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[bwrosas]

This is all that I need to say right now

[LaserX5]

And what fuels the milking of a franchise? The fans. Yeah I know you're going to hate me for this, but think about it. Without the fans then the comics, or the franchise itself, would never survive this long. Though there are still ways to end the franchise like either the fans lose interest drastically, the company lose interest radically, or both. Since the target audience is for kids then I don't see the comics would die down, but we'll see. Before you say that targeting to a certain demographics for a long period is bad let me quote on the AnimeOverviewer and BigAl2k6 on youtube, "If it's something was never targeting you to begin with, you have no right to complain about it not catering your desires(AO). It's not just you, it should be for everyone(Both BigAl & AO). Let the kids enjoy it for crying out loud(AO)."

But that's just it.

I don't think this comic was originally made, "just for kids."

Granted, that was the main targeted audience when I really think about it, but I believe it was made for teens too.

I mean, stories like the Xorda battle with Sonic getting blasted into space quite graphically wasn't exactly that kid friendly to say the least.

Yeah change isn't for the better, but that doesn't mean that keeping it the same would make it better.Despite all of this, your criticisms is constructive unlike a certain person in the Sonic Fanbase who complained about Sonic's modern design in Sonic the Hedgehog 4 over a year ago.

I find it pointless to complain about that since Sega is already one messed up company to begin with. Why kick a horse that's dying anyway?

And thanks for your honesty about my comments.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Sonic wasn't blasted quite graphically into space, and the comic was always for kids as much as anyone else. If you really want to go to the "first" issues, you're going for the Spawnmower, not the GoldenGammanukes.

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And what fuels the milking of a franchise? The fans. Yeah I know you're going to hate me for this, but think about it. Without the fans then the comics, or the franchise itself, would never survive this long. Though there are still ways to end the franchise like either the fans lose interest drastically, the company lose interest radically, or both. Since the target audience is for kids then I don't see the comics would die down, but we'll see. Before you say that targeting to a certain demographics for a long period is bad let me quote on the AnimeOverviewer and BigAl2k6 on youtube, "If it's something was never targeting you to begin with, you have no right to complain about it not catering your desires(AO). It's not just you, it should be for everyone(Both BigAl & AO). Let the kids enjoy it for crying out loud(AO)."

But that's just it.

I don't think this comic was originally made, "just for kids."

Granted, that was the main targeted audience when I really think about it, but I believe it was made for teens too.

I mean, stories like the Xorda battle with Sonic getting blasted into space quite graphically wasn't exactly that kid friendly to say the least.

Yeah change isn't for the better, but that doesn't mean that keeping it the same would make it better.Despite all of this, your criticisms is constructive unlike a certain person in the Sonic Fanbase who complained about Sonic's modern design in Sonic the Hedgehog 4 over a year ago.

I find it pointless to complain about that since Sega is already one messed up company to begin with. Why kick a horse that's dying anyway?

And thanks for your honesty about my comments.

Your welcome, but I didn't say that the comics were only targeting kids anyway.

Sonic wasn't blasted quite graphically into space, and the comic was always for kids as much as anyone else. If you really want to go to the "first" issues, you're going for the Spawnmower, not the GoldenGammanukes.

Even if it's for kids that doesn't mean that teens and adults can't enjoy it.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Note how I didn't say that teens and adults couldn't enjoy it.

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Note how I didn't say that teens and adults couldn't enjoy it.

This explanation is weak, but you only said that the comics has always targeted kids.

[LaserX5]

Note how I didn't say that teens and adults couldn't enjoy it.

Well, with most of the stories in Archie watered down, I don't see how.

[bwrosas]

The News and panel for Archie's Sonic Comic has come and gone, and here I have some information, that some of you will like and some/most probably won't like.

Comment down below

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3:25 Oh dear, looks like Ian's reputation and trust to Sonally fans is going down the drain.
4:59 You do have point that just because that's the way to go nothing lasts forever

[Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76F0gpCW9x0


The News and panel for Archie's Sonic Comic has come and gone, and here I have some information, that some of you will like and some/most probably won't like.

Comment down below

Nope, not doing it. I'm not sitting here and watching you ramble on for 15 bloody minutes. Can't you just TYPE things? You'd save alot of people's time if you just typed up what you wanted to say.

Look at it this way, in those 15 minutes, how much of it is important and to the point where I can read it in around 2 minutes? This is a discussion board after all, not a place to dump videos of you sitting around, talking about whatever it is that you talk about and take up everyones time.

If you feel the need to do videos, how about also including the parts which are important in text?

