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What if Amy Rose took Sally's place?

Started by SatAMHOG, Apr 28 2008 01:56 PM

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#21

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 05:28 AM

I hate to admit it, but you've got a pretty good handle on Sally there.

My illusions feel somewhat shattered now.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 11:26 AM

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Any thoughts on whether I've got that right?

I don't know. Most of the Sally fans I've met are female, truth be told. They seem to admire that she's a strong individual, and there's a trend of empathy toward the burden she carries as a Princess and leader of the Freedom Fighters. Then again, that's just my experience, and I'm generally not big on generalizations of groups of people, so who knows?

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#23 Guest_Tyrone_man_*

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 11:37 AM

Bah, Sally appeals to everyone for all of the above stated reasons, girls are just more vocal about it. I mean, we can overlook Amy, but it seems like an insult to them.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 12:06 PM

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Bah, Sally appeals to everyone for all of the above stated reasons, girls are just more vocal about it. I mean, we can overlook Amy, but it seems like an insult to them.

Just to be clear: I'm a big Sally fan, and I'm a guy. Like I said, I dislike generalizations and was only commenting on what I've seen.

#25 Guest_Tyrone_man_*

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 12:42 PM

Well, half of what made satam great were the characters, and how they related to sonic. Sally, being the closest to sonic, was obviously very important, regardless of how much you liked her. It helped give sonic a deeper persona, since an individual is largely qualified by those he/she interacts with. You take out Sally, and sonic loses his soft side, take out tails and he loses the big bro attitude. Then you end up with sonic X.

I shudder to think...

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 09:37 PM

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I'm glad I joined this forum; the insight into the characters is brilliant.

I agree wholly with that, including the fact that the absence of Sally and the Satam version tails would reduce the series to Sonic X.

What therefore happens if you take out Antoine?

A far better question of course, and more pertinent to this thread, how would the interpersonal relationships be affected if Amy DID replace Sally?

My guesses (and please don't hesitate to suggest a better analysis):

Amy and Sonic (Satam version of Sonic): He'd feel uncomfortable about her over-affectionate nature and probably frustrated at needing to keep her out of trouble, as opposed to the very independant and thoughtful Sally.

Amy and Tails (Satam version of Tails): After getting over the intial shock of Amy's personality Tails might possibly accept her as a friend. After all, tails is a very bright youngster and Amy is an older person with far less maturity - that brings them roughly onto a similar level.

Amy and Antoine: Both highly pretentious attention-seekers and extremely volatile, they'd clash at every possible opportunity. That could be interesting... also, both are proud of their cooking skills, so they'd be fiercely competitive over that. Just imagine if Amy tried to cook Crepes Suzette or soufflé with Antion anywhere nearby - there would be a food fight in seconds.

Amy and Bunnie: These two would probably get along fairly well, especially if they start talking girl stuff. I would only expect there to be a problem if Amy's impetuous nature put the team at risk, and then friction would occur.

Amy and Uncle Chuck: I expect Uncle Chuck would be patient enough to tollerate Amy up to a point, and diplomatic enough to reprimand her without overdong it. Beyond that I'm not sure if they could become friends.

Amy and Snively (don't forget that Snively would have joined the FF in Season #3): There would be a heated exchange any time that Amy got in Snively's way.

Amy and Dulcy: Probably the best chance for a friendship, since they both have playful personalities and are both ditzes (if that's the correct word). Dulcy might even take a part in protecting Amy.

Amy and Rotor: They probably wouldn't even notice each other, since they have no common interests. Rotor tends to be on the scene only when there's something technical involved in Knothole.

Amy and King Maximillian Acorn: Now here I'm not at all certain. If there were a swap, then he'd be upset at Sally being lost, but I really don't know how he'd react to Amy's presence.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 11:04 PM

Why do thoughts of Ayeka and Ryoko from Tenchi come to my mind every time someone mentions Amy being in SatAM?

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 10:13 AM

Going back to the idea that characters give quality to each other, as a 'whole is greater than the sum' type thing, I have to say: Amy = disaster.

The basic reasoning is one of family... satAM featured a bunch of 15 year old kids, no parents, and a free reign in the middle of an awesome forest. That means that, like anyone else, they needed a sense of family, and they did have that. Each character supplied what they had in wisdom, or talent, or just general life experience, which formed a very wide but complete home. Tails fed off of this all the time, they were all aunts and uncles to him, and it showed. Sally was like the den mother, and sonic was the irresponsible father figure (if you could say that). Add Amy as a replacement for Sally, and you lose that cohesion, you end up with the equivalent of a single family, with a bunch of wild siblings. As all such families have a hard time, we could expect that tails would end up a brat, and that sonic would eventually drown Antoine.
Really, if Amy became the leader of the group like Sal was, they would all have been dead before season 2. Actually, Episode 1, cuz she'd have no clue how to build a catapult. LOL

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:28 PM

As they say, it is our environment that defines us and makes us who we are. The complementation of personalities in SATam as is was an excellent setup and was the primary reason I grew attatched to the series. Even now, watching it almost 10 years since I first viewed it, I love it for its personality and character charm. Sally is one of the characters I miss most from the old SATam series and replacing her with amy would only make me angry. Absolute destruction would have made its way to knothole in episode 1 if you put Amy in Sally's place. I doubt she could fill the boots that Sally leaves behind. (Figuratively and literally)

And as for 'if you took away Antoine', my guess is you would lose Sonic's senseless comedic side. (I mean come on, all he basically does is play on Antoine's suffering) I'm probably way off, but that's just a rough guess! Anywho, I'm new to the forum and just thought I'd input something!

