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[PuffinGrandeur]

Eggman has built things that shoot fire. He's built an Egg Wyvern. All said and done, Dulcy is at best a single fight against the Freedom Fighters, and Sonic would probably win. She has no lasting power as a Robian, and can be worked around just like all the other really powerful robots Eggman's thrown out. But Sally's smart, and Sally knows how to beat both the bad guys and the good guys. Combine that with pure physical power, and you've got a force to be reckoned with. All her knowledge? Eggman's now. All her plans? Eggman's now. And the ability to counterplan around Eggman without relying on Sonic's improvisation skills? Those are on Eggman's side now too. By roboticizing Sally, Eggman takes away the princess, leader and tactician of the Freedom Fighters while also getting all those benefits for himself. Dulcy hasn't even been seen in years, and she's dumb as a rock. Her being physically intimidating isn't nearly as much of a threat as Sally being intellectually competent.

[LaserX5]

Eggman has built things that shoot fire. He's built an Egg Wyvern. All said and done, Dulcy is at best a single fight against the Freedom Fighters, and Sonic would probably win. She has no lasting power as a Robian, and can be worked around just like all the other really powerful robots Eggman's thrown out. But Sally's smart, and Sally knows how to beat both the bad guys and the good guys. Combine that with pure physical power, and you've got a force to be reckoned with. All her knowledge? Eggman's now. All her plans? Eggman's now. And the ability to counter plan around Eggman without relying on Sonic's improvisation skills? Those are on Eggman's side now too. By roboticizing Sally, Eggman takes away the princess, leader and tactician of the Freedom Fighters while also getting all those benefits for himself. Dulcy hasn't even been seen in years, and she's dumb as a rock. Her being physically intimidating isn't nearly as much of a threat as Sally being intellectually competent.

Dulcy hasn't been seen in years because Ian said he hasn't found a use for her. He admitted this on another website earlier this year.

And besides, I doubt she'd be dumb as a machine.

Anyway, another thought just occurred to me.

If Eggman wanted someone with brains to use against the city and its citizens, then why not go after Nicole?

She's by far smarter than Sally, not to mention has more info to use against the Republic of Acorn as well.

Now that I think about it, if Eggman could merge Nicole's A.I brain with Dulcy's roboticized body, then he'd really have one mondo super machine to utilize.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Eggman has tried to hack NICOLE before. He normally can't (although Snively once helped compromise her defenses with direct access.) NICOLE isn't smarter nor knows any more secrets than Sally where it really counts. Any extra knowledge she has is from being a computer, and he already has those.

[LaserX5]

Eggman has tried to hack NICOLE before. He normally can't (although Snively once helped compromise her defenses with direct access.) NICOLE isn't smarter nor knows any more secrets than Sally where it really counts. Any extra knowledge she has is from being a computer, and he already has those.

Uh, you do rememeber she was able to overhear what the citizens were saying about her a while ago, right? That tells me she knows alot more secrets than we even realize.

Combine that with the fact the city officials at point made her the main power source, and more than likely she overheard all of their confidential data about the city too...

I'd say she definitely knows quite a bit Eggman could use.

Now, does she have the ability to strategize like Sally can? I really don't know for sure, but I wouldn't put it past her.

Anyway, let's not also forget another thing. Nicole is not just your average super computer. She's basically one that can do so much more.

How else do you explain her being able to power the city and interact with the citizens?

And, as for Nicole's data being inaccessible, let's also keep in mind in 225, she was seriously weakened by Naugus. In fact, she was forced to go back to the handheld form if I recall correctly.

To say Eggman would not be able to break through her defenses and her use her super computer brain and knowledge against the Republic of Acorn is not entirely true.

In fact, I'm almost wondering Nicole will be merged with Sally when he uses that machine on her.

[PuffinGrandeur]

NICOLE doesn't know confidential information about the city, she IS the city. There's no secrets there to glean, it's just NICOLE spread over an old Eggman invention. NICOLE's never strategized outside of one incident, she's not the first robot to interact with people (and they use the Old Robotropolis as a power source,) and she wasn't ever hackable by Eggman. She was not forced into the handheld form, her nanites were destroyed by being converted into crystal through Naugus' magics. NICOLE knows gossip, but Sally knows real secrets, real plans, she's got brainpower in areas that NICOLE can't fully comprehend yet. Add that to a computer brain (which a robot would logically gain) and Sally now has every advantage stealing NICOLE would have outside of the city itself. And again, Eggman can't hack NICOLE. He's tried, and he didn't get anywhere without special direct access (such as the nanites or Snively's betrayal.)

