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There are some limitations to this top 3. First of all, no from behind the scenes, no aspects from the current storyline (Sally being roboticized, Geoffery's unexplained Ixis exeprience, Naugus becoming king, etc.), no" it strays away from the SatAM or the SEGA game roots, and it's only on the main comic books, not in the Sonic X comics and the Sonic Universe. So here are my top 3 dumbest moments in the Archie Sonic Comics.
Mobius being the future Earth- I put it there because it looses the fantasy side of the comic. The reason why it's low on the list is because it's suppose to be faithful to the games.
Sally slapping Sonic- This creates unnecessary drama to the comic and its fanbase and is it just me or that slap is a bit too dark for kids(I know there are slaps in American children's media, but that only works on slapstick, comic relief, mature media, and/or in anime, but that's just me)? Though I do understand why she did this.
Sonic and his friends going to school- This to me is the most dumbest moment I ever seen in the comic. Sonic and school just don't mix well. Karl Bollers, why did you come up with this. This is not a good way for Sonic to give him a break from fighting evil doers.
Well that my top 3, let's here your top ??. I was thinking that I should add Sonic's deus ex machina speed tricks, but it's fiction what are we going to do about it.

[RedAuthar]

Wow. The only one I can agree with is the Mobius being future earth thing.

Slap: I think if something doesn't change it becomes stale. Sally and Sonic HAVE to have a off and on relationship otherwise it becomes boring. Also in real life, relationships tend to be bumpy not smooth. Sonic should be no different. Lastly in SatAM and early Comics, their relationship was mostly being formed. That's the part most of us remember/like. New fans get Sonic and Sally already established...so conflict and drama lets them learn to like the relationship.

School: In an effort to believe that Sonic and Co are teenagers or children, I believe in times of peace they should have to struggle to have normal lives (sometimes against their own wishes). Maybe that's just the Spider-man fan in me, but most super heroes aren't super all the time. They have to have normal lives.

Okay my Top 3:

1) Future Earth- Seriously? I'd rather have mobius have it's own world unrelated to ours. Future Earth is just a cheep way to throw in unnecessary characters like those alien squid things. (Though in the games they don't call it mobius so it SORT OF fits...)

2)Mammoth Mongol- Overpowered unbeatable villain? Every time they beat him it is because of luck....villains have to have weaknesses that the heroes can exploit or it causes the heroes to look weak. Now they can struggle for awhile, but please...make the guy beatable!

3)Civil War- Marvel had a Civil War. Get over it. This whole debate over Nichole and Naugus and crap is Archie attempting to do the same thing.

[furrykef]

In no particular order (I'm only really listing the ones I particularly know about; keep in mind my knowledge of the comic beyond #78 is quite limited):
* The Slap
* Mobius = Earth
* Sonic using his super speed to form a water ball to throw at an enemy
* Sonic jumping off a cliff in #47 or #48 and, in the next issue, throwing dirt from his shoe to form a bridge to run on to save himself
* Sonic modulating his speed to form after-images to trick missiles

(Part of what makes the last three so dumb is they're one-off tricks that are never used again. Of course, if they were reused, that wouldn't make for interesting plot, but if they're never reused, you wonder why. Best not to go there in the first place.)

Slap: I think if something doesn't change it becomes stale. Sally and Sonic HAVE to have a off and on relationship otherwise it becomes boring. Also in real life, relationships tend to be bumpy not smooth. Sonic should be no different. Lastly in SatAM and early Comics, their relationship was mostly being formed. That's the part most of us remember/like. New fans get Sonic and Sally already established...so conflict and drama lets them learn to like the relationship.

And this somehow justifies characters acting completely out of character? Not to mention moronic... I don't think anybody could be on Sally's side in that argument. She called him selfish for dedicating himself to helping others. That's just fucking dumb.

[Gojira007]

I second The Slap, big time. As far as I'm concerned, it remains one of the single most grossly out-of-character moments in the entirety of the series to date, an overcooked bit of forced drama that derailed poor Sally for years afterwards. It will always mystify me how the same Karl Bollers who wrote "Hearts Held Hostage" could also write that moment, to be frank.

