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[bwrosas]

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These are the theories and rumors of What we as fans feel will happen with these ladies in the Sonic Comics in the upcoming year or so. Comments are Welcomed

[bwrosas]

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And these links above show how they feel.

Comments are Welcomed

[Tennyo]

I personally think people are jumping the gun and being overly dramatic. This isn't something stupid like when Siderman sold his marriage to the devil. It's a plot in progress that needs time to be resolved.

I'm sure Sally won't be a robot forever. :/

I mean come on, stories need conflicts.

[John Roberts]

I personally think people are jumping the gun and being overly dramatic. This isn't something stupid like when Siderman sold his marriage to the devil. It's a plot in progress that needs time to be resolved.

I'm sure Sally won't be a robot forever. :/

I mean come on, stories need conflicts.

Exactly. Let the story play out before getting the pitch forks sharpened. You wouldn't stop reading Lord of The Rings in disgust just because Gandalf faces certain and irreversible doom in the first book, right? Right?!

Or maybe some people would...

[Tennyo]

Oh I sure hope not. Fellowship isn't even the best of the trilogy!!!

[Gojira007]

I actually think "Fellowship" IS the best of the Trilogy; the fracturing of the narrative that occurs in "Two Towers" makes the whole book feel like a bit of a slog, and while "Return of the King" mercifully reins it in a bit, the story as a whole never really recovers completely from that split. Not to say "Towers" or "Return" are bad per se, but I found the unified story of "Fellowship" to be the most satisfying overall if we are to judge each Book as an individual piece rather than a single novel split into three Acts. Just my opinion, though.

...hm? What? We're talking about fans disliking Ian Flynn's latest moves on the "Sonic" comic? Right, right!

So yeah, I'll be Vote #3 in the "people are jumping the gun/overreacting" Party. Not to say I haven't had problems of my own with how things have been unfolding lately-pacing's a bit too rushed, the focus on the emotional fall-out feels insufficient, that kind of thing-but these are problems I more or less ALWAYS have with Archie. In terms of the broad strokes, I'm on board overall, personally. Sally's "goodbye" moment in #230 hit the nail square on the head, and if the whole story-arc here can achieve that same effect, even once, I'll be happy.

[LaserX5]

I mean come on, stories need conflicts.

Not disagreeing with you on that point, but I don't consider the idea of everything hitting rock bottom an intriguing conflict.

I mean, when adversity hits, it should catch your interest to the point of being eager to see how the heroes will fight through it and come out on top, rather than just cringing at the thought of what form of chaos is coming next.

That almost feels like a poorly written horror story than anything.

[Tennyo]

But then the vast majority of the comic has been exactly like this from day one so...

I don't see the difference, really.

Quite honestly I'd say what's happening now is better than a lot of what has happened in the past in the comics, imho. I kind of take them with a grain of salt.

I remember not liking them much even as a kid because the early days were a lot goofier than SatAM ever was. Granted it got better, but I've never felt like the comics were exactly riveting. They're just fun sometimes.

[LaserX5]

But then the vast majority of the comic has been exactly like this from day one so...

I don't see the difference, really.

Seriously?

The past comic arcs were like this current story?

You mind telling me which past stories have even been close in comparision to this controversial one?

[Tennyo]

Close as in actual events or close as in I found things to be a tab bit of a ridiculous stretch and just laughed it off as something I shouldn't take too seriously?

If it's the latter I would say the entire comic, because I never implied for former.

Just chillin' and enjoying the ride. As long as Ian doesn't decide to kill off Sally for the sole purpose of hooking Sonic up with Amy or something lame like that it's all gravy in my boat. lol

I mean, Scourge being an absolutely rediculous character/story arc, ditching out SatAM Robotnik for the current one, Sally's reason for dumping Sonic, Sally dating a monkey lol...

...oh and when Knothole was destroyed and everyone was in the egg grapes and Robotnik just let Sonic go to be miserable and alone and emo for the rest of his life? There was no logic here...

The supposed "end" of Sonic and Tail's friendship that was resolved way too quickly...

But meh it's a comic book that needs to appeal to a primarily young fanbase. I'm...not going to be picky. They're still fun. I just think that Sally made a very nobel sacrifice in trying to destroy the world roboticizer that speaks volumes about her character. Not to mention how distraught Nicole was seemed kind of endearing, how she was "hiding behind text" as Sonic put it.

But then I really don't care much about anything else that is happening right now above that. Naugus can go ahead and do whatever, Bunny will eventually be half-robot again I'm sure...

[Gojira007]

You mind telling me which past stories have even been close in comparision to this controversial one?

"End Game", where Sonic was a prisoner on the run, Sally was believed dead, and Knothole had been overtaken by Robotnik's forces?

Robo-Robotnik becoming the new primary antagonist during the mid-to-late #70's, retaking Mobotropolis, capturing and Roboticizing numerous heroic characters like Valdez?

The arrival of the Xorda, who threatened to wipe out the entire planet and almost did so, followed immediately by the "Homecoming" arc where we see that Eggman has our heroes on the ropes, with a nuclear strike impending?

In Flynn's own run, we've had his "Final Storm" storyarc which had every last villain pretty much ever gathered together and doing some serious damage, along with the destruction of the Ancient Walkers.

The comic has used deep-seated, long-lasting crises repeatedly throughout its history. The only arguable difference here is one of degrees, and even then I'd actually say that's debatable.