[saber16]

Nope, not doing it. I'm not sitting here and watching you ramble on for 15 bloody minutes. Can't you just TYPE things? You'd save alot of people's time if you just typed up what you wanted to say.

Look at it this way, in those 15 minutes, how much of it is important and to the point where I can read it in around 2 minutes? This is a discussion board after all, not a place to dump videos of you sitting around, talking about whatever it is that you talk about and take up everyones time.

If you feel the need to do videos, how about also including the parts which are important in text?

Prime makes a great point, man. Reading takes no effort what's so ever, you can just skim through it in minutes. A 15 minute video is more time consuming for the viewer. If it's easier for you to make videos on these topics, that's fine. But like Prime said, could you at least type out what you have to say along with it for those of us who don't want to watch your videos?

[bwrosas]

I know no one really listens at times to my videos, so I will say it in text.

Sally's situation is possible for the big storyarc coming very soon. Now Ian did't say it was permentery, nor did he say it was tempory, all that was reported by TSSZ was that Sally would be roboticized going forward, but we all know that doesn't mean forever. Many media outlets in comics, television and even in movies have been known to do that and never last.

A few good examples are, and I mentioned this before, Chibiusa Moon from Sailor Moon. When she returns to the future with Sailor Moon, Chibiusa becomes Black Lady (Wicked Lady in the English adaptation) when she is captured outside of the Palace. Wiseman comes across the lonely Chibiusa, who is feeling frustrated after a failed attempt to revive her mother, and twists her memories of her family to make her do his bidding. Wiseman converts her by laying the seeds of guilt for what she has done, and by telling her nobody loves her. He makes her feel that her parents didn't want her. So he said he would take great care of her and decide to join forces
Infected with the power of the Black Crystal, she grows older, donning an organdy and satin dress and the earrings worn by the Black Moon Clan. Her hair becomes even longer than Usagi's. Her crescent becomes that of the Clan, and she is frequently seen with Prince Dimande or Wiseman. As Chibiusa's dream is to become a beautiful lady like her mother, Black Lady's form is something like a femme fatale.
Her history and personality differ between the anime and the manga. In the anime, Black Lady hates her family and the Sailor Senshi and tries to kill them because she believes she is unloved. She also considers her toy, Luna-P, as her only friend. In the manga, she throws away the Luna-P after her transformation and derides it as a childish toy.
Black Lady uses her brainwashing powers to try to seduce her future father, Mamoru Chiba, and tries to destroy the Senshi for their various acts of insensitivity toward her. She first appears in Act 20 of the manga and Episode 85 of the anime. In the anime, Black Lady tries to kill Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask, but is saved from her anger by Sailor Moon, who changes into Neo-Queen Serenity and embraces her daughter, allowing her to turn back into Chibiusa. In the manga, her sorrow over the death of Sailor Pluto shatters Wiseman's power over her, her tears activating the future Silver Crystal, and she changes into Sailor Chibi Moon for the first time.

Another example that I've mentioned before has been Cammy From the USA Network cartoon of Street Fighter. Cammy is the central focus of a sub-plot in the second season. She is brainwashed by Bison and becomes one of his underlings, fighting her former allies (both Street Fighters and Delta Red) during the remainder of the series. However, she turns on Bison when she learns that he had killed her parents, and switches sides back to her original allies.

Someone even mentioned Willow From Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Dark Willow is preternaturally focused on revenge, relentless and unstoppable. Lights explode when she walks past. She forcefully takes advantage of any opportunity to further her goals. She saves Buffy by removing the bullet from her chest, but later commandeers a tractor trailer, making it slam into Xander's car while he and Buffy are inside protecting Jonathan and Andrew, the other two members of the Trio. She floats, teleports herself at will, and dismantles the local jail where Jonathan and Andrew are held. She is cruelly honest to Dawn and Buffy, and overpowers everyone with whom she comes in contact. When she takes Giles' magic from him, she gains the ability to feel the world's pain, becoming determined to put the world out of its misery. She does not acknowledge her grief, and only Xander can force her to face it when he tells her that he loves her no matter what or who she is, and if she is determined to end the world she must start by killing him. Only then does Willow return, sobbing. Her dark side continues to be a part of Willow. A story arc in Season Eight has Buffy travel 200 years into the future to battle and kill Dark Willow. Present-day Willow is aware of her capabilities, ever watchful of what she may turn into.

