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[LaserX5]

I mean what sense does that make? None really if you ask me.

I couldn't agree more.

But this is Archie and Ian we're talking about.

They're known for making moves that make absolutely no sense 7 out of 10 times.

Which leads to believe that it's possibly something more then meets the eye.

You could be right about that...

But what is it exactly?

And can it really be that simple though?

Just a dream of Sonic's?

[PuffinGrandeur]

There is 0% chance it's all a dream. And if it didn't make any sense, then you shouldn't have been able to predict it. The death in 225 gave an initial shock and softened the blow of 230, with Genesis acting as her swan song. It was an incredibly basic build up -> payoff matter. There's nothing that makes zero sense about it.

[LaserX5]

There is 0% chance it's all a dream.

You don't know that for sure.

More than likely it won't happen since I said earlier that Sega and Archie wouldn't allow it.

But since it's been done once, it happening again is not completely impossible either.

The death in 225 gave an initial shock and softened the blow of 230, with Genesis acting as her swan song. It was an incredibly basic build up -> payoff matter. There's nothing that makes zero sense about it.

You honestly think Eggman taking a blowtorch to Sally as a roboticized squirrel makes any sense?

Or the fact most of the other main characters hardly seem affected by Sally's sacrifice?

It doesn't at all to me.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I know it absolutely for sure. 0% chance. Not happening. Not a single story element has been revealed as just a dream since this run began, and even back in the day no story element taken over the span of more than one issue was treated that way. "It's been done" is not a valid answer, as no, it certainly has not. This is not St. Elsewhere.

And Eggman putting a blowtorch to a new robot is quite logical, actually. It's absurd in the same sense that a robot hedgehog witha jet engine stomach is absurd, but it's not illogical. And the main characters are clearly affected, when they aren't busy being traumatized by other things happening at the same time. Elias nearly broke down, and NICOLE DID break down, but seeing as you didn't read 232 before you assumed what was going on in it, you probably wouldn't know.

[Prime]

And the main characters are clearly affected, when they aren't busy being traumatized by other things happening at the same time. Elias nearly broke down, and NICOLE DID break down, but seeing as you didn't read 232 before you assumed what was going on in it, you probably wouldn't know.

Yep, pretty much this.

Also, I can remember LaserX5 got butthurt about what happened to Bunnie in #231, saying that it seemed like Ian was out to get all the SatAM cast members and then look what happened to her in #232? I've yet to hear what his reaction to that was.

No offence LaserX5, but seriously, you do a lot of assuming and giving Ian stick when you don't even know what his ultimate plan for this storyline is. Seems like you're hating on him for the hell of it.

[LaserX5]

I know it absolutely for sure. 0% chance. Not happening. Not a single story element has been revealed as just a dream since this run began, and even back in the day no story element taken over the span of more than one issue was treated that way.

As I said, you may be right.

But for now, we don't know.

All I'm saying is, it's not an impossibility.

Unless you know personally how the story's going to end, it's basically pointless to say this or that will never happen.

In this comic, anything is possible.

And Eggman putting a blowtorch to a new robot is quite logical, actually.

It's not logical when that robot is Princess Sally.

This isn't Metal Sonic or Silver Sonic III we're talking about, which are basically soulless machines. This is one of the Freedom Fighters turned into a robot slave.

Big Difference.

but seeing as you didn't read 232 before you assumed what was going on in it, you probably wouldn't know.

If anything, it seems you like to assume things about me than the other way around.

I read 232, ok? And yes, Elias showed some reaction, but more like shock than anything.

And Nicole's reaction of Sally's fate by the way was written by Tracey Yardley.

Also, I can remember LaserX5 got butthurt about what happened to Bunnie in #231, saying that it seemed like Ian was out to get all the SatAM cast members and then look what happened to her in #232? I've yet to hear what his reaction to that was.

I don't see the point in giving it if you're just going to criticize me about it.

No offence LaserX5, but seriously, you do a lot of assuming and giving Ian stick when you don't even know what his ultimate plan for this storyline is. Seems like you're hating on him for the hell of it.

I admit I don't know the ultimate outcome. It could be the end result will be something that will take us all by surprise.