[blue]

Wow. The only one I can agree with is the Mobius being future earth thing.

Slap: I think if something doesn't change it becomes stale. Sally and Sonic HAVE to have a off and on relationship otherwise it becomes boring. Also in real life, relationships tend to be bumpy not smooth. Sonic should be no different. Lastly in SatAM and early Comics, their relationship was mostly being formed. That's the part most of us remember/like. New fans get Sonic and Sally already established...so conflict and drama lets them learn to like the relationship.

School: In an effort to believe that Sonic and Co are teenagers or children, I believe in times of peace they should have to struggle to have normal lives (sometimes against their own wishes). Maybe that's just the Spider-man fan in me, but most super heroes aren't super all the time. They have to have normal lives.

Okay my Top 3:

1) Future Earth- Seriously? I'd rather have mobius have it's own world unrelated to ours. Future Earth is just a cheep way to throw in unnecessary characters like those alien squid things. (Though in the games they don't call it mobius so it SORT OF fits...)

2)Mammoth Mongol- Overpowered unbeatable villain? Every time they beat him it is because of luck....villains have to have weaknesses that the heroes can exploit or it causes the heroes to look weak. Now they can struggle for awhile, but please...make the guy beatable!

3)Civil War- Marvel had a Civil War. Get over it. This whole debate over Nichole and Naugus and crap is Archie attempting to do the same thing.

You do have a point with the slap and Sonic and co. going to school, but Sally accuses Sonic for being selfish even though he declined it in a regretful tone.

[furrykef]

Just to be clear, I'd have been all for Sally slapping Sonic if she were the least bit justified in doing it. The problem is, she wasn't.

[RedAuthar]

She wasn't supposed to be. It was supposed to be a lose-lose situation. However I don't think it was all that stupid of the comic to do. Sally isn't supposed to be perfect so she can be selfish or make mistakes too.

Anyways...
I have to agree with some of Sonic's Speed abilities too. Especially the ones that he could have used in a similar situation but doesn't

[LaserX5]

My personal dumbest moments going on in Archie Sonic.

1. Ian's current downward spiral arc.


Yes, I know this sounds like me beating a dead horse again, but what's happening now, especially after 230 has left me with such bizarre emotions.

From shock and horror, to anger to disgust, to now laughing while shaking at my head.

I mean, military styled covers on a Sonic comic? Really?


What's next? I mean, seriously?

But anyway... *clears throat* moving on...


2. The Slap


Yes, the slap is still one of my hated issues.

It was completely uncalled for, made little to any sense whatsoever, and seemed to be nothing than a forced and contrived move to break up Sonic and Sally.

Seriously, I wouldn't have been so upset about it had they handled their so called break up with more class.

But to just throw it in the reader's face? Ugh!


3. Sonic and his friends going to school.


Yea, this one I can't just ignore.

The whole concept was just so ridiculous from the get go.

I mean, really, going to school?

What, is this Sonic the hedgehog, drama in high school, or Sonic the hedgehog, the action packed series?

Seriously, I want to know what Archie was thinking on that move.

Thankfully the arc didn't last too long, but still..

Although, I will say one good thing came out of it.

Bunnie was wearing a real snazzy southern styled of outfit.

A nice touch I thought on the comic's part, even though it was a little on the provactive side.

[RedAuthar]

Also the whole Lost in Space arc was pretty dumb. I mean sure it had some cool moments, but it was mostly just pointless Sonic in space.

[blue]

My personal dumbest moments going on in Archie Sonic.

1. Ian's current downward spiral arc.


Yes, I know this sounds like me beating a dead horse again, but what's happening now, especially after 230 has left me with such bizarre emotions.

From shock and horror, to anger to disgust, to now laughing while shaking at my head.

I mean, military styled covers on a Sonic comic? Really?


What's next? I mean, seriously?

i'm sorry, but the first one doesn't count, because this revolves around the comic current situation unless you couldn't resist it.

