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[RedSonic]

It doesn't helo that Robotization in the comics is about as threatening as acase ofthe Clap. I mean, there are multiple points in the "continuity" where they've pulled a de-roboticizer totally out of their asses. I'm not threatened by it in the comic--not like in the cartoon, where it was akin to a death sentence.

[MoKat]

It doesn't helo that Robotization in the comics is about as threatening as acase ofthe Clap. I mean, there are multiple points in the "continuity" where they've pulled a de-roboticizer totally out of their asses.

*nods* "Steel-belted Sally" from StH #29 is a prime example of that. There just -happened- to be a portable de-roboticizer in a crashed
hover unit. Furthermore, there was no attempt even made to reverse engineer said de-roboticizer; what were they thinking?!
Instead, they use it as part of a plan in which Sally gets captured and Roboticized.
*sighs*
I agree; roboticization was -way- more ominous in SatAM.

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BTW, welcome back, Red.

[Mithrandir]

I think we should be fair, though; issue 29 was still relatively early in the series' run, where they were still striking a balance between being more light hearted and adopting more of the dark tone that would become the norm over the course of the next handful of years.

Around the time of Robo-Robotnik's arrival and rise to power (around issue #75), robotization DID regain a sense of ominous dread, and it was done pretty darn well.

Now, granted, Ian wasn't writing in those days, so it's hard to tell how he'd handle it, but I'd say that once the comic was further along in it's run it handled it decently.

...Of course then it had that ridiculous alien storyline, but my brain sort of turned off at that point for awhile.

[henryiii]

Ian possibly was rich, and he paid a lump sum to get into the business.
There's my theory.

Me thinks it the ye old case of someone in the right place in the right time.

[Reed Teran]

Soon, when I start my Grim Tales of Reed Teran thread, ian will be put to shame.....
Might as well start it early, so I can slander Ian....
(Runs off to go look for GTRT papers.)

[LaserX5]

I have to say, I think picture 2 is magnificent - but then, I'm seeing it in isolation without knowing how the comic has been going. I never have kept up with the storyline. 'Mecha Sally' sounds too much like trying to revisit an old storyline - even without knowing the story behind the comics I don't buy it either.

It is an old storyline when I really think about it.

I mean, 230 was basically another version of 29.

The only difference is the fact Sally did it without telling anyone or having a override chip to keep her mind intact.

It doesn't help that Roboticization in the comics is about as threatening as acase of the Clap. I mean, there are multiple points in the "continuity" where they've pulled a de-roboticizer totally out of their asses. I'm not threatened by it in the comic--not like in the cartoon, where it was akin to a death sentence.

Couldn't agree more here.

Satam used a better plot when showing a deroboticizer.

It was something that was untested, risky, and could even backfire, as we saw in Sonic conversion.

Archie's version? HA!

"Oh yea, let get out our Deus ex machina device now that will fix whatever mess the roboticizer did earlier."

The irony though in this case, it looks Sally's predicament will not be a short term fix, according to Ian anyway.

Me thinks it the ye old case of someone in the right place in the right time.

That or he had some inner connections we know nothing about.

Soon, when I start my Grim Tales of Reed Teran thread, Ian will be put to shame.....
Might as well start it early, so I can slander Ian....
(Runs off to go look for GTRT papers.)

I can never tell when you're being serious or silly.

Still, your posts are very interesting to read to say the least.

[PuffinGrandeur]

He didn't have connections. He was the new guy to pretty much everybody. Nor is he rich, at all. It was just the right place at the right time (when management was changing and the old guard were all being laid to rest.)

[LaserX5]

He didn't have connections. He was the new guy to pretty much everybody. Nor is he rich, at all. It was just the right place at the right time (when management was changing and the old guard were all being laid to rest.)

Not saying you're wrong about your assessment here, but how do you know Ian wasn't rich or didn't have any connections?

I mean, like I wrote earlier, was Ian's fan comic really that big of a hit that Archie was sold on him after that?

I suspect not...

[Gojira007]

Not saying you're wrong about your assessment here, but how do you know Ian wasn't rich or didn't have any connections?