Although, when I hear the words, "downward spiral" it can't be anything good.

[Prime]

Also, I can remember LaserX5 got butthurt about what happened to Bunnie in #231, saying that it seemed like Ian was out to get all the SatAM cast members and then look what happened to her in #232? I've yet to hear what his reaction to that was.

I don't see the point in giving it if you're just going to criticize me about it.

I'm criticizing you on the grounds you got all pissy about what happened to her in #231 and yet have said nothing about what happened to her in #232. Something bad happens to someone? RAAAAAAAGE! Something good happens to someone? *Hears total silence*

Bottom line is you've been butthurt about this comic for ages, saying things like Flynn hates the SatAM cast because of the way he is treating them and then look what he does with Bunnie and you've said jack all about that. Bunnie finally gets what she's always wanted, showing Ian isn't the heartless bastard people make him out to be and you clam up and don't say anything about it. Seems to me and some others that you find tiny littles things to get pissy about just to use as an excuse to hate on Flynn some more.

Seriously, if this comic pisses you off so much, then stop reading it.

[LaserX5]

I'm criticizing you on the grounds you got all pissy about what happened to her in #231 and yet have said nothing about what happened to her in #232. Something bad happens to someone? RAAAAAAAGE! Something good happens to someone? *Hears total silence*

I don't need to say my piece on here because I've already given it on other sites. I'd just beating another dead horse.

Plus, with you or Puffin always jumping down my throat whenever I give my opinion, I've grown tired of the back and forth, "You're wrong." "No, you're wrong." arguments.

It's getting monotonous.

But this I will say this...

I admit I jumped the gun on the whole Bunnie crystallization thing.

With her being one of Ian's favorites, it completely perplexed me at the time why she was subjected to that.

Now that I know why, I realized it only enhanced my suspicions just how much he does like her.

Nevertheless, it was still a bad move on Ian's part.

The explanation for how she was changed back made no sense and it couldn't have come at a worse time might I add.

With things now chaotic in their world, the FF's desperately need Bunnie's robotic abilities at this point.

Bunnie finally gets what she's always wanted, showing Ian isn't the heartless bastard people make him out to be and you clam up and don't say anything about it.

As I told you, I had my say on other sites.

But personally, I think Ian has ulterior motives for turning Bunnie back to normal now.

The timing of the whole thing is just very suspicious to say the least.

Seems to me and some others that you find tiny littles things to get pissy about just to use as an excuse to hate on Flynn some more.

You mean like Sally getting shot three times with a turret gun, or ending up roboticized with Eggman now taking a blowtorch to her?

Or the fact he admitted he only built her up so she would have this dramatic fall she's currently in?

Yea, you're right. I'm way overreacting to Ian's work.

Seriously, if this comic pisses you off so much, then stop reading it.

Well, rest assured, you got your wish.

232 was the last straw for me.

I waited until then because it was supposed to be the issue where everyone reacted to Sally's big sacrifice.

I thought at the very least I would see the others deeply affected by it.

Boy, was I wrong...

Other than Elias, Sonic and Nicole, the other's reaction was like, "Sally got roboticized? Oh, that's too bad. I wonder what's on TV now?"

[PuffinGrandeur]

Other than Sonic, Elias, Geoffrey, Knuckles (who made a big reaction) and NICOLE (who reacted in 232 which was not by Yardley!), who made a big appearance?
Antoine and Bunnie, who are way too busy with their own thing (and didn't actually hear the news during the issue.)
Naugus, and why should he care?
Julie-Su, and she barely knows Sally.
Everybody who knew her reacted strongly and kept that reaction. Like I said, you just make stuff up to whine and moan about. I'm not saying you complain about future stuff without knowing what's going to happen like Blue is pointing out (although you do,) I'm stating that you complain about things without even knowing what's ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE BOOK, HERE AND NOW. The constant conspiracy theories don't help.

And yes, there is a difference between a soulless machine and Sally Robot. The difference is Eggman doesn't like Sally, so taking a blowtorch to a robot one probably gives him the tinglies.

[Prime]

I don't need to say my piece on here because I've already given it on other sites. I'd just beating another dead horse.

Oh, sorry, I guess it's my bad that I don't go to other sites just to read your opinions.