[blue]

@RedArthar I don't think the Lost in Space arc isn't pointless is because it shows Sonic surviving his sacrifice and tries to find his way home.

[RedAuthar]

That is the okay part. It's just his time spent IN space that is wasted.

[LaserX5]

i'm sorry, but the first one doesn't count, because this revolves around the comic current situation unless you couldn't resist it.

I guess I didn't see that part of your post.

Never mind then...

[zelchias]

Greetings all, a new guy here with my two cents as to the dumbest things produced by this comic.

In no particular order of importance, I give you my top dumbest moments and things from the comics run, the ones I could remember anyway.

Amy's Age Up: A bit of slack could be cut for the writers of the Adventure Arc, for I've heard they were not all that well informed about the story of the game they had to adapt. Fair enough. However, the explanation for Amy's transition to her SA design is just... horrid. She steals a family heirloom from Elias and wastes its miracle wish to age her body up so she can join the FFs and be noticed by Sonic? Its horrifyingly selfish, and deeply disturbing.

The Mass Deroboticization: For the entire run of the comic up until this point, Roboticization was the ultimate horror; a fate worse then death, an obstacle that if overcome would be the most supreme of triumphs for everyone who'd suffered under it. And then aliens came and took it away. Aliens. Deus Ex Machina is too kind a phrase for this, and I'll leave it at that.

The Conclusion of the Great War: This one is a heartbreaker for me because I'm interested in details of the War, and this is otherwise one of my favorite stories from the comic. Which makes it extra painful that this entire war ended in friggin' duel. Out of nowhere, this suddenly became an option, when nothing before supported the idea of the Overlanders being the sort to even ENGAGE in something like this. Just... gaah.

The First 25YL Arc: All that hype, all that suspense, all that speculation, and for what? Slumber Parties, Sonic's Mid Life Crisis, Teen Angst, and stupid Time Travel plots. Not even vague fanservice could save this waste of trees from itself. Prior to his insane bitch-fit, THIS thing was Penders Ugliest Moment, I kid you not.

Prower Political Agenda: Not bad in concept, really. King Max's choices both before and after his exile have been disasterous for everyone involved, and while Elias is a better man than his father he is definitely not fit to rule. However, pulling a revolt during a war was a dick move, and the fact is that thier political agenda comes off as annoyingly self righteous given that they managed to avoid the worst of the Robotnik Wars up to that point. To say nothing of the fact they needed an Alien Abduction to get them to even think about concepts like Democracy...

NinjaNinjaNinja!: There are many things I could write about concenring the Iron DOminion Arc, but I'll just focus on this one. It's deeply insulting that of the rich cultural tapestry of east Asia, the most we'll ever see of it is god damned ninjas of all things. Oh, and not your traditional thieves and murderers for hire ninja, no no, they have 'houses' and are 'honorable' and all that other stereotypical tripe that should have nothing to do with Ninja. And apparantly it doesn't matter that the Dragon Kingdom was initially established as being more chinese in its inspiration; if its from the East, then there must be Ninja, no matter what. Gag me.

King Jackass: THis is another one that isn't bad as a concept; whether it be because of PTSD from being in the void or due to his own flaws as a person, King Max being a jerk and the conflict this causes with Sally's own idealized memories of him isn't that bad of a subplot. However the fact is, he is never ever EVER called out on it, and to add insult to injury the comic never once suggests that his being king might be a bad thing until long after its too late for him to get some comeuppance for his repeated and callous screw-ups. Its Desinated Good Guy syndrome at its worst.

Guns Are Evil Always: The story of how Emerson Acorn died was heartbreaking and a fairly good way of showing that guns are not playthings, ever, and how carelessness can lead to sensless tragedy. Aaand then they went overboard with it, which is particularly insane given that the bad guys in this case were all robots. Not to mention it brings forth the question of how the Kingdom of Acorn even lasted the week if they weren't using guns back then at all, while the OVerlanders were happily making the best of rifles, tanks and mortars. Not a wise idea to put an Anti-Gun message in a comic that is by and large about a war against robots.

