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[blue]

This is coming from you, one of the guys whos been giving Flynn the most crap about what he does in the comic and especially with this whole Sally thing.

I never said I hated that idea of his entirely.

I just don't like at all the way Ian appears to be going with it.

I mean, was it really necessary that Sally ends up shot and then roboticized just to have a bombshell story?

Could Ian have not saved face when having her go through this?

That really is my main problem with Ian's current story idea. It was not so much the fact she's going to be a robot slave of Eggman's, but the fact she's going to be stuck this way for awhile, and then maybe have the traitor label added to her as well.

That's just way over the top.

Seriously, cut Sally a break, Ian.

Maybe Ian thinks that Sally going MIA and then found out that she's alive would create plotholes, it would be too draggy, never thought of it at the time, or think it's not cool and suspenseful enough to do this. Not saying it's a bad idea, I know a couple show do this idea like Riven went missing for a portion of episode 22 in Winx Club season 1. Granted this concept can be explained whether it's nonsensical or not.

[Shadow]

Pardon, I meant 250.

[LaserX5]

Maybe Ian thinks that Sally going MIA and then found out that she's alive would create plot holes, it would be too draggy, never thought of it at the time, or think it's not cool and suspenseful enough to do this. Not saying it's a bad idea, I know a couple show do this idea like Riven went missing for a portion of episode 22 in Winx Club season 1. Granted this concept can be explained whether it's nonsensical or not.

I personally believed Ian wanted to put Sally through the worst possible fate outside of death, just for the sake of enhancing the shock value in his readers, AGAIN.

When I really think about it, getting shot and then roboticized after the first fate was reversed... I doubt there's a much worse one than that. Well, maybe there is, but I can't think of anything else at the top of my head.

Yea, I know MIA is a very tricky story idea to pull off since it can go so many different ways and could indeed be a plot hole if not explained properly.

Still, if it's written correctly and explained well enough, it would basically have Sally coming out stronger inside and more resilient when it's all said and done. And that is a win-win IMHO.

Here... how can anything good from this?

I just don't see how.

Is Sally actually going to be a better character when her condition is finally reversed?

I honestly don't think so.

Granted, I don't know for sure where Ian is going with this, but this is going to be a very difficult story to pull off that the majority of the readers won't feel cheated after it's finally completed.

And also, what if bwrosas is right and it turns out to be just a nightmare of Sonic's?

Yes, the possibility of this happening is very low I'll admit, but since Ian actually did this in his Other-M comic, and the current comic is starting to turn into Other-M, I would say the odds of this happening is not impossible either.

Guess we'll have to wait and see unfortunately...

[blue]

Maybe Ian thinks that Sally going MIA and then found out that she's alive would create plot holes, it would be too draggy, never thought of it at the time, or think it's not cool and suspenseful enough to do this. Not saying it's a bad idea, I know a couple show do this idea like Riven went missing for a portion of episode 22 in Winx Club season 1. Granted this concept can be explained whether it's nonsensical or not.

I personally believed Ian wanted to put Sally through the worst possible fate outside of death, just for the sake of enhancing the shock value in his readers, AGAIN.

When I really think about it, getting shot and then roboticized after the first fate was reversed... I doubt there's a much worse one than that. Well, maybe there is, but I can't think of anything else at the top of my head.

Yea, I know MIA is a very tricky story idea to pull off since it can go so many different ways and could indeed be a plot hole if not explained properly.

Still, if it's written correctly and explained well enough, it would basically have Sally coming out stronger inside and more resilient when it's all said and done. And that is a win-win IMHO.

Here... how can anything good from this?

I just don't see how.

Is Sally actually going to be a better character when her condition is finally reversed?

I honestly don't think so.

Granted, I don't know for sure where Ian is going with this, but this is going to be a very difficult story to pull off that the majority of the readers won't feel cheated after it's finally completed.

And also, what if bwrosas is right and it turns out to be just a nightmare of Sonic's?

Yes, the possibility of this happening is very low I'll admit, but since Ian actually did this in his Other-M comic, and the current comic is starting to turn into Other-M, I would say the odds of this happening is not impossible either.

Guess we'll have to wait and see unfortunately...

I kinda doubt that because Ian's is abit dictated by his editor on which aspect can be greenlighted or not which makes sense since he/she is like the boss only not higher than president or CEO and SEGA won't like that since his fanfic is really dark for Sonic standard, but I'm not a psychic and we'll just wait and see.

[MistressAli]

On the surface it sounds like it might be an interesting idea, but I'm sure it'll be boring and robbed of any drama like it always seems to be. Like Knothole being decimated and then magically 'remade' in the next issue, totally eliminating any grief the FF's could have over the destruction of their sanctuary, as well as keeping them from being vulnerable and actually in danger from Eggman whilst 'homeless'.

I wonder how long roboticization will stay around. I always thought it was one of the unique and chilling things from SatAM. Having your body transformed, taken over, forced to do whatever the master said, even if that meant attacking and killing your own friends... and being aware the whole time. It's so creepy.