But... Then again that excuse doesn't cut it because all you do here is bitch and whine about Ian Flynn. Beating a dead horse indeed.

Plus, with you or Puffin always jumping down my throat whenever I give my opinion, I've grown tired of the back and forth, "You're wrong." "No, you're wrong." arguments.

Maybe because your opinions don't hold any water and tend to be excuses to hate on Ian.

So we're all entitled to our opinions, but you just wanna hate on Flynn by the looks of it.

You mean like Sally getting shot three times with a turret gun, or ending up roboticized with Eggman now taking a blowtorch to her?

Or the fact he admitted he only built her up so she would have this dramatic fall she's currently in?

Yea, you're right. I'm way overreacting to Ian's work.

Yeah, you are overreacting. You're overreacting to a comic aimed at children. This is all it is at the end of the day and you rage hard at it. So boo hoo if Ian has done what he has done to Sally? His done it to the Archie version of Sally and not the SatAM version. Archie and SatAM are not of the same universe so why should it matter? Archie Sally is a mess of a character anyway. If Ian is doing such a terrible job with this book, then why is it still being published? He has to be doing something right if it's one of Archie's top selling books. Your constant whining about how SEGA or whoever is behind what is happening in the comics doesn't hold water at all, you have no proof that SEGA demanded Ian do this to Sally, you just want to belive it. I honestly doubt SEGA is demanding anything at all to do with the comics. At the end of it, they get a nice little chunk of change from letting Archie have the license and then the only thing they probably demand in the odd story to whore out their latest game. Sure, maybe they have someone who looks over each issue, but I honestly doubt that person is making Ian do all those mean things to Sally that upset you so much. Characters are constantly built up to be knocked down a few pegs, it happens, stop acting like Sally is something special.

From what I can see from what I've been reading, Flynn is doing a much better job as a writer then Penders and Bollers ever did. This book can actually be fun and not a major headfuck like it use to be. Is it good reading? Not really, but it's better then it use to be. So Flynn has done something to Sally like shot her (only for it to be changed through the magic of time travel) and then roboticized. Yeah, this proves how much he hates her, Flynn is really out to get her.

If it makes you rage so hard, why don't you do one better? Why don't you go apply for a job at Archie and tell them Ian's writing is so terrible and that you can do better? Afterall it worked for Ian, his proposals were enough for Archie to hire him, so why don't you? Oh wait, maybe because you're not a professional writer. So then why don't you go the next logical step and start sending Ian Flynn death threats, maybe then you'll get what you want if you scare him enough.

Oh, and as for you quitting the comic?

Well, rest assured, you got your wish.

Yeah, I'm sure it is, up until #233 comes out and you get all butthurt about that issue too.

[saber16]

Personally, I really like where Ian is taking this story. Now, I haven't kept up with the comic for quite some time (been meaning to), but after seeing the events that lead up to the genesis arc and now mecha Sally, I'm really curious to see what he does. Sally getting roboticized? I love it. Don't get me wrong, she's a cool character, but this makes the story exciting.

The freedom fighters have stopped Eggman and saved the world, but now they've lost Sally... and all the stuff with Naugas winning over everyone. The characters are given some problems. They must fix said problems. And on top of that, Bunnie has now been turned back to normal. For nearly two decades, that's what her goal has been. It's been her dream, and now... she feels she can't help anyone anymore. These are some really interesting twists to the story and I'm really excited to see were things go, from what the loss of their former leader will do to the freedom fighters, what Eggman plans to do to Sally, how Bunnie will adapt to the sudden change, to what will happen with Naugas and these strange side effects that are happening with his powers.

I'm going to have to get caught up on this fast. Overall, I can't wait to see what Ian has in store.

[LaserX5]

But... Then again that excuse doesn't cut it because all you do here is bitch and whine about Ian Flynn. Beating a dead horse indeed.

I have my reasons, ok? It's not like some of my issues with the comic doesn't hold some merit.

And what I meant by beating a dead horse is that nothing is going to change, so why keep rehashing it?

Ian is going to do what he's going to do.

5 million fans could protest loudly at him about his latest story arc and he still wouldn't change it.

Maybe because your opinions don't hold any water and tend to be excuses to hate on Ian.

