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I know most of you would think it's absurd, but hear me out. In the early games, Eggman captured cute animal for his badniks to take the world, guard from meddlers, or boil a really large egg(Japanese Promotional comic). However in the Dreamcast era, Eggman still retained his motivation, but is willingly to destroy Station Square along with its inhabitants. In Sonic Unleashed, he tried to crack the whole planet for the same reason.
You may argue that Robotnik in SatAm and the comics is more evil because of his robotinizer, ruling with an iron fist, and ecetera, but when you think about it at least he doesn't destroy a populated city for his Eggman Empire without it revolting his rule.
I'm not saying who's better, I just want to post it. Heck, I didn't even realized it until recently.
BTW, egg-grapes chambers doesn't count because this is from the comics.
Thanks for pointing my mistake out Inhibitor.

[LaserX5]

I actually do believe Eggman is capable of this.

As you said, we saw glimpses of it during SA.

Why not let Eggman be more sadistic of a villain for Sonic and his friends?

At least it would get rid of the clownish villain label on him.

[blue]

I actually do believe Eggman is capable of this.

As you said, we saw glimpses of it during SA.

Why not let Eggman be more sadistic of a villain for Sonic and his friends?

At least it would get rid of the clownish villain label on him.

From what I've heard, Eggman wasn't supposed to be taken seriously from the start like other villains like Scar from the Lion King.
To me, I think he needs some sadism, but without his clownish side he could be uninteresting, creepy, and unforgiving if done wrong. I know villains are suppose to be negative, but still.
There is proof that villains don't need to be sadistic, complex, and creepy as long they make an impression on you, like the Pixies from FoP and Dr. Doofensmerfs from P.a.F.

[RedAuthar]

Eggman has no trouble killing to get what he wants, however, Eggman wants to rule the world, and to do that, you need someone to rule. Robotnik on the other hand, didn't care if he ruled mindless machines or living creatures.

[LaserX5]

From what I've heard, Eggman wasn't supposed to be taken seriously from the start like other villains like Scar from the Lion King.

Yea, that's probably true.

Then Julian Robotnik was brought in as the villain of Sonic Satam, and I think that whole concept was completely debunked.

I mean, he showed us that Sonic could have a serious villain and make it work.

To me, I think he needs some sadism, but without his clownish side he could be uninteresting, creepy, and unforgiving if done wrong.

I'm not saying that Robotnik shouldn't have any clownish moments, but I'd like to see those moments few and far in between.

But that's just me though.

I know villains are suppose to be negative, but still.
There is proof that villains don't need to be sadistic, complex, and creepy as long they make an impression on you, like the Pixies from FoP and Dr. Doofenshmirtz from P.a.F.

No Offense, but Doofenshmirtz is one of the worst villains I have ever watched.

He's ridiculous corny, over the top goofy, and just seems to do things that make no sense.

When I saw that moment where he put a self destruct button on the inside of a trap, I couldn't have face palmed more.

I don't mind pathetic villains, especially if they have their moments like AOSTH Robotnik did, but that was just way too idiotic for words.

So yea, Doofenshmirtz IMO sucks, unless of course you're talking about his alternate dimension counterpart.

Now that one I agree is a pretty good villain.

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From what I've heard, Eggman wasn't supposed to be taken seriously from the start like other villains like Scar from the Lion King.

Yea, that's probably true.

Then Julian Robotnik was brought in as the villain of Sonic Satam, and I think that whole concept was completely debunked.

I mean, he showed us that Sonic could have a serious villain and make it work.

To me, I think he needs some sadism, but without his clownish side he could be uninteresting, creepy, and unforgiving if done wrong.

I'm not saying that Robotnik shouldn't have any clownish moments, but I'd like to see those moments few and far in between.

But that's just me though.

I know villains are suppose to be negative, but still.
There is proof that villains don't need to be sadistic, complex, and creepy as long they make an impression on you, like the Pixies from FoP and Dr. Doofenshmirtz from P.a.F.

No Offense, but Doofenshmirtz is one of the worst villains I have ever watched.

He's ridiculous corny, over the top goofy, and just seems to do things that make no sense.

When I saw that moment where he put a self destruct button on the inside of a trap, I couldn't have face palmed more.

I don't mind pathetic villains, especially if they have their moments like AOSTH Robotnik did, but that was just way too idiotic for words.

So yea, Doofenshmirtz IMO sucks, unless of course you're talking about his alternate dimension counterpart.

Now that one I agree is a pretty good villain.

OK, maybe that wasn't a good example because Doofenshmirtz have the most pathetic reasons why he became a villain and his schemes, but my point still stands since I find him okay.