Braindead Charmy: You'd never expect Charmy to have the worst life out of everyone in this comic; he witnesses his best friend die of an overdose, leaves his friends to pursue his duties, and then loses his parents, sister, and people to the Egg Grapes with no hint of survivors. Damn, can't the Bee catch a bit of slack already? Apparrantly no; he must be like his toddler game counterpart and thus suffer an accident to give him a similar level of intelligence. While this COmic does have to reflect the games in ways... this was just sickening, and I sincerely hope it wears off.

Cats and Dogs are Enemeis Always: CLiche. Raw, undistilled cliche. That's what the Wolf-Felidae rivalry is. Out of nowhere the Wolves are suddenly really from the same area as the Felidae and of course the two hate eachother. A historical retcon, to justify a stereotype that has been done to death and undeath without even a hint of nuance or irony. Good grief, what a waste.

The Less Than Well Guarded Emerald Shrine: I understand this comic is based on games and as such needs to resemble the games in one fashion or another, really I do. But that does not quite justify the fact that the Mega MacGuffin of the entire comic is left in a hard to defend, easy to reach area where anyone with half a brain could have little difficulty in stealing the damned Master Emerald. The Shrine is a stupid idea in the games, and its a particularly stupid idea here give that Nack, AKA Fang the Sniper, can and will live up to his japanese namesake.

[RedAuthar]

Amy's age was fault of the comic because they made her about Tails's age when she first appeared. But she was older in the games so they cheated. It was probably a last minute add in. And yes it was really stupid.

Mass Deroboticization....I agree. Why did it happen, specifically if they were going to leave Sonic's Dad a robot anyways? There later answer to that is quite bad.

Lara-Su. Stupid. Period.

The Guns are evil thing I think was originally a requirement for the comic or something that has been outdated.


Now though King Max being a jerk is something that I've noticed in a pattern here:
We apparently don't like it when the good guys act selfish, mean, or make mistakes. We don't like the slap, Amy using a magical thing for herself, or King Max's new attitude.
Now personally I don't like King Max either or the Amy Age thing (she should have been the older age to begin with). However it is NOT out of character for them to do these acts. King Max was kind of a jerk since he first appeared. Going back to be one isn't really all that far fetched. Amy aged herself not knowing that what she was doing would hurt them later (though the event was still stupid). Sally slapping Sonic isn't really all that far fetched either. Sonic has been dead for a whole year supposedly. Then he comes back and nearly dies again. Sally wanted him to stop doing risky things and settle down. Sonic's refusal not only said he still wants to be a hero, it also says he'd rather be a hero then be with her. Now her slapping Sonic and calling him selfish is wrong, it is not out of character.

[MistressAli]

Amy's Age Up

Man, I'd forgotten about that travesty. LOL I totally agree on this... wasting a wish on such a selfish thing was just... mindboggling. Yuck.

I agree with several things already brought up:
The Slap
Sonic running on dirt ()
Alien deroboticization (indeed, getting rid of roboticization altogether)
Mobius = Earth (Never liked the idea to begin with. I guess it explains the 'nationality' of certain characters, like Antoine. But I still prefer the Mobius being its own fantastical world instead...)
Sonic and co going to school (I don't mind the idea of a few elders sitting the teens down and tutoring them now and then. But to show a fully established school system? No.)


And now for some of my own. (many Snively-centered)

Snively putting tracking devices in his hair. I kind of laughed, but it was the sort of laughter combined with eye-rolling because it's so dumb. Not only that, but wouldn't Eggman be able to track Snively down...putting Sniv at risk for getting caught during any secret plotting he's doing?

Sniv getting caught after Robotnik's death wayyyy back in the 50's. I didn't mind the idea of him being caught and going to prison. I minded the fact he got caught so easily and quickly. Meh.

Dulcy being in an abusive relationship. I just thought this was lame... lol. I know people hate Dulcy, but she doesn't seem like the type who'd let someone abuse her.