Heck even sport teams try to change and supposly go forward with a new logo and look. Take The Washington Redskins for example a few years back. In 2002, the team celebrated the passing of 70 years since its creation as the Boston Braves in 1932, and wore a special home uniform of burgundy jersey over gold pants which roughly resembled the home uniforms used from 1969-1978. The helmets used with this special home uniform during that year were a reproduction of the helmets used by the team from 1965-69. And as you can see that didn't last long but for one season.

Even retail stories and companies have done this, Said they this new logo will be the logo going forward, prime example, GAP. Gap. They released their new logo last year, and it was a huge disaster. The old logo was well-loved and familiar to all, used for more than two decades. The dark blue square with the familiar serif white font was well-loved and familiar, almost homey.

Gap’s mistake was radically changing everything. The logo was designed by Laird & Partners, in the effort to create a more contemporary and modern expression. Personally I think the new logo is not great, it looks more like a clip art from Microsoft than a “contemporary, modern logo.” I was not alone in this opinion. There was a public outcry when it was released online, major backlash and criticism poured on Gap’s Facebook and Twitter page. Some harsh criticisms include: ‘looks like a child made it’, ‘a joke’ and ‘amateur’. It only gets worse. Gap chose to remain silent about all the controversy, when they finally responded it added more fuel to the fire. Gap tried to handle its blunder by covering the whole thing up. Gap posted on their official Facebook page, thanking everyone for their input on the logo. They are ‘thrilled to see a passionate debate unfolding’, and asked the online community to share their designs. They ended the statement with: ‘we love our version but we would like to see other ideas’. People were laughing with disbelief over Gap’s response. They dismissed their error as a so-called social experiment, and still had the nerve to ask designs from others. The story ends with Gap ditching their new logo, and returning to their old one. Gap president Marka Hansen was fired by execs weeks after the failed redesign episode. Moral of the story? Don’t mess with a well-loved brand and image valued at $4 billion. As the old adage says, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

What I'm saying, is that even though, Ian says Sally will be robotized going forward, doesn't mean it's forever, just for the upcoming storyarc and possible as Paul said to deal with her story of possible regaining her free will, but learning to cope with what's happen to her and trying to find a way to reverse it, perhaps a Sonic Universe Arc will be done to coinsde with it, who knows.

But going forward doesn't mean permentery or temporary, it overall means just for the time being, not forever.

[bwrosas]

I give more on what's was made official on Sunday in New York.

Comments are Welcomed

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Would the Sonic franchise live without the comics? Most of you say probably yes, but to me it's a mix. While it's not part of the main continuity( or any other continuities) it also serves to entertain fans who don't like where the sonic games are going or just not interested in to the games just like me.

I personally still think the comic should have died out years ago.

What's the point in keeping it, so we can see SegaSonic and its characters become the main focal point instead of what it was intended to be years ago?

Don't we get enough of SegaSonic in the games? Must it infiltrate the entire comic too?

I'm not saying all of SegaSonic is bad in the comic. It isn't. Some of the things from SegaSonic I do like.

But at the same time, SegaSonic should take a back seat to the storyline and the characters this comic started out with.

Not to mention the Satam characters aren't being used right anyway.

Here my theory in a business stand point, if the comic died out then either SEGA would give the license another comic company to write their stories continuing where the comic left off or revamped into a new story, or SEGA might give the comic business and go to their merry ways.

[LaserX5]

Here my theory in a business stand point, if the comic died out then either SEGA would give the license another comic company to write their stories continuing where the comic left off or revamped into a new story, or SEGA might give the comic business and go to their merry ways.

Honestly, I wish Sega did give up the comic book buisness.

It would have saved us alot of annoyance at all the terrible issues Archie's done in the last seven years.

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Here my theory in a business stand point, if the comic died out then either SEGA would give the license another comic company to write their stories continuing where the comic left off or revamped into a new story, or SEGA might give the comic business and go to their merry ways.

Honestly, I wish Sega did give up the comic book buisness.

It would have saved us alot of annoyance at all the terrible issues Archie's done in the last seven years.

I can understand why you want the comic to end. For me, I'll just let the comic go its way to the very end. I probably think some would disagree on this.

[LaserX5]

I can understand why you want the comic to end. For me, I'll just let the comic go its way to the very end.

If that happens, it'll probably die a slow, painful death.

But that's just my opinion.

[bwrosas]

you can watch if you want, I don't give a damn.

[bwrosas]

For those that don't want to deal with Seeing Sally as A Robot for the time being, I give some advice on how to pass the time.

[LaserX5]

Another thing Sonic fans can do in the meantime is write or draw their own Sonic stories since that would help pass the time alot too.

Granted, it's only fan fiction, but I find some of it alot better than the canon garbage of today.