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[PuffinGrandeur]

Who's acting defensive and childish again? Also I can just look up logs to show how everybody here figured she was dead and that things weren't what they seemed.

[bwrosas]

From what we've seen at this forum and other sites, the main deal here is the fact, that fans (whither they like Sally/SonSal or not) are tee'd off at the fact that Ian put us though all this with Genesis and 225 and his false hints of her demise, that now that we see what the result will be, that it's become so dissapointing in the eyes of many, that no one trusts Ian anymore or anything he says.

And I said this before and I'll say it again, Sally's condition won't last but a few issues, perhaps 8-10 issues at the most and that is all. And I still feel, that knowing Ian, that this may be all a nightmarish dream Sonic's having, just like he did in a certain webcomic.

But again, that's just my opinion.

[LaserX5]

Who's acting defensive and childish again? Also I can just look up logs to show how everybody here figured she was dead and that things weren't what they seemed.

We're acting childish?

Weren't you the one laughing at us awhile ago about Sally's confirmed fate?

And yes, at the time, we thought Sally might be dead.

Although, something in the back of my mind kept gnawing at me that it wouldn't happen.

And frankly, 231 was a big of the puzzle that just about confirmed this suspicion.

From what we've seen at this forum and other sites, the main deal here is the fact, that fans (whither they like Sally/SonSal or not) are tee'd off at the fact that Ian put us though all this with Genesis and 225 and his false hints of her demise, that now that we see what the result will be, that it's become so disappointing in the eyes of many, that no one trusts Ian anymore or anything he says.

And I said this before and I'll say it again, Sally's condition won't last but a few issues, perhaps 8-10 issues at the most and that is all. And I still feel, that knowing Ian, that this may be all a nightmarish dream Sonic's having, just like he did in a certain web comic.

But again, that's just my opinion.

I wish it was all just a dream, but what are the odds of that happening?

I mean, Ian I really believe is only getting started in this all out, bizarre war story of his.

What would be the point in backing out of it later by implying it was all a dream?

That actually would considered quite a cheap shot to be perfectly honest.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I'm saying that Ian's being accused of acting defensive and childish over the cover being revealed, but I've literally not seen a single word from him about it.

[LaserX5]

I'm saying that Ian's being accused of acting defensive and childish over the cover being revealed, but I've literally not seen a single word from him about it.

Ok, that's true I'll admit...

Maybe he sees there's no point in it now.

[DCC]

At least Sally is still alive in the comic, which means there is still hope for Sonic and Sally. I am fine with this, for now, as long as it is temporary.

[LaserX5]

At least Sally is still alive in the comic, which means there is still hope for Sonic and Sally. I am fine with this, for now, as long as it is temporary.

I don't know for sure if it is temporary though.

I mean, more than likely it will be, but who can say for sure with Ian behind the wheel of this arc?

[bwrosas]

with Ian, it seems to me that anytime someone criticizes his work, or predicts what will happen in a future storyarc or issue, he gets defensive, to the point that he will/might ban those people from his message forums.

The reason I say that, is because I think, he knows that he can't fool the long-time fans anymore. Not saying he can't do good stories and at times pull some unseen surprises out of his hat, but I think he's starting to run out of story ideas, because with this Sally situation, it's almost a repeat of the Knuckles/Enerjak story in someway or a longer extension of the story from #29, whatever the reason, he's running out of ideas, in my opinion.

You know, if I was in Ian's shoes, Instead of banning folks like you, me and your friends, he should have just put in his rules for his board, that he's trying to attract new readers/fans and if the veteran readers would not spoil the surprises for the new readers by asking certain questions. To me, that would have been simpler, and I'm sure that might have helped.

The only reason for this blow up is because he did something fans old and new don't like or feel is unnecessary, and that's turn Sally into what she will/has become, even if it is for a few issues or so. I really don't think he expected this kind of a response from all sides of the fanbase. I mean, did he actually think everyone would be just ok with it? I wouldn't have. I would have been prepared for the backlash that I knew was/would be coming, if I was Ian that is.

So in closing, again I say this, knowing Ian, this may be all a nightmarish dream Sonic's having, just like he did in a certain webcomic, plus, I also get this feeling, that after it's all said and done, that many fans (here @ the FUS Forums and other Sonic related sites) will probably not even consider this canon, in other words, just act and pretend that it never happen at all, which I feel many will do.

As well as in final closing, I say this and ask this question, What would you have done If you were in Ian's shoes? Plus, here's my advice, if you have the SatAM DVD Box Set, watch that to bide the time while you wait or read the issues up till or before 225 and Genesis to again bide the time till her situation is over and done with. That's just my advice, because that's what I would do to bide the time.

That's all for now. God Bless!

[PuffinGrandeur]

I guess we're just making stuff up now then. Amazingly, I'm pretty sure not a single person has been banned over the spoiled cover either, nor have I seen anyone banned over not liking Genesis.

[LaserX5]

You know, if I was in Ian's shoes, Instead of banning folks like you, me and your friends, he should have just put in his rules for his board, that he's trying to attract new readers/fans and if the veteran readers would not spoil the surprises for the new readers by asking certain questions. To me, that would have been simpler, and I'm sure that might have helped.

That actually does make alot of sense.

I mean, if he's going to ban people for exposing secrets of the comics, at least put it in the rules so people will understand why.

I really don't think he expected this kind of a response from all sides of the fanbase.

He must not have for him to become so unglued at times.