If you really think that, then you obviously haven't read my posts that clearly in the past.

So we're all entitled to our opinions, but you just wanna hate on Flynn by the looks of it.

No, I don't just want to hate on the head writer.

I'm just shocked by all the moves he's pulling off now.

This is looking more like Other-M V2.0 with every passing issue.

Of course, that is just my opinion.

If Ian is doing such a terrible job with this book, then why is it still being published? He has to be doing something right if it's one of Archie's top selling books.

That's because most of the comic's fanbase I believe is SegaSonic.

Of course they're buying the book. Their favorite characters aren't getting misused like the Archie Sonic ones are.

Stop acting like Sally is something special.

Yea, that's true. After all, with Sally only being one of the main characters since Issue 1, the main love interest to Sonic and plays a large role in the fight against Robotnik... Yea, Sally is nothing special at all.

If it makes you rage so hard, why don't you do one better? Why don't you go apply for a job at Archie and tell them Ian's writing is so terrible and that you can do better?

If I thought it would do any good, I would.

But of course, it's completely pointless.

They like what they have. Simple as that.

Afterall it worked for Ian, his proposals were enough for Archie to hire him, so why don't you? Oh wait, maybe because you're not a professional writer. So then why don't you go the next logical step and start sending Ian Flynn death threats, maybe then you'll get what you want if you scare him enough.

Dude, your criticsm of me is really getting disturbing now.

As I said in another thread, I have nothing against Ian Flynn as an individual.

I just deeply hate his writing on the comic.

That's all.

Yeah, I'm sure it is, up until #233 comes out and you get all butt hurt about that issue too.

No, I'm serious this time.

232 is the last issue I'll ever read.

What's the point in reading it anymore? So I can see more anti-Sally stories where Eggman is going to turn her into a some super battle droid, Amy getting a bigger role in her absence and maybe seeing Sally end up as Silver's traitor where he'll then try to destroy her?

Yea, no thanks.

Anyway, this argument is getting pointless.

If you don't like what I have to say and think the comic is still good, fine, read it all you want. I really don't care anymore.

Just quit making this so personal and attacking me over it.

[blue]

There is 0% chance it's all a dream.

You don't know that for sure.

More than likely it won't happen since I said earlier that Sega and Archie wouldn't allow it.

But since it's been done once, it happening again is not completely impossible either.

The death in 225 gave an initial shock and softened the blow of 230, with Genesis acting as her swan song. It was an incredibly basic build up -> payoff matter. There's nothing that makes zero sense about it.

You honestly think Eggman taking a blowtorch to Sally as a roboticized squirrel makes any sense?

Or the fact most of the other main characters hardly seem affected by Sally's sacrifice?

It doesn't at all to me.

I can see the effects on Sally's Death to the some main characters, but that's just me.

I don't need to say my piece on here because I've already given it on other sites. I'd just beating another dead horse.

Oh, sorry, I guess it's my bad that I don't go to other sites just to read your opinions.

But... Then again that excuse doesn't cut it because all you do here is bitch and whine about Ian Flynn. Beating a dead horse indeed.

Plus, with you or Puffin always jumping down my throat whenever I give my opinion, I've grown tired of the back and forth, "You're wrong." "No, you're wrong." arguments.

Maybe because your opinions don't hold any water and tend to be excuses to hate on Ian.

So we're all entitled to our opinions, but you just wanna hate on Flynn by the looks of it.

You mean like Sally getting shot three times with a turret gun, or ending up roboticized with Eggman now taking a blowtorch to her?

Or the fact he admitted he only built her up so she would have this dramatic fall she's currently in?

Yea, you're right. I'm way overreacting to Ian's work.