[LaserX5]

She was not forced into the handheld form, her nanites were destroyed by being converted into crystal through Naugus' magics.

If her nanites were destroyed, then yea, I would say she was forced to return to her handheld form since she has no other place to go.

How else do you explain Sally taking Nicole away while Nicole looks very ill?

Even inside the Death Egg, Nicole showed signs of being weak after talking to Sally.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Not ALL her nanites were destroyed, just a couple chunks. New Mobotropolis is still there and she's still connected to it: she was in shock that somebody was actually able to do something to her.

[LaserX5]

Not ALL her nanites were destroyed, just a couple chunks. New Mobotropolis is still there and she's still connected to it: she was in shock that somebody was actually able to do something to her.

Who wouldn't be in shock after something like that?

Still, I believe Naugus did more damage to Nicole than Ian's letting on.

She acted just a bit too strangely before the Genesis arc for it be a mere coincidence.

[Inhibitor]

*chews popcorn*

[Shadow]

I think Ian is doing this simply as a gimmick maneuver to add a new twist in things. So Eggman in some ways stays a legitimate threat long after the Death Egg. Expect her to not get de robotisized until probably issue 275, since he did say the after effects of Genesis will last till the next milestone.

[LaserX5]

I think Ian is doing this simply as a gimmick maneuver to add a new twist in things. So Eggman in some ways stays a legitimate threat long after the Death Egg. Expect her to not get de robotisized until probably issue 275, since he did say the after effects of Genesis will last till the next milestone.

Wouldn't 250 be the next milestone though?

Ugh, I would so hate to see Sally roboticized for over 40 issues.

That is just too brutal for a main character.

[Prime]

Sally didn't deserve this kind of fate.

Wouldn't it be 'fate' if she stays like this permanently? It could be for a year, or perhaps till the next milestone like Shadow suggested, but it's highly unlikely Sally will remain like this forever now. Especially if fan outcry is so negative that Flynn is somehow forced to get her back to normal ahead of schedule.

I'll admit, the design doesn't wow me, looks tacky, but still, being the Sally fan I am, I'm actually interested in seeing where this goes. I might start reading the comics with issue 230 again to see where this is going.

[NeonZephyr]

...being the Sally fan I am, I'm actually interested in seeing where this goes.

This is basically how I feel. I love Sally. Her and Rotor were my favorite main characters of SatAM. And, as much as I hate that this is happening, I'm also really intrigued. Maybe it's my writer's complex: my favorite characters are the ones I like to throw the biggest boulders at. At the very least, we could get some massive character development when it's over and she has to deal with whatever she's done or caused (and since she's not SEGA-Sonic in origin, SEGA will meddle less in her actually getting development).

And to say she doesn't deserve it is to miss the point of writing entirely. If characters only ever got what they deserved, villains would never rise to rule, heroes would always save the day flawlessly, and no one would ever have to sacrifice their lives for their loved ones. But, this isn't realistic. It's actually boring. Even in a story about a blue hedgehog that runs really fast, we should expect realistic storytelling. I'll admit the concept is a little gimmicky, but it does remind us that life isn't fair. Conflict is the driving force of plot, and this is certainly a big one. The execution of writing said conflict and fallout, I'll judge after it's over and done, of course.

As for Nicole, this will certainly have a direct effect on her, either in corrupting her too (which I don't foresee, as we just had an "evil Nicole" story) or in her having to go with Sonic and also deal with losing her best friend, or (worst of all) being somehow trapped within Mecha Sally and having to watch helplessly while she does whatever evils Eggman forces her to. (For the record, I'm counting more on the second one happening. The third really has too much potential in being absolutely *twisted* in a way that might not be right for the comic's All-Ages aim. I would totally write it, but then I'm a twisted person like that.)

As for the design, I kinda like it, but...something seems off about it. Nothing seems to be WRONG per se, but it doesn't feel quiet right (like it's a concept art that got approved before they were really happy with it or something...). Maybe it's just the angle(s), as the face in 232 looked okay to me. (/shrug)

[LaserX5]

And to say she doesn't deserve it is to miss the point of writing entirely. If characters only ever got what they deserved, villains would never rise to rule, heroes would always save the day flawlessly, and no one would ever have to sacrifice their lives for their loved ones.

But, this isn't realistic. It's actually boring.

I think you misunderstood me when I said she didn't deserve that fate.