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 09:29 AM

Amy wouldn't fit in SatAM I mean look at her now; she's a loud-mouth, Sonic's obsessive, mallot hitter hedgehog. Sonic won't be peaceful in Knothole Village anymore if she's around. Amy would've smash Sally's place good when she's paired up with Sonic. SatAM would not be the same without Sally

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:46 AM

Tyrone_man and Razgrizblaze1, you have awe inspiring insight into the character dynamics. I think what you've written there is almost poetic.

I think we've all figured out that Amy would NOT fit into Satam and that if Sally were in Sonic X she'd trash Eggman in her 2nd episode if not her first confrontation with him. However I'd still like to see someone actually making an attempt to put this into a story. I love the idea of testing characters by putting them outside their normal situations, which in this case is both the removal of Sally and the introduction of Amy. I've had a go at writing a fanfic myself which didn't turn out too bad (at least it wasn't so horrible that I can't bear to read my own work) but many of you guys have infinitely better grasp of the character dynamics than I do.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 09:10 AM

I didn't write it, but this story seems to fit your request, Sebastian: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2872867/1/H ... urnies_End

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE ("Gojira007":zb6rjjlv)

I didn't write it, but this story seems to fit your request, Sebastian: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2872867/1/H ... urnies_End

Thanks! This is what I was hoping for.

I'm enjoying this. It's opposite the perspective I was working from; Amy arriving in the Satam continuity and finding it strange, whereas mine was Sally looking at the Sonic X continuity that way. The author has even described Satam Sonic with the same approach that I described the Sonic X version of Sonic.

I've finished chapter one... much more to read.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 07:05 AM

Personally, Sally is my second favorite character in the entire Sonic universe. She can do a lot more than what Amy could. Plus Amy's voice really annoyed me. Sally's voice wasn't really annoying at all. Plus we all knew Sally was in love with Sonic the whole time (why else would she kiss Sonic on the cheek and accompany him on missions a lot?). Amy Rose just had a crush on Sonic and it was clearly confirmed that Sonic does not love Amy Rose; he just sees her as a friend.

I cannot actually see Sonic actually being with Amy, since she is still a kid and he pretty much isn't. Amy Rose has a better chance of being with someone like Tails. But that's up to you guys.

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#35 Guest_Talonfire_*

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 06:59 PM

Mixing up different incarnations of characters, and characters exclusive to one universe sounds like an interesting fan fiction thing, actually. Racist SatAM Robotnik meets emo rodent Shadow, and SegaSonicSonic X Eggman.

And I agree with those who stated that Amy wouldn't fit in the SatAM setting... not as she is, anyway.

#36

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 08:09 AM

I don't know why, but reading the comments in this topic is bugging me.

Ok. So .people are saying that Amy wouldn't fit SatAM. You can't really say that because back when SatAM was created NONE of the Sonic characters had a real established personality. (Heck, Tails is portrayed as a naive kid in SatAM, when in the games he is actually a genius). With no real personality other than "girl who loves Sonic" to work with it wouldn't have been to hard to meld her into SatAM.
In fact I think she could have been quite an interesting character if she was included in the original show.

Now as for whether or not Amy should have replaced Sally as female lead.
I probably have to go with the general opinion and say no. The show wouldn't necessarily have been a disaster. Amy IS a fun character and such, and you can't say that without SatAM's Sally and Tails the Sonic would have turned into Sonic X Sonic because there were WAY more variables than them keeping Sonic's character interesting.
But I think Amy would work better as a backround character in SatAM ,like Tails, rather than a lead character.

#37 Guest_Miko_*

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 01:13 PM

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But since Sally came around, no one in their right mind seem to ever want to replace her. She's the kind of girl most guys would want, and she's the kind of girl that girls want to be like.

Many people consider that as to why Sal's a Mary-sue (on the flip side, the anti Amy camp could quickly deem her a Moe). I think the allure for characters like amy is because they aren't archetypical. We're living in age, where people are absorbed with "real"ness. Is Amy kind of s Moe? yeah kinda, but she's got a lot of personality traits that aren't desired. As for consumers, they no longer want their media to resemble their bibles, they don't want the protaganists to portray ideals. Hell even SEGA seemed to have geared up for this trend with Shadow (albiet they failed miserably). Besides some girls and guys have different aesthetics. Amy is cute and spunky where Sal is sass, sarcasm and "serious bussiness." It's a matter of preference, and to be really honest most girls I know that are into Sonic prefer girls like Amy to girls like Sally. Sally is a favorite by more of my guy friends.

As for Amy replacing Sal in SatAM...Well I think if Amy replaced Sally it wouldn't have to necessarily ruin the show. For one thing, it'd probably force more screentime between Sonic and other characters. I could see a lot of characters kinda picking up the weight for Sally and getting more screentime. As has been said before there are a lot of things that could go wrong replacing Amy with Sally, but everyone's already gone over that. so I thought I'd present a new food for thought by saying I think there are good consequences that could come from it.

#38

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 10:11 PM

I liked Amy in the Sonic the Comic comics... and honestly, that's about it. I find her extremely annoying in just about every other context.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 06:52 PM

I'd always imagined if anything had ever happened to Sally (death, replacement with Amy, etc.) Rotor would have to take up a lot of the slack. Without Sally as central leadership, Rotor is the only one who could come close to filling her shoes. He does prove to be intelligent and clever during season 1, and he is the reason the FF's had a chance against Doomsday. Amy doesn't quite have the charisma to head the group, and would only be useful in some sort of side role. Meanwhile, Rotor would be left to plan any engagement with Robotnik, bolstering the teams morale in the more desperate times.

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