Mina the POPSTAR. Just like the school thing... I'd be fine if they showed her doing a few shows around Knothole. But to have her be this 'international' star, all over the radio... c'mon. When did the Mobians have time to set up radio networks? Or huge elaborate stages? It all ties in with my entire derision for Knothole's expansion from a small, secretive village to a huge city, complete with castles, schools, huge hospitals and etc... It takes away from the... direness... of their situation, I guess.

Tying in with Mina the Popstar: Nack the assassian who totally sucks. LOL (The story where he's hired to kill Mina. He totally blows it and looks like an assclown. LOL They ruin his badass image. Basically Nack's shot misses Mina by a mile, sets a tree on fire, and then Nack throws off his disguise in the midst of a crowd so everyone can see and recognize him. What a pro!)
Not that I wanted to see Mina die (I did, actually ;O) BUT why pick a character who's supposed to be really really good at his job, and then have him act like an amatuer? Pick some bumbling dork instead. LIke Scratch and Grounder. Haahaa.

Snively living in Knothole. The FF's were kind enough to take Sniv in after he helped them destroy ADAM's nanite rampage thing. But then what did they do? Put him on trial? Lock him up? Give him a tracking bracelet, an escort or supervise him in any way? Nope. They just let him walk around free, and access any area of Knothole he wanted. Nobody even seemed to notice when he suddenly disappeared! (going back to Eggman)

To add onto Zelchias's list of cliches, how about the Snakes-are-Always-Evil one? In the stories about the 'first Freedom Fighter' group, the Snake member of the group ended up being the traitor on Robotnik's side. Wow, didn't see that one coming

Amy the Strong! I personally HATE how Amy became this super-strong freak of nature. When before, a squadron of SWATbots were trouble, now they're something Amy can simply skip up to and whack away with her hammer. The Iron King is 5 times bigger than the average Mobian? No problem, let's just send the little pipsqueak Amy in! TEEHEE! (Why couldn't they just have left the unnaturally strong role to Bunnie or Knuckles like it always had been?)

Snively's profile: Haha, I'm probably the only one who remembers this. Being the Snively-freak I am. But I hated Snively's profile/information page Archie did WAYYY back when. Why? Because it sucked. The worst part of it was Sniv's physical description of having: 'BLACK HAIR' and 'RED EYES'. WTH, Archie.

[zelchias]

Now though King Max being a jerk is something that I've noticed in a pattern here:
We apparently don't like it when the good guys act selfish, mean, or make mistakes. We don't like the slap, Amy using a magical thing for herself, or King Max's new attitude.
Now personally I don't like King Max either or the Amy Age thing (she should have been the older age to begin with). However it is NOT out of character for them to do these acts. King Max was kind of a jerk since he first appeared. Going back to be one isn't really all that far fetched. Amy aged herself not knowing that what she was doing would hurt them later (though the event was still stupid). Sally slapping Sonic isn't really all that far fetched either. Sonic has been dead for a whole year supposedly. Then he comes back and nearly dies again. Sally wanted him to stop doing risky things and settle down. Sonic's refusal not only said he still wants to be a hero, it also says he'd rather be a hero then be with her. Now her slapping Sonic and calling him selfish is wrong, it is not out of character.

There's a difference between heroes making mistakes and heroes doing so convincingly. No one here says they want any of the FFs to be without flaws, but what Sally did was massively out of character; slapping Sonic for choosing to protect the kingdom over continuing a relationship with her goes against virtually everything we'd ever seen of her up to that point. The only thing that mitigates that unspeakably stupid bit of writing is the fact that she was taken to the task by her friends for that whole thing, and that she and Sonic didn't get back for a good long while after the fact. Similarly, while Amy was a child at the time and children tend to do foolish things, even children are aware that stealing is wrong, and its just as hard to swallow that she'd take something like that and waste it for her own goals as it is that Sally would honestly put herself before the safety of everyone else and slap someone she loves for deciding to do the right thing. The only difference is, NOBODY in the comic has mentioned Amy's actions as being wrong, nor has Amy been shown as feeling guilt in retrospect for her actions. And as I said before, Max being a Jerk is not what I take issue with, its the fact that he's never called out on the fact, nor up until the Prowers revolt was there any kind of hint of anyone thinking ill of him for his actions. He's treated as The Right CHoice by the narration of the comic despite his actions contradicting this notion, and he never once learns from any of his mistakes.