Yeah, you are overreacting. You're overreacting to a comic aimed at children. This is all it is at the end of the day and you rage hard at it. So boo hoo if Ian has done what he has done to Sally? His done it to the Archie version of Sally and not the SatAM version. Archie and SatAM are not of the same universe so why should it matter? Archie Sally is a mess of a character anyway. If Ian is doing such a terrible job with this book, then why is it still being published? He has to be doing something right if it's one of Archie's top selling books. Your constant whining about how SEGA or whoever is behind what is happening in the comics doesn't hold water at all, you have no proof that SEGA demanded Ian do this to Sally, you just want to belive it. I honestly doubt SEGA is demanding anything at all to do with the comics. At the end of it, they get a nice little chunk of change from letting Archie have the license and then the only thing they probably demand in the odd story to whore out their latest game. Sure, maybe they have someone who looks over each issue, but I honestly doubt that person is making Ian do all those mean things to Sally that upset you so much. Characters are constantly built up to be knocked down a few pegs, it happens, stop acting like Sally is something special.

From what I can see from what I've been reading, Flynn is doing a much better job as a writer then Penders and Bollers ever did. This book can actually be fun and not a major headfuck like it use to be. Is it good reading? Not really, but it's better then it use to be. So Flynn has done something to Sally like shot her (only for it to be changed through the magic of time travel) and then roboticized. Yeah, this proves how much he hates her, Flynn is really out to get her.

If it makes you rage so hard, why don't you do one better? Why don't you go apply for a job at Archie and tell them Ian's writing is so terrible and that you can do better? Afterall it worked for Ian, his proposals were enough for Archie to hire him, so why don't you? Oh wait, maybe because you're not a professional writer. So then why don't you go the next logical step and start sending Ian Flynn death threats, maybe then you'll get what you want if you scare him enough.

Oh, and as for you quitting the comic?

Well, rest assured, you got your wish.

Yeah, I'm sure it is, up until #233 comes out and you get all butthurt about that issue too.

There are terrible books in comics that got green-lighted like Countdown, Amazon's attack, Ultamite Marvel's Ultamium, etc. I get where you're going, but let LaserX5 criticize Ian with all his might and your criticism to his post is slightly harsh.

[Prime]

There are terrible books in comics that got green-lighted like Countdown, Amazon's attack, Ultamite Marvel's Ultamium, etc. I get where you're going, but let LaserX5 criticize Ian with all his might and your criticism to his post is slightly harsh.

Yeah, maybe it is harsh, but then what you're saying is it's okay for Laser to criticize Ian all he wants and get mad at a comic aimed at kiddies but it's not okay for me to criticize him on the grounds that his getting super butthurt about it. I told him before if it upsets him, to stop reading it. Why keep reading a comic if it upsets you so much? Why keep giving a company that is producing something you hate your money every month or so? Maybe he likes to complain about the comic? I dunno, but I don't see the logic on complaining constantly about something you can't change and hate on someone because they did something you didn't like and you continue to hate on them while the storyline is still ongoing and you have no idea as to how it will be resolved and yet keep giving this company your money. And then when someone gives a possible valid point you just shrug them off rather then listen.

There was a reason I stopped buying Sonic video games after Sonic Heroes came out. Wanna know why?, Because I found them shit and I didn't wanna keep giving Sega my money.

Laser claims himself to be a SatAM Purist, which is fine. Afterall this site is dedicated to SatAM and SatAM is the only Sonic continuity I really give a toss about anyway. Everything else I don't care about. I only collect the comics because there's mad money to be invested in it and it's only recently I gave a look at some of Ian's work which I don't think is that bad at all. I still don't care for the comic's continuity however. But yes, so Laser is a SatAM Purist, but if that's the case, then why does he get so mad at the comics on the grounds of what happens to the SatAM related characters? The comics are not, repeat, not SatAM. Yes they use SatAM characters, just like they use SEGA characters, but these characters are not the same characters from their respective continuities. The Sega Sonic is a seperate one to Archie Sonic. The SatAM Sonic is a seperate one to Archie Sonic. SatAM Sally is not the same Sally as the one in Archie. You can claim that the comic is the last piece of Sonic material that's keeping SatAM alive, but is it really? The characters are nothing like they use to be. If anything is keeping SatAM alive it's the actual show's fanbase.

Sure, Archie used characters and elements from SatAM, but Archie is a clusterfuck of all other Sonic universe. It's taken bits and pieces of the Sega games, SatAM, AoStH, even Feleetway and made it's own little universe. A little universe that is seperate from all the others.