[LaserX5]

...oh and when Knothole was destroyed and everyone was in the egg grapes and Robotnik just let Sonic go to be miserable and alone and emo for the rest of his life? There was no logic here...

That one though only lasted 2 issues.

And yea, I agree leaving Sonic to be miserable seemed like a lame idea in the long run.

Why didn't Eggman leave him battered and bruised if he was going to leave him by himself to sulk?

The supposed "end" of Sonic and Tail's friendship that was resolved way too quickly...

Couldn't agree more there.

End Game", where Sonic was a prisoner on the run, Sally was believed dead, and Knothole had been overtaken by Robotnik's forces

Ok, no argument there.

EndGame by far is the closest thing to controversy going on now.

Robo-Robotnik becoming the new primary antagonist during the mid-to-late #70's, retaking Mobotropolis, capturing and Roboticizing numerous heroic characters like Valdez?

Hmm...

I didn't think that arc was really controversial, just a lame excuse to bring a new Robotnik in, which ended up becoming Eggman.

Surprise, surprise...

The arrival of the Xorda, who threatened to wipe out the entire planet and almost did so, followed immediately by the "Homecoming" arc where we see that Eggman has our heroes on the ropes, with a nuclear strike impending?

Honestly, I thought 134, which came after Homecoming was 10X more controversial than this one. True, there was alot of unexplained questions during Sonic's 1 year absence, but I actually thought it was a pretty cool story, including the Xorda battle that led to it.

The comic has used deep-seated, long-lasting crises repeatedly throughout its history. The only arguable difference here is one of degrees, and even then I'd actually say that's debatable.

Yea, that's true. The comic has seen its share of crisis stories.

Although, next to EndGame, this one seems to be near the top of crisis moments.

[Gojira007]

Well, OK, now I'm confused. Are you trying to say that other story-arcs aren't as "controversial" as this one, or that other story-arcs haven't used in-story disasters as extensively as this one? It sounded like you were talking more about the latter, but the way you've replied to my examples makes it seem like it's the former. If it IS the former, I can safely tell you the amount of fan-reaction stirred up by this story is more or less par for the course for just about EVERY story-arc this comic's done for at least the last decade.

[LaserX5]

Well, OK, now I'm confused. Are you trying to say that other story-arcs aren't as "controversial" as this one, or that other story-arcs haven't used in-story disasters as extensively as this one?

Basically it's the latter more than the former, especially since other than EndGame, I haven't a story with so much going wrong in a short period of time like this one.

No doubt the others you mentioned had their share of controversy, but this one has already created quite a buzz as of late, both positive and negative, and it's not even halfway done.

[Gojira007]

By what metric

Basically it's the latter more than the former, especially since other than EndGame, I haven't a story with so much going wrong in a short period of time like this one.

Maybe not as much down to the last decimal point, but Big Catastrophes, often with far-reaching consequences, have been with this Comic for a long time. I guess what I'm saying is, whatever you may think of the particulars, the broader concept of Big Problems forcing the heroes into Difficult Situations isn't exactly unheard of, in this comic or storytelling in general, and consequently it's hard not to feel the harsh negativity some fans are showing it is a bit unfair.

No doubt the others you mentioned had their share of controversy, but this one has already created quite a buzz as of late, both positive and negative, and it's not even halfway done.

By what metric are we to compare the controversey stirred up by THIS Arc to the one stirred up by "Genesis" or "Journey to the East" or "Tossed in Space" or "Homecoming" or what-have-you, though?

[PuffinGrandeur]

Genesis was part of this arc, but I suppose it shouldn't really be counted seeing as most of the controversy was based on a ton of misinformation and off-base speculation.

[bwrosas]

For those that complain, We are used to things and characters the way they are :

Why we as Fans like characters and things the way they are

[Gojira007]

Genesis was part of this arc, but I suppose it shouldn't really be counted seeing as most of the controversy was based on a ton of misinformation and off-base speculation.

Well, when I say Arc, I mean a particular story-line that has its own beginning and ending, even as it ultimately fits into the larger Story. "Chaos and the Crown" and "Genesis", for example, are Arcs of their own to me that both feed into each other and the current Big Arc going on right now. That's just me, though.

[LaserX5]

Maybe not as much down to the last decimal point, but Big Catastrophes, often with far-reaching consequences, have been with this Comic for a long time.

Ok, fair point.

That is true I'll admit...

I guess what I'm saying is, whatever you may think of the particulars, the broader concept of Big Problems forcing the heroes into Difficult Situations isn't exactly unheard of, in this comic or storytelling in general, and consequently it's hard not to feel the harsh negativity some fans are showing it is a bit unfair.

Yea, it probably is a bit unfair.

Although, I can't blame them if they feel this story is getting a bit out of hand now.

By what metric are we to compare the controversy stirred up by THIS Arc to the one stirred up by "Genesis" or "Journey to the East" or "Tossed in Space" or "Homecoming" or what-have-you, though?

Hmm...

That is a good question.

Personally, there are three things I judge on how much a story is controversial.

1. Bombshell moments(such as character deaths, roboticization, serious injuries, destruction of buildings, breakups in relationships, etc... things of that nature)

2. The vile things a villain does during the story to try and defeat the heroes(such as Eggman) that makes readers arch a few eyebrows

3. How many Freedom Fighters/innocent civilians are impacted by the sudden abrupt/tragic turn of events.

That's just me though.

I'm sure others have their own controversy measuring system.

[blue]

I say 2011 is the start and foreshadowing of the darkening and the twists that fans would never expect from the comic.