To add onto Zelchias's list of cliches, how about the Snakes-are-Always-Evil one? In the stories about the 'first Freedom Fighter' group, the Snake member of the group ended up being the traitor on Robotnik's side. Wow, didn't see that one coming

Cripes, I'd forgotten about that one...nobody got any kind of prize for guessing who the traitor for THAT group could possibly be. And to add insult to injury it'd seem that at least one legion Grandmaster is a cobra as well, and given the fact that each Dark Legion chapter is made up of one or two species, means we're going to get a whole slew of evil snakes.... sheesh.

Snively's profile: Haha, I'm probably the only one who remembers this. Being the Snively-freak I am. But I hated Snively's profile/information page Archie did WAYYY back when. Why? Because it sucked. The worst part of it was Sniv's physical description of having: 'BLACK HAIR' and 'RED EYES'. WTH, Archie.

Hell, all of those profiles were idiotic, filled with errors that clashed with established continuity. And those units of measurement... according to those profiles, Robotnik is surprisingly dainty for someone of his build; 177 lbs it would seem. Yeah, I call bullcrap.

[RedAuthar]

There's a difference between heroes making mistakes and heroes doing so convincingly. No one here says they want any of the FFs to be without flaws, but what Sally did was massively out of character; slapping Sonic for choosing to protect the kingdom over continuing a relationship with her goes against virtually everything we'd ever seen of her up to that point. The only thing that mitigates that unspeakably stupid bit of writing is the fact that she was taken to the task by her friends for that whole thing, and that she and Sonic didn't get back for a good long while after the fact. Similarly, while Amy was a child at the time and children tend to do foolish things, even children are aware that stealing is wrong, and its just as hard to swallow that she'd take something like that and waste it for her own goals as it is that Sally would honestly put herself before the safety of everyone else and slap someone she loves for deciding to do the right thing. The only difference is, NOBODY in the comic has mentioned Amy's actions as being wrong, nor has Amy been shown as feeling guilt in retrospect for her actions. And as I said before, Max being a Jerk is not what I take issue with, its the fact that he's never called out on the fact, nor up until the Prowers revolt was there any kind of hint of anyone thinking ill of him for his actions. He's treated as The Right CHoice by the narration of the comic despite his actions contradicting this notion, and he never once learns from any of his mistakes.

See this is where everyone is WRONG. It is actually IN her character to slap Sonic.
1) Sonic has been gone a whole year and mobius has not been turned to ashes. Doesn't that say that Sonic being the hero is NOT necessarily and that there are OTHER HEROES who can be of use?
2) Sonic nearly died in his last mission. Sally had just had to deal with him being dead a whole year. She even broke down and ran out when she saw the event. She was NOT think of the world's best interest at the time, she was worried about her friend/lover.
3) Again as I said before, when Sonic refuses, it also means he is refusing to be with Sally. That hurts...(though I'm pretty sure it was not his intention)
4) We all know Sonic also has a big ego and loves attention. Though in theory saving the world is a unselfish thing, Sonic enjoys it. He is saying he'd rather have his adventures then settle down. That IS quite a selfish thing. He's playing the hero, but it isn't only because he has to.
5) Son and Sal were just barely getting back together after the whole MINA incident. Sonic and Sally's relationship when Sonic "died" was still iffy. Add a year of absence and what do you get? A relationship that is straining at best.

Now I'm not saying Sally was in the right, I'm not saying that it was a good move. I just don't agree that it was a stupid move and that it was out of character.

[blue]

I knew I'm missing some things.
4. Ken Pender's attempt to kill Sally off. Not because she's important to SatAM and the comic because of the reason why she was suppose to be killed off. Apparently she had no room since King Max is here. I would like to counter argue that monarchies need heirs(princes and princesses) just in case if the ruler dies. If there are solid evidence to kill her off please point it out.
5. The way they handle the Sonic Adaptation. This adaptation is sort of silly in execution. Not because of Amy jumped a few years, but because the cat tribe is an excuse to tie in Big the Cat(which I have no problem with the character himself). To be fair that is what adaptations do to do quirks to fit the medium which I've no problem with it unless they changed to much and besides if all adaptation follow their source faithfully it could be boring since it would follow the source's story which could be very predictable.