Look at it like this, IDW currently own the publishing rights to Transformers comics and they did a mini-series last year called LAST STAND OF THE WRECKERS which ended with one of my personal favourite characters hanging on for dear life. I didn't get super butthurt about it, I didn't rage hard, I didn't cry and throw a tantrum on the internet about it. Why? Because it's just a comic book. I found LSOTW to be a great story which I had fun reading and if it lead to Springer going to the big junkyard in the sky, so be it. There's various other continuities with him and even if the story was awful I wouldn't of cared much, lord knows there's been a lot of crappy Transformers stories, always gonna get those. Why get so worked up about it? I'm 26 years old, I'm not a little kid anymore.

If Laser wants to think I'm making it personal, let him. To me it ani't personal at all, I've just tried to get some valid points across like some others have and he didn't wanna know because he seems to think he knows what Ian is planning. But at the end of it, he's the one getting super pissy at the comic for roboticizing Sally and Eggman taking a blowtorch to her without knowing what's going to happen in the long run about it. And if he wants to let Ian Flynn keep trolling him, then that's his problem.

[LaserX5]

You can claim that the comic is the last piece of Sonic material that's keeping SatAM alive, but is it really? The characters are nothing like they use to be. If anything is keeping SatAM alive it's the actual show's fanbase.

Ok, I have to admit, you make a strong argument here.

The comic is sure not making the characters more memorable in the long run.

If anything, they're becoming less memorable.

If Laser wants to think I'm making it personal, let him. To me it ain't personal at all.

If it wasn't personal, you shouldn't have written about suggesting that I send Ian death threats.

That to me is a very personal attack because that is something I would never attempt, even I do deeply hate Ian's writing.

I've just tried to get some valid points across like some others have and he didn't wanna know because he seems to think he knows what Ian is planning. But at the end of it, he's the one getting super pissy at the comic for roboticizing Sally and Eggman taking a blowtorch to her without knowing what's going to happen in the long run about it.

I admit I don't know what will happen in the long run.

But this I do know... It can't be anything good, especially after hearing the words, "downward spiral."

And if he wants to let Ian Flynn keep trolling him, then that's his problem.

Who ever said I'm letting him troll me?

Just because his stories are getting worse doesn't mean he's going to keep aggravating me about it.

I have other ways to deal with this.

[Reed Teran]

If I may innocently interject,.....

Mr. Flynn DOES have his good things(bunnie finally losing her robian parts) and some bad things(mecha sally), but one must know that there is worse garbage out there. I've read fanfic after fanfic of torturous garbage, including Mecha Sally X Metal Sonic, the Knux-Mina trilogy, and the Robian Bunnie Adventures… and even a "Ed, Edd and Eddy" spoof, Sonic,Tails N Knux, my god the nightmares. Just think. If Ian was a fan who got picked to write for archie sonic, be VERY grateful it isn't one of these creeps. So, after bashing Ian once, and then reading a few...bad...fanfics, I recall my words. There are WORSE writers than Ian Freakin Flynn.

[Prime]

If it wasn't personal, you shouldn't have written about suggesting that I send Ian death threats.

That to me is a very personal attack because that is something I would never attempt, even I do deeply hate Ian's writing.

Yeeeeeah, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well across the internet, does it?

If you really thought I meant the death threat thing seriously, then for shame.

[blue]

There are terrible books in comics that got green-lighted like Countdown, Amazon's attack, Ultamite Marvel's Ultamium, etc. I get where you're going, but let LaserX5 criticize Ian with all his might and your criticism to his post is slightly harsh.

Yeah, maybe it is harsh, but then what you're saying is it's okay for Laser to criticize Ian all he wants and get mad at a comic aimed at kiddies but it's not okay for me to criticize him on the grounds that his getting super butthurt about it. I told him before if it upsets him, to stop reading it. Why keep reading a comic if it upsets you so much? Why keep giving a company that is producing something you hate your money every month or so? Maybe he likes to complain about the comic? I dunno, but I don't see the logic on complaining constantly about something you can't change and hate on someone because they did something you didn't like and you continue to hate on them while the storyline is still ongoing and you have no idea as to how it will be resolved and yet keep giving this company your money. And then when someone gives a possible valid point you just shrug them off rather then listen.