[The Captain]

Robotnik should have always been capable of it. Think about it, before that saturday-morninged it up (ironically, far FAR worse than the mighty SatAM ) he was essentially wiring brains to machines. It was the Matrix, but instead of cool VR they got either a coma, insanity or to eternally watch their robot selves slaughter innocents, or something.

[blue]

Robotnik should have always been capable of it. Think about it, before that saturday-morninged it up (ironically, far FAR worse than the mighty SatAM ) he was essentially wiring brains to machines. It was the Matrix, but instead of cool VR they got either a coma, insanity or to eternally watch their robot selves slaughter innocents, or something.

I was only implying Dr. Eggman(games) not Dr. Robotnik or Julian( SatAM and/or comics).

[RedAuthar]

The best example is SA2. Eggman will willingly blow up a country, yet he'll fight to save the whole planet.

[Inhibitor]

BTW, egg grape chambers doesn't count because this is from the comics.

Hehehe...egg-grapes...

[Uncle Ben]

The best example is SA2. Eggman will willingly blow up a country, yet he'll fight to save the whole planet.

That really doesnt make sense. Eggman blew up and island and the G.U.N. base, blew up half of the moon, and threatened to blow up the planet. But when the S.C. Ark was gonna kill all of them and destroy the planet he fights to save it. To me that shows Eggman is willing to be a bad villain but at the same time he's willing to save it. Gotta love video game logic

-Uncle Ben

[RedAuthar]

The best example is SA2. Eggman will willingly blow up a country, yet he'll fight to save the whole planet.

That really doesnt make sense. Eggman blew up and island and the G.U.N. base, blew up half of the moon, and threatened to blow up the planet. But when the S.C. Ark was gonna kill all of them and destroy the planet he fights to save it. To me that shows Eggman is willing to be a bad villain but at the same time he's willing to save it. Gotta love video game logic

-Uncle Ben

Well think of it this way. Who would you rule if EVERYONE was destroyed?

[Uncle Ben]

The best example is SA2. Eggman will willingly blow up a country, yet he'll fight to save the whole planet.

That really doesnt make sense. Eggman blew up and island and the G.U.N. base, blew up half of the moon, and threatened to blow up the planet. But when the S.C. Ark was gonna kill all of them and destroy the planet he fights to save it. To me that shows Eggman is willing to be a bad villain but at the same time he's willing to save it. Gotta love video game logic

-Uncle Ben

Well think of it this way. Who would you rule if EVERYONE was destroyed?

True. But with video game logic you never know

[RedAuthar]

The best example is SA2. Eggman will willingly blow up a country, yet he'll fight to save the whole planet.

That really doesnt make sense. Eggman blew up and island and the G.U.N. base, blew up half of the moon, and threatened to blow up the planet. But when the S.C. Ark was gonna kill all of them and destroy the planet he fights to save it. To me that shows Eggman is willing to be a bad villain but at the same time he's willing to save it. Gotta love video game logic

-Uncle Ben

Well think of it this way. Who would you rule if EVERYONE was destroyed?

True. But with video game logic you never know

True. So True.

[Uncle Ben]

Yea. i kinda want the guy that voiced Robotnik in SatAM to be eggman's voice actor. even though SatAM's Robotnik voice actor creeped me out as a child

[RedAuthar]

Jimmy is pretty good no? Thing is he's still around and still voice acting...why haven't they asked him.

Then Eggman probably would be more of a villain.

[Uncle Ben]

Exactly. SatAM he sounded menacing and the guy parents warn kids to stay away from but he would make Eggman sound like a better villain

[Teirusu]

The old eggman is capable to convert all the world in machine (without doubt)

The middle eggman (lets say SA1 and SA2) is capable to destroy the world and try to build eggmanland (but smart move, lets destroy all and later build...eh wait...where you will build your new empire if you destroy the earth?)

The modern eggman don't make me feel the same the old ones...I mean, his fear, his darkness actitude...all dissapeared and the kid side is now more big than the darkness side...so I see now more like a clown than a evil genious...so In my opinion now it isn't capable to be a muderer.

[zelchias]

In theory, yes, Eggman is indeed a capable mass murderer; with a little deconstruction, he's quite horrific really. Or rather he would be, if it weren't for the fact that the narration of choice during those times decided there would be no lasting impact behind his more horrible deeds, which despite thier scope ultimately achieve little beyond property damage. Given his in-universe treatment by Sonic and co by this point this is probably for the best... better that he be treated as mostly harmless and somewhat comedic as a comedic villain, than suffer that treatment as a genuine, grade A complete monster. It'd make Sonic and co look remarkably sociopathic to take such an attitude, if that were the case.

[Uncle Ben]

Eggman is capable of anything. He has blown up islands, the moon and broke apart the world. Eggman is capable is basically capable of genocide if given the chance.