from the game. Bowser and his minions being giant turtles for one thing.

[furrykef]

They did have three TV shows before the movie and they did fine with coming up with stories. They did have stupid writing from time to time, but still not anywhere near as bad as the movie.

[HeavensChampion]

They did have three TV shows before the movie and they did fine with coming up with stories. They did have stupid writing from time to time, but still not anywhere near as bad as the movie.

Meh. Guess it was just the whole dinosaur-descended humans living in a parallel New York City that made the movie so bad.

[LogiTeeka]

Too be fair, The Mario games didn't have much of a story. It was just Mario saving the Princess. Then again, they could have made it an animated movie with more elements from the game. Bowser and his minions being giant turtles for one thing.

Actually, the film was originally conceived to be an animated movie. But they decided to make it live-action in the end (possibly to draw in a larger audience).

The first draft (which can be found online, by the way) had it set in a familiar-looking, fantasy world, going for an "Alice in Wonderland" meets "The Wizard of Oz" type of plot. This was probably the closest one to match the games. But thanks to studio executive meddling, the draft was heavily revised at least a dozen times, going through several different genres before finally settling with a sci-fi, dystopian setting.

In fact, it was one of the earlier drafts which caught Bob Hoskins' attention, which is why he signed on to star in the film. But by the time he arrived on set, the movie's direction was drastically changed and it was too late for him to sign out.

[Shadow]

I think even if Penders offered to let Archie have his characters back they wouldn't want them anyway. Too much time has been spent to make this new continuity to just start bringing back the old.