I wonder if Metal Sally will be totally mindless or retain her personality like roboticized Sniv and Eggman did (but still be under Egg's control) I think it'd be fun to have her at least have some personality and be able to converse with the baddies.

[LaserX5]

I kinda doubt that because Ian's is abit dictated by his editor on which aspect can be greenlighted or not which makes sense since he/she is like the boss only not higher than president or CEO and SEGA won't like that since his fanfic is really dark for Sonic standard, but I'm not a psychic and we'll just wait and see.

Yea, I know Ian has an editor.

Still, I actually could see where things got so bad in New Mobotropolis, the only way to fix it was have it just be a terrible nightmare, thus none of it ever happened.

Since Ian was allowed to have a magical fix after New Mobotropolis, I don't see why they wouldn't again, especially since they want a, "happy resolution." when it's all said and done.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Actually this isn't said to have a happy resolution, and they're clearly not going to end a multi-issue arc with "it was a dream." That's just dumb.

[LaserX5]

Actually this isn't said to have a happy resolution, and they're clearly not going to end a multi-issue arc with "it was a dream." That's just dumb.

If Ian could fix the city by just having "Nicole magically restore" it, then I don't see why a dream to "magically fix" all of the crap Ian's going to be doing in the upcoming issues later would be out of the question either.

Yea, it's a big long shot I'll admit, but Ian did this in his Other-M comic.

So until proven otherwise, I still believe this could happen.

[Reed Teran]

You know, I myself have actually drawn an entire set of Mecha Freedom Fighters aptly named "Reed's Mighty Mecha Fighters". This includes:
Boomer Rotor, complete with 155mm tank cannon.
Titanium Tails, with Razor sharp tails.
Cutter Antoine, a master of swordplay with a sword hand.
Shredder sally, a grim variant with long Clawblades and Shaping ability.
Sonic Ripper, able to go straight through bone.
Bionic Bunnie, a devilish bot that can rip you to pieces.
Shadow Gunner, Shadow with megaman-esque Chaos Guns on both arms.
And finally, the Reed Reaper, Scythe included.
I'm evil, aren't I?

[PuffinGrandeur]

If Ian could fix the city by just having "Nicole magically restore" it, then I don't see why a dream to "magically fix" all of the crap Ian's going to be doing in the upcoming issues later would be out of the question either.

Good thing he didn't do that then.

[LaserX5]

Good thing he didn't do that then.

You did notice I said later, right?

In other words, maybe around issues 240-249.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Oh, so you're basing his behavior on insane theoreticals, and then saying it'd make sense for him to do an insane thing because he might in the future do another insane thing.

Okay then.

[LaserX5]

Oh, so you're basing his behavior on insane theoreticals, and then saying it'd make sense for him to do an insane thing because he might in the future do another insane thing.

Okay then.

Is it possible for you to disagree with my viewpoints of this without you being rude and sarcastic?

Yes, this is pure speculation on my part I'll admit, but my theory here is not completely off the wall.

Have you read his Other M comic?

You should if you haven't, because I'm starting to notice some parallels between that and the recent circumstances of the Archie comic book.

[bwrosas]

Well, I can say this so far, that when you go to the DA site, that you will see in some of the Sally related groups there, that there is not much Mecha Sally art to be found, I mean some art is there, even before 230 was officially released, but not much.
Now I'm not saying there won't be anymore in the near future, because there will/might be, but from what I am seeing right now, the Mecha Sally Fan art will be overshadowed by the Original/SatAM/Yardly/Buter style Sally fan art.

Just throwing this out there for ya to think about.

[Vampfox]

Issue 230 just came out. By this time next month their will probably be tons of Mecha Sally art.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Yeah I'm betting this is gonna get some major coverage from the Sally fanbase. And whether that's positive or negative, that means a lot of fanart. I don't really know what the point is for this topic, but it's way too early to say "there's not enough."

[Speedy_25]

haven't gotten 230 yet so i wouldn't know

[RedAuthar]

Meh. It is just off to a slow start.

[LaserX5]

Meh. It is just off to a slow start.

I actually hope it stays that way.

This is an idea that should never have happened.

[Mithrandir]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the idea; if anything, it's something the comic has desperately needed.

My concern is with the potential execution.

I've always had two chief complaints about Ian's writing: I think he has a narrow scope/isn't particularly ambitious in his storytelling, and he has a horrible habit of eliminating drama and suspense from the comic.

In his defense, this storyline actually DOES bring some suspense into the equation, and it has the potential to be a great personal story delving into Sonic's emotions over what's happened.

However, many of us have simply been burned too often in the past to give the benefit of the doubt now. As it was said before, you had the story arc of Sonic being annihilated and Knothole being wiped out...only for everything to be all fixed by the next issue. We've read far too often as the heroes are powered up to Dragon Ball Z levels, taking out entire armies on their own, giving us no reason to think they're ever really in danger.

So I applaud the move here, but I'm still wary of how it will be handled.