I never meant to imply Sally should never suffer any harm. That would indeed make the story and predictable.

What I really by that was Ian went too far in having Sally suffer in his recent story arc.

I mean, getting shot and then ending up as his robot slave for who knows how long...

That's just way over the top, even a bit brutal.

I don't think any character of this series has even been dealt that kind of blow back to back that soon. It almost makes me wonder why Ian even considered such a move in the first place.

Was this really done just for a dramatic story, or is this Ian's subtle way of showing how he really feels about Sally?

Anyway, as I've written in other threads, he could have gotten the exact same style of bombshell story he was shooting for if he just went the MIA route instead.

Have it so Sally take a huge risk in order to take down the Death Egg for the sake of her city, but she ends up stuck inside, where it soon crashes to the ground in a field miles off.

Then, have it where the Freedom Fighters search for her frantically through the ruins of Eggman's ship afterwards, but find nothing.

This in turn would make it a mystery of what happened to her.

Was she vaporized? Was she thrown out of the Death Egg after the collision and fell down a hole or cliff? Or is it possible she staggered out somewhere on foot after it crashed?

But of course, at the end of this issue, show a very subtle clue that she is still alive, but her whereabouts are currently unknown.

The Freedom Fighters of course would be shaken up about this, especially Sonic, and it would throw a huge curve ball into the war since Sally was a big part of their game plan.

Honestly, I don't see why this wouldn't work out better.

But no. instead, we just get a story of Sally getting it and becoming a villain.

And then to add the fact she'll could be considered the traitor by Silver? Good grief!

What's next? The citizens are going to walk all over her metal body after Sonic has to defeat her?

[PuffinGrandeur]

Sally just going missing is incredibly lame. It's so lame they made Sonic Underground from the concept.

[LaserX5]

Sally just going missing is incredibly lame. It's so lame they made Sonic Underground from the concept.

Apparently you didn't read my full post.

I said, "It will be a mystery about what happened to her."

The MIA part of it would be done subtly that nobody would think that. Plus, it would have the fans discussing where Sally currently is.

And secondly, what on earth does that have to do with Sonic Underground?

Aleena didn't go missing. She went into hiding. Big difference.

Seriously, why can't you be more open minded about different ideas?

Do you always think Ian can't ever have an idea that needs some improvement?

[Prime]

Seriously, why can't you be more open minded about different ideas?

This is coming from you, one of the guys whos been giving Flynn the most crap about what he does in the comic and especially with this whole Sally thing.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

#275? That would be 2015!
I don't think Sally will be Mecha Sally that long!

[blue]

Seriously, why can't you be more open minded about different ideas?

This is coming from you, one of the guys whos been giving Flynn the most crap about what he does in the comic and especially with this whole Sally thing.

LaserX5 does have some reaons why he doesn't like the ways Ian's doing and I can't blame him for that, but I have to admit, he and some of the others that I can't named because it would be disrespectful and hurtful act abit like fan brats and nostalgians(I don't really like to say 'nostalgiatards') when it comes for extreme changes and making modern look and way like some people accused Tracy Yardley for "stealing" Scott Shaw's ! even though it's a tribiute but some of you would probably say tribiute to my a**, SegaSonic aspects inserted to the comics are overshadowing the SatAM aspects even though some of them are still there, and some oldschool fans accused the game adaptations for interfering and altering the comic's story even though most of them aren't part of the main story and they were just advertisements.
Before you say that I'm being disrespectful to SatAM and its fanbase, I'm not and I watched it and enjoyed it all the way through and besides I've seen worse fanbases where they get into flame wars for ridiculious reasons and some of them can be disrespectful to others which is why some trolls exploit this. Most of you have constructive, reasonable criticisms and don't resort to swear much and disrespect others if something bugs you. Overall, you guys are great despite some problems I have and I never regret to join this forum.

[LaserX5]

This is coming from you, one of the guys whos been giving Flynn the most crap about what he does in the comic and especially with this whole Sally thing.

I never said I hated that idea of his entirely.

I just don't like at all the way Ian appears to be going with it.

I mean, was it really necessary that Sally ends up shot and then roboticized just to have a bombshell story?

Could Ian have not saved face when having her go through this?

That really is my main problem with Ian's current story idea. It was not so much the fact she's going to be a robot slave of Eggman's, but the fact she's going to be stuck this way for awhile, and then maybe have the traitor label added to her as well.

That's just way over the top.

Seriously, cut Sally a break, Ian.