[Gojira007]

See this is where everyone is WRONG. It is actually IN her character to slap Sonic.
1) Sonic has been gone a whole year and mobius has not been turned to ashes. Doesn't that say that Sonic being the hero is NOT necessarily and that there are OTHER HEROES who can be of use?

Because in Sonic's absence, Eggman had actually gone from a deflating schemer to an all-but-on-top-of-the-world-again dictator. Because Sonic's essential usefulness to the cause had been proven time and time and time and time again by this point in the story. And Sally, having led Sonic in battle, fought along side him, been his friend (and briefly lover) for years, damned well knows he will never, ever be able to forget or let go of that.

2) Sonic nearly died in his last mission. Sally had just had to deal with him being dead a whole year. She even broke down and ran out when she saw the event. She was NOT think of the world's best interest at the time, she was worried about her friend/lover.

Only Sally has dealt with Sonic's death or near-death multiple times in the past. Heck, during the "Scrambled Hedgehog" Two-Parter, she was nearly willing to kill Sonic herself in order to prevent him from leading Robotnik to Knothole. As painful and difficult as it absolutely must have been to lose Sonic once, have him return at long last, and then confront the possibility of losing him again, it is a difficulty and a pain she has already had to face, and done with far greater grace and decorum.

3) Again as I said before, when Sonic refuses, it also means he is refusing to be with Sally. That hurts...(though I'm pretty sure it was not his intention)

Enough to cause Sally to set aside every last ounce of calm, rational thought? Enough to get a Royal Leader to ignore the crucial respects in which Sonic's need to join the War Effort anew is absolutely important and correct? Enough to cause a long-time friend to apparently forget everything she came to know about Sonic as a friend and comrade-in-arms?

4) We all know Sonic also has a big ego and loves attention. Though in theory saving the world is a unselfish thing, Sonic enjoys it. He is saying he'd rather have his adventures then settle down. That IS quite a selfish thing. He's playing the hero, but it isn't only because he has to.

Not an unfair observation, but one that ultimately doesn't justify Sally's behavior. As much as there may absolutely be an underlying selfishness in Sonic's decision, and I'm of the mind that you're astute to observe that there is, Sally's reaction remains, at best, questionable, given what we know about her character and priorities.

5) Son and Sal were just barely getting back together after the whole MINA incident. Sonic and Sally's relationship when Sonic "died" was still iffy. Add a year of absence and what do you get? A relationship that is straining at best.

Sonic and Sally's relationship when Sonic "died" seemed anything but iffy to me. Mind you, it pains me to say that, as I found Boller's insultingly saccharine dialogue for the two of them after finally hooking up to be insufferable, and an insult to the actual complexities and intimacies that make the relationship compelling to me, but nonetheless, as the story frames it, Sonic and Sally were, for the first time more or less ever that I could think of, 100% out in the open about being in love with each other. Likewise, Sally makes it clear to Sonic that it was her affection and faith in him that assured her he would indeed return, despite being gone forever as far as she knew. So it seems to me their relationship ought to have been on firm enough ground at that point that Sonic making the choice he did vis a vis Sally's offer, while indeed perhaps being upsetting, should not have resulted in such an explosive outburst.

The other thing none of these points address is the out-of-characterness of Sally making the proposal to Sonic in the first place. Again, she knows the kind of person Sonic is; she knows how important his contributions to the War Effort would be; as someone who spent years of her life on the front-lines of battle right alongside him, she knows at a very intimate level what he is capable of, what kind of risks he faces, and how important every last person fighting ultimately is to their victory. With all that knowledge, it does not now nor will it ever make sense to me that she ask Sonic to not do his part in the fight and instead live a life she is well aware he would be uncomfortable with.