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[DerekHedgehog87]

I think BEFORE her current state (change for "Sonic Adventure"), she wasn't annoying at all. She pretty much was like Tails almost. Plus her design looks a lot like a hedgehog.

Now she looks nothing like a hedgehog & she acts nothing like her current age. She acts like she is half her age.

[The Man]

My understanding of sociology is limited but I'm sure there would be personality differences if it happened at the beginning as having your princess with you when your government is overthrown might give you more reason to fight.

That being said, Amy clearly wouldn't lead or plan many missions and could significantly change the outcome of the show.

Simply put, she wasn't the one meant for the show nor is her character designed to lead.

Sorry if I repeated someone.

[Gojira007]

Y'know, to be fair, I'm sure it'd be just as weird if Sally were to replace Amy in the games; without the uniquity of her role in the story of SatAM, her character would be fairly out of place. After all, in the SEGA 'verse, Eggman doesn't rule a good portion of the world, and that means no Freedom Fighters. No Freedom Fighters means Sally would be just another Princess, like Elise, without much of particular interest to do.

[Whammy]

Hmm...

Now, I'm interpreting this question from the perspective of saying that Sally never existed in SatAM continuity from the beginning, whereas I feel like some of you are seeing it as if Amy came along and Sally was offed, parted ways, whatever.

Going on that idea, I would definitely agree with the crowd and say it wouldn't work.

First, from the relationship standpoint: It usually doesn't work as well when the romantic interest is one-sided. It CAN work when it's the lead character doing the pining, because then you're more apt to root for the character when the love is finally reciprocated. When it's the opposite like this would be, it's harder to build that interest and easier to build annoyance. Furthermore, it gives Antoine even less usefulness, because without Sally to pine for, he loses a lot of his place.

From the leadership angle: Sonic and Sally actually compliment each other in that category, because where one is tactical, the other is gung-ho, and they find a way to make one strategy work when the other isn't. Amy can't bring that tactical side to the table, even if you were to incorporate her tarot ability from her Japanese roots. That wouldn't allow for a very solid Freedom Fighter group, as most of the rest of the group can't play that style day in and day out.

From the talent angle: Aside from Sally's tactical smarts, she was also incredibly agile, gymnastic and otherwise athletic. Amy didn't have that, really. Maybe she might have if allowed to flesh itself out in storyline, but it's hard to picture from the outset. Her Piko Hammer is very useful, but I'm not sure if it would find it's place here, especially since it wasn't established until Sonic the Fighters two years after SatAM ended. The only way to make her useful is to introduce her tarot ability that she supposedly has in her Japanese roots. It would actually provide a different approach to some angles, as predictions of doom or what may lie ahead could provide a serious and mysterious tone that would otherwise be missing. Leave that out, and Amy really does bring NOTHING to the table.

The bottom line is that there are many serious tones about SatAM, and replacing Sally with Amy would take too many of those tones away and not be able to replace enough of them.

[The Man]

Y'know, to be fair, I'm sure it'd be just as weird if Sally were to replace Amy in the games; without the uniquity of her role in the story of SatAM, her character would be fairly out of place. After all, in the SEGA 'verse, Eggman doesn't rule a good portion of the world, and that means no Freedom Fighters. No Freedom Fighters means Sally would be just another Princess, like Elise, without much of particular interest to do.

Well technically does Amy have any business on a Sonic SatAM forum anyway? Princess Sally is who she is because royalty gives orders as the others simply must follow and/or tag along.

Although Sally did make mistakes I don't think Knothole would ever consider impeachment or some other legal process to hold the leadership accountable if that applies.

And bigbrother and others are right in saying that Sally is better casted for the role. This is a SatAM board so you might run into a logical and/or bias viewpoint.

On a sidenote I almost quoted myself. I use to do that on the older boards to let people know that they missed what my post said and as a joke. But we are more serious here.

[Kaotix]

My opinion is that Amy would have been killed and or maimed the minute she hit the 'wrong' person with her hammer. And I personally doubt Amy would be able to control Sonic better than Sally.

So unless Amy had a severe personality overhaul (which would make her not Amy anymore) she could not forseeably replace Sally and get any credible results.

Sally has a cool head. Amy does not. Does Sally get sarcastic alot, especially to Sonic when he isn't using his head? Yeah. But she has yet to hit anyone. And if you have to beat or scare people into submission to do what you want, you aren't a leader. You're a bully. Not quite the image you would want for a 'Freedom Fighter.'

[Gojira007]

As a general rule, I actually don't think Sonic and Sally ever squabbled while on a mission. On the way back? Sure. In Knothole? Constantly. Heck, even when in the city prepping, the possibility's there. But I can't think of any time in the series when Sonic and Sally have given particular attention to some petty argument while actively on a mission. The only instance that comes to mind that might fit is when Sonic blows Sal off to go back into Robotropolis in "No Brainer", but even then it's a bit of a non-starter since Sonic leaves before the discussion goes anywhere.

[Jason Ryan]

Sally wasn't very athletic from what I remember.

To expand on what Whammy said, Sally showcased gymnastics in the episode Sonic and the Secret Scrolls.

She flipped and twirled onto that couch looking transportation device like a... well... gymnast. It's not really elaborated on unfortunately. Something she learned as a child, maybe?

[Cheezmatt]

What Bleak said.

For what it's worth, the defunct SatAM character bible described Sally as not only atheletic, but trained in martial arts - it was from her that Bunnie learned her own martial arts skills. Whether this fact was changed or written out of the series proper is anyone's guess.

[Gojira007]

The bible isn't really canon to the story unless aspects of it were actually implimented in the cartoon.

Seeing as how Bleak's pointed out an instance of Sally's athleticism, I'd say at least that part counts.

Getting heated into their banter has occassionally got them off task, and in many instances, I wouldn't even say that Sally was even being playfully sarcastic.

Most of the time, her admonishments to Sonic are ones of concern for his safety and the safety of the team, not bitter harping for no good reason. The rest is very much playful sarcasm. It's very rare for Sonic or Sally to be genuinely hurtful to the other, or any of the FFs for that matter, and if there's any time in the series when they were, I can't think of it. That's not to say it's impossible for such things to happen, and indeed I'd be willing to bet such an occurrence would be more or less inevitable, but its rarity in the show would seem to indicate it's a minor, unrecurring problem that really doesn't do much to harm Sally's leadership or Sonic's ability to act.

[The Man]

Well, it has already been decided and we're lucky it wasn't someone worse than Amy, Mina, or Sally although there might not even be a point to compare them. How many characters does a show need?

And 'what if' has a very long definition I think? I'm only trying to shorten it without guessing all the changes in history that might take place.

[Cheezmatt]

The bible isn't really canon to the story unless aspects of it were actually implimented in the cartoon.

No kidding. That's why I refer to it as defunct and of little use.

On an unrelated note (but still interesting), the surname "Acorn" is never mentioned in the series either, but that's still bandied around all the time anyway.

[Malus Hedgehog]

In my opinion, Amy really doesn't fit the show's mold, just as Sal (sadly) would seem out of place in sega.