There was a reason I stopped buying Sonic video games after Sonic Heroes came out. Wanna know why?, Because I found them shit and I didn't wanna keep giving Sega my money.

Laser claims himself to be a SatAM Purist, which is fine. Afterall this site is dedicated to SatAM and SatAM is the only Sonic continuity I really give a toss about anyway. Everything else I don't care about. I only collect the comics because there's mad money to be invested in it and it's only recently I gave a look at some of Ian's work which I don't think is that bad at all. I still don't care for the comic's continuity however. But yes, so Laser is a SatAM Purist, but if that's the case, then why does he get so mad at the comics on the grounds of what happens to the SatAM related characters? The comics are not, repeat, not SatAM. Yes they use SatAM characters, just like they use SEGA characters, but these characters are not the same characters from their respective continuities. The Sega Sonic is a seperate one to Archie Sonic. The SatAM Sonic is a seperate one to Archie Sonic. SatAM Sally is not the same Sally as the one in Archie. You can claim that the comic is the last piece of Sonic material that's keeping SatAM alive, but is it really? The characters are nothing like they use to be. If anything is keeping SatAM alive it's the actual show's fanbase.

Sure, Archie used characters and elements from SatAM, but Archie is a clusterfuck of all other Sonic universe. It's taken bits and pieces of the Sega games, SatAM, AoStH, even Feleetway and made it's own little universe. A little universe that is seperate from all the others.

Look at it like this, IDW currently own the publishing rights to Transformers comics and they did a mini-series last year called LAST STAND OF THE WRECKERS which ended with one of my personal favourite characters hanging on for dear life. I didn't get super butthurt about it, I didn't rage hard, I didn't cry and throw a tantrum on the internet about it. Why? Because it's just a comic book. I found LSOTW to be a great story which I had fun reading and if it lead to Springer going to the big junkyard in the sky, so be it. There's various other continuities with him and even if the story was awful I wouldn't of cared much, lord knows there's been a lot of crappy Transformers stories, always gonna get those. Why get so worked up about it? I'm 26 years old, I'm not a little kid anymore.

If Laser wants to think I'm making it personal, let him. To me it ani't personal at all, I've just tried to get some valid points across like some others have and he didn't wanna know because he seems to think he knows what Ian is planning. But at the end of it, he's the one getting super pissy at the comic for roboticizing Sally and Eggman taking a blowtorch to her without knowing what's going to happen in the long run about it. And if he wants to let Ian Flynn keep trolling him, then that's his problem.

What I meant was that let Laser criticize Ian until his fingers are broken and his face turn blue. I can understand that because I'm abit annoyed the way he criticize Ian, but that is just me.

[LaserX5]

If I may innocently interject,.....

Mr. Flynn DOES have his good things(Bunnie finally losing her Robian parts) and some bad things(Mecha sally), but one must know that there is worse garbage out there. I've read fanfic after fanfic of torturous garbage, including Mecha Sally X Metal Sonic, the Knux-Mina trilogy, and the Robian Bunnie Adventures… and even a "Ed, Edd and Eddy" spoof, Sonic,Tails N Knux, my god the nightmares. Just think. If Ian was a fan who got picked to write for archie sonic, be VERY grateful it isn't one of these creeps. So, after bashing Ian once, and then reading a few...bad...fanfics, I recall my words. There are WORSE writers than Ian Freakin Flynn.

You do have a point there I'll admit.

I have for one seen worse written material.

Yeeeeeah, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well across the internet, does it?

If you really thought I meant the death threat thing seriously, then for shame.

I can't always tell when someone's being sarcastic when writing.

If that's what you were doing, my bad.

But, there is such a thing called the blue font, you know?

What I meant was that let Laser criticize Ian until his fingers are broken and his face turn blue. I can understand that because I'm abit annoyed the way he criticize Ian, but that is just me.

Wow, that's kind of harsh of you to say...

Although, I guess I have been laying on the criticism a bit thick as of late...

I apologize if I annoyed you.

There are better ways to deal with Ian's writing rather than just ranting about it I suppose...

[Vampfox]

That's because most of the comic's fanbase I believe is SegaSonic.

Wrong there are a lot of Sega Sonic fans who hate the book because of how different it is from the games.