How do you know he was? Or that he did? Both here and on SMS, the only "proof" you and others who've talked about this inane "bribery" theory have offered are your meaningless opinion that you do not like Ian Flynn's writing, therefore it is impossible that anyone at Archie could have possibly looked at his stuff and thought, "this guy is what we want for this comic."

I've said this before, I'll say it again: I totally get why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic. I even understand why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic as passionately as they do. But this overpowering need to treat that opinion as justification for assuming just all sorts of nasty, baseless shit about the guy which crops up over and over and over in discussions about his time on the comic as of late drives me batty at a personal level.

[PuffinGrandeur]

He's had to work a second job before, he's definitely not rich. And look at the old staff before him: Penders didn't know him, Pellerito didn't know him, nobody knew him. He was the new guy, as was Tracy Yardley!. Nepotism was a huge problem with the old guard: taking Justin Gabrie away and bringing in Mike Pellerito was actually trying to move AWAY from that.

[LaserX5]

I've said this before, I'll say it again: I totally get why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic. I even understand why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic as passionately as they do. But this overpowering need to treat that opinion as justification for assuming just all sorts of nasty, baseless shit about the guy which crops up over and over and over in discussions about his time on the comic as of late drives me batty at a personal level.

You do make a good point there I have to say.

I guess these posts are turning into another, "Let's attack Ian." thread.

I was just curious as to what got him the head writing job at Archie.

[Reed Teran]

Thanks for that little morale booster thar, laserX5, #5 is up, #10: Nowhere to Run is coming soon.

[MoonPrincess07]

I didn't realize Ian was the Teletubby-crossover guy.
Interesting.

[blue]

How do you know he was? Or that he did? Both here and on SMS, the only "proof" you and others who've talked about this inane "bribery" theory have offered are your meaningless opinion that you do not like Ian Flynn's writing, therefore it is impossible that anyone at Archie could have possibly looked at his stuff and thought, "this guy is what we want for this comic."

I've said this before, I'll say it again: I totally get why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic. I even understand why people dislike Ian Flynn's run on the comic as passionately as they do. But this overpowering need to treat that opinion as justification for assuming just all sorts of nasty, baseless shit about the guy which crops up over and over and over in discussions about his time on the comic as of late drives me batty at a personal level.

I've honestly couldn't say it any better Gojira007.
While I do understand why people don't like the way Ian is doing or any modern stuff(I know it's unneccesary, but this is partially part of it), but deep down inside of me I'm just kinda sick of people saying the modern age suck and our childhood decade and the decades before us are permanentally superior and it should stay that way. I know its their childhood and there are some aspects of the modern age that suck, but people have to realize that their time has past and should move on and both the present and past aren't black and white.I'm not saying that you have to give up your childhood, but the people who're doing that are getting too serious about this.
Also, I think some of you, like LaserX5, are expecting too much. Though not as atrocious as AKnotHoleResident over a year ago, you're thinking that the comic should brainlessly follow SatAm after its cancellation. The problem is that the comic already started, even though the cartoon was in first on development, and already it estabished its own continuity from the start. For example, Bunnie Rabbot was never met Sonic and the gang and never lived in Mobotropolis in the comics. There are different writers to add on the table for their own creativity with supervision and approval with SEGA and Archie. If the comic did follow up SatAm, then some SatAm fans who are critical analyzers would accuse for being a SatAm knock-off, SEGA Sonic fans would feel betrayed for straying away too much from the games and think it's a victim of localization, and probably die off within approximatily 5 years.
I'm sorry this post is harsh, but I just want to say it.

[LaserX5]

Also, I think some of you, like LaserX5, are expecting too much.

Yea, I know I expect too much from what is, after all, just a kid's comic.

Though not as atrocious as AKnotHoleResident over a year ago, you're thinking that the comic should brainlessly follow SatAm after its cancellation.

While I admit I wish it did follow it, I was more implying I wish it would be well written like that show was.

The DIC writers seemed to put more effort into the story and characters.

But again, that's just my opinion.