I mean, did he actually think everyone would be just ok with it? I wouldn't have. I would have been prepared for the backlash that I knew was/would be coming, if I was Ian that is.

Exactly.

I would too expect backlash if I was the head writer because that's the result of making a story about a main character's life in peril.

You will have people questioning you, demanding to know why you chose this path, maybe even accusing you of being crazy or evil to do so.

So in closing, again I say this, knowing Ian, this may be all a nightmarish dream Sonic's having, just like he did in a certain webcomic.

I just don't see that happening.

I mean, can you imagine the outrage if Ian actually has an issue that says, "Hey, all this tragedy and war I made was just Sonic's nightmare?"

They would be so ticked off, and rightfully so.

People's emotions are already in a buzz because of 225, and having them get worked up for nothing would be just such a huge slap in the face.

plus, I also get this feeling, that after it's all said and done, that many fans (here @ the FUS Forums and other Sonic related sites) will probably not even consider this canon, in other words, just act and pretend that it never happen at all, which I feel many will do.

You got that right.

Archie Sonic to me should not be considered canon at all of the Sonic series. It's too inconsistent, bizarre, and the staff there just seems to make up stuff at random at times.

You have to have continuity and consistency when publishing a comic.

As well as in final closing, I say this and ask this question, What would you have done If you were in Ian's shoes?

What I would have done is what I've said before.

If I was going to make a story where Sally had to be lost in some serious tragedy, then I do it in a way where Sally's fate is not so severe like maybe permanent roboticization.

Instead, it would be where it "looks like" she's dead, whether by being onboard the Death Egg when it crashes the ground or gets sent flying into the middle of the ocean, but she actually isn't. And, I would leave subtle clues behind that shows she's still out there, but her location and what happened to her is currently unknown.

This is the route I believe Ian really should have taken.

He would still gets his dramatic, "Is Sally really gone?" emotional distress reactions from the fanbase. And Sonic would be affected by this too, as well as the other FF's.

But in the end when Sally does eventually return, her character is restored better than it ever was before.

And lastly of course, have Amy benefit from Sally's absence in the meantime, where she gets more back story and screen time, fighting hard for the city, as well as for Sonic, which would no doubt please Amy and the SonAmy fans alike.

It's basically a win-win situation for the comic.

But this...

I just don't see who wins at all here.

If Sally is permanently a Robian, then that will tick off the Sally fans because she's been scarred physically for life. And since Sega won't allow Ian to have Amy and Sonic becoming anything more than close friends, I don't see how that pleases the SonAmy/SegaSonic fanbase either since they know Amy will never take Sally's place as Sonic's girlfriend.

I guess we're just making stuff up now then. Amazingly, I'm pretty sure not a single person has been banned over the spoiled cover either, nor have I seen anyone banned over not liking Genesis.

Why would he ban users from his forum for the spoiled cover when they had nothing to do with it in the first place?

And secondly, how do you know nobody's been banned since then because of secrets revealed? Are you a regular on there?

[PuffinGrandeur]

What? Yes, of course I'm a regular. And no one's been banned, and Ian's not said a single word about it. The only thing he's defended himself about recently at all is on the matter of shipping, in which he showed how he is neither pro-Sally nor pro-Amy (he is accused of both very regularly.) He hasn't banned people who thought Genesis was too slow, or too fast, or disconnected, or too connected. He hasn't banned anybody over revealing the spoilers, and he hasn't acted childish towards anybody about the roboticization reveal. Heck, DC's still there, and she hates every bit of it.

[LaserX5]

Heck, DC's still there, and she hates every bit of it.

You do realize she and Ian are somewhat friends, right?

I remember him making leeway for her in one of his posts when she really displayed her frustration about Sally's fate.

I don't think Ian would do that for just anyone.

[PuffinGrandeur]

DC is in no way the only one who's given criticism nor the only one who hates it, so apparently he does. Not trying to be contrarian here, but really, you've gotta check to see if something is ACTUALLY HAPPENING before you completely rail against it.

[LaserX5]

DC is in no way the only one who's given criticism nor the only one who hates it, so apparently he does. Not trying to be contrarian here, but really, you've gotta check to see if something is ACTUALLY HAPPENING before you completely rail against it.

If you really think bwrosas made all of this stuff up, then talk to him about it.

He's usually right on the money about Ian in terms of the comic and such.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I am talking to him about it. You're just here too.

[bwrosas]

Heck, DC's still there, and she hates every bit of it.

You do realize she and Ian are somewhat friends, right?

I remember him making leeway for her in one of his posts when she really displayed her frustration about Sally's fate.

I don't think Ian would do that for just anyone.

Well if you want to ask Ian himself, he's now apparently at the Sega Forums.

and what post was that? (Copy/Paste here please)

I think that whatever he has planned, he's hoping will pay off.

Also, I was thinking about what he said, you know about nothing being sacred anymore. Well, I wonder if he meant by saying, that no character is immune to not just death, but also turning evil.

What do you think?

[LaserX5]

I am talking to him about it. You're just here too.

And what is his response?

Just curious.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Looks like he ignored it. You can see it right on the page.

[LaserX5]

Looks like he ignored it. You can see it right on the page.

Really?

Well, hopefully bwrosas will show the list of accounts Ian has banned on his forum recently because I'm curious about this myself.

Anyway, you should know bwrosas isn't the only claiming Ian has become unglued as of late.

Another user on SMS also said the same thing.

[DCC]

I wouldn't say Ian and I are friends. Sometimes, I do wonder why I haven't been banned, like some others that I do know have, because I have been harsh on his message board.