If the comic did follow up SatAm, then some SatAm fans who are critical analyzers would accuse for being a SatAm knock-off, SEGA Sonic fans would feel betrayed for straying away too much from the games and think it's a victim of localization, and probably die off within approximately 5 years.

You'd probably be right about that, especially the part about SegaSonic fans.

I'm sorry this post is harsh, but I just want to say it.

Nah, it wasn't really harsh. Just straight shooting for the most part, and there's nothing wrong with that when done that, especially when done right.

Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that it's useless to kick a dead horse.

Archie Sonic is what it is, and I know it will not change anytime soon, if ever.

Best thing I realized is just to say it's non canon of the Sonic Universe and boycott it.

If others feel differently and like it, knock yourselves out.

[blue]

Also, I think some of you, like LaserX5, are expecting too much.

Yea, I know I expect too much from what is, after all, just a kid's comic.

Though not as atrocious as AKnotHoleResident over a year ago, you're thinking that the comic should brainlessly follow SatAm after its cancellation.

While I admit I wish it did follow it, I was more implying I wish it would be well written like that show was.

The DIC writers seemed to put more effort into the story and characters.

But again, that's just my opinion.

If the comic did follow up SatAm, then some SatAm fans who are critical analyzers would accuse for being a SatAm knock-off, SEGA Sonic fans would feel betrayed for straying away too much from the games and think it's a victim of localization, and probably die off within approximately 5 years.

You'd probably be right about that, especially the part about SegaSonic fans.

I'm sorry this post is harsh, but I just want to say it.

Nah, it wasn't really harsh. Just straight shooting for the most part, and there's nothing wrong with that when done that, especially when done right.

Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that it's useless to kick a dead horse.

Archie Sonic is what it is, and I know it will not change anytime soon, if ever.

Best thing I realized is just to say it's non canon of the Sonic Universe and boycott it.

If others feel differently and like it, knock yourselves out.

Oh, whoops. I thought you meant that the comics was supposed to pick up where SatAm left off.
To be honest, I don't know what's well written as a whole. I can understand the dialoge's grammer, spelling, and sentence structures and setting, but I still don't know.

[LaserX5]

To be honest, I don't know what's well written as a whole. I can understand the dialoge's grammar, spelling, and sentence structures and setting, but I still don't know.

I don't know it completely myself.

The best answer I can give is that when you read a story or see an episode on TV, it's one that ties things nicely together when it's all said and done.

It could even be one that leaves you with memorable moments that you want read or see again and again.

Or better yet... when you read a story or watch an episode, you can't think of anything that would make it better.

[MoonPrincess07]

Personally, I think the dialogue is very well written. It's neither ridiculously simple for older audiences, nor is it too complex for the younger audiences.
Really, I think Ian does very well with dialogue. Yes, his plot-stuff needs work. And I think the best way to achieve top-of-the-notch plot/dialogue is to actually have TWO people writing: one specifically for outlining and writing the plot and the other for dialogue. Now, I'm not saying neither can switch off from time to time, but I think being the main writer can quite stressful since you'd have to not only please your boss but also the increasingly large fanbase.

[LaserX5]

Personally, I think the dialogue is very well written. It's neither ridiculously simple for older audiences, nor is it too complex for the younger audiences.
Really, I think Ian does very well with dialogue. Yes, his plot-stuff needs work. And I think the best way to achieve top-of-the-notch plot/dialogue is to actually have TWO people writing: one specifically for outlining and writing the plot and the other for dialogue. Now, I'm not saying neither can switch off from time to time, but I think being the main writer can quite stressful since you'd have to not only please your boss but also the increasingly large fanbase.

Yea, I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head in this regard.

I admit Ian's dialouge is pretty decent to read, even getting a chuckle out of me here and there.

But anyway, maybe Yardley could help him with the plot part. I hear he wrote some interesting SU issues.

[RedSonic]

I just sort of resigned myself years ago to the fact that the comic seems to attract writers who are half decent, half stupid. As a kid I didn't notice a lot of the comics issues, but now they seem to glare at me like an unpopped zit. With the exception of the internet wrestling community, I've never seen a collection of fans who so solemnly swear they could do better than the hired creators/writers of a given fandom than Sonic's