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[LaserX5]

They didn't, and they haven't denied anything: Sega hasn't said anything, because they do not care in the slightest. Ian's said multiple times (not JUST now) that they give him no direction with the Archie cast and that he could kill them all if he wanted. Just because he has one bad thing happen to a character does not mean that he hates the character when he's been building them up for FIVE YEARS (his entire career!)

If you want to believe that, that's your right.

But I for one can feel something is going behind the scenes.

This whole 225/Sally's fate thing is just way too coincidental to be just another wild story idea by Ian.

There's a good chance he was ordered to make something drastic happen to Sally to boost sales.

Where's any real evidence that either of these are slightly possible?

I cannot prove Sega's involvement since they wouldn't tell their business to the public. Not to mention the backlash they'd get if everyone knew what they were up to.

But as for Ian. If he really liked Sally, he would not even attempt this, or at the very least be against it.

You think Ben Hurst would have done something this off the wall if he was the writer?

No way.

I know he cared about Sally and was a fan of SonSal. He proved it with his writing. Ian on the other hand, has not.

In fact, I'm starting to believe the exact opposite.

Also, Queen Aleena in Sonic Underground was a terrible plot point depending on a stupid prophecy that only made things worse. Good god we DEFINITELY do not need to go back to the era of stupidly important people and events being kept secret even though they'd fix the entire series just so they can be revealed with more DRAMA.

Oh yes, more drama.

In other words, let Eggman's turret shoot up Sally full of holes and have the Freedom Fighters mourn her death and forced to carry on without her.

Yea, drama like no other.

Seriously, Puffin, I get the fact you do not like Sally. But honestly, quit being so brash about her fate. It's like you want her to be killed off.

What is so bad about having at least some kind of faint hope she's still out there?

I wouldn't want it to be it obvious of course, but let those who still care about the character see some subtle clues that Sally is still alive, just out of of the picture for the moment.

Plus, when I really think about it, her having a role similar to Aleena actually wouldn't be so bad.

I mean, if Eggman thought she was dead, he might let his guard down and think he's dropped a nuke on the Freedom Fighter's morale.

But with Sally having a plan behind the scenes, it actually could make a really cool story.

Now, whether Ian does this or not, is still up in the air.

I for one don't think he will.

But maybe he'll have something similar in mind.

I don't know for sure.

[PuffinGrandeur]

This whole 225/Sally's fate thing is just way too coincidental to be just another wild story idea by Ian.

It's not. Big things happen in the 25s. That's not really a conspiracy. That's also why the Death Egg appeared and Eggman returned (well Eggman returning probably was mandate, but other than that.) We actually do know of things Sega did have Archie do (Genesis is in part because Archie was asked to do a story that would celebrate the anniversary, there's a Generations tie-in later) but there's absolutely nothing suggesting they had anything to do with Sally's current fate. There's no special timing or real problem that wasn't present before. They're not making a huge push with Amy right now, they're not forcing all of SataM out of the book. There's just the same paranoia that runs rampant throughout the entire fandom because it loves to hate and it loves to blame.

As for Ian and Sally, well, I guess Penders hated Knuckles, seeing as he had the guy ripped apart down to his atoms. One bad thing happening DOES NOT INVALIDATE A TON OF GOOD. And I think I've stated before, I really wouldn't mind her dying (although it doesn't look like it's that simple) as long as we got some nice storytelling from it (cue "as if that were possible from Archie.")

Oh, and there is a difference between drama and melodrama. One is Antoine's father or Julayla dying. The other is Queen Alicia being secretly hidden on the Floating Island in a giant coma stasis tube that can only be cured by Dr. Eggman with Sally's never-before-ever-heard-of brother being found and becoming the new heir to the throne.

[LaserX5]

It's not. Big things happen in the 25s. That's not really a conspiracy. That's also why the Death Egg appeared and Eggman returned (well Eggman returning probably was mandate, but other than that.) We actually do know of things Sega did have Archie do (Genesis is in part because Archie was asked to do a story that would celebrate the anniversary, there's a Generations tie-in later) but there's absolutely nothing suggesting they had anything to do with Sally's current fate. There's no special timing or real problem that wasn't present before. They're not making a huge push with Amy right now, they're not forcing all of SataM out of the book. There's just the same paranoia that runs rampant throughout the entire fandom because it loves to hate and it loves to blame.

As I said, you can believe all of this all you want to think it's just business as well.

I for one do not.

As for Ian and Sally, well, I guess Penders hated Knuckles, seeing as he had the guy ripped apart down to his atoms. One bad thing happening DOES NOT INVALIDATE A TON OF GOOD. And I think I've stated before, I really wouldn't mind her dying (although it doesn't look like it's that simple) as long as we got some nice storytelling from it (cue "as if that were possible from Archie.")

Honestly, I thought the whole Knuckles dying and bringing back to life was one the stupidest ideas ever.

I'm actually surprised Sega even allowed it.

Oh, and there is a difference between drama and melodrama. One is Antoine's father or Julayla dying. The other is Queen Alicia being secretly hidden on the Floating Island in a giant coma stasis tube that can only be cured by Dr. Eggman with Sally's never-before-ever-heard-of brother being found and becoming the new heir to the throne.

Where in the world did you think that was the idea I had in mind?

I never implied I wanted Sally to be like Aleena.

I just thought it would be an interesting story if Sally took advantage of Eggman thinking she was dead.

I mean, if written correctly, which I'm sure it will not if this is the plan, would actually be a very dynamic plot.

Seriously, you need to stop taking everything I say out of context.

[PuffinGrandeur]

You're missing the point with Knuckles, and having Eggman not know Sally was alive wouldn't really accomplish all that much. It'd also be incredibly convoluted considering he just watched her 'die' and he was the one that did it to her.

[LaserX5]

You're missing the point with Knuckles, and having Eggman not know Sally was alive wouldn't really accomplish all that much. It'd also be incredibly convoluted considering he just watched her 'die' and he was the one that did it to her.

No I'm not missing the point.

I hated that story arc too.

It was completely unnecessary.

Maybe Ken really didn't like Knuckles if he had him killed.

As for Sally, it may not be the best of ideas, but it would be better than Ian deciding to play God with her just for the entertainment of shock value and increasing sales of the book.


My point is this. You can tell who a writer likes by the way they protray certain characters.

And as of late, I'm starting to be convinced Ian does not like Sally much anymore, if he ever did at all.

Two controversial stories involving her within the last 25 issues is not just a coincidence.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Maybe Ken really didn't like Knuckles

Yeah I think we're pretty much done here.

[LaserX5]

Yeah I think we're pretty much done here.

Fine by me.

Your sharp comments have tried my patience long enough.

You seriously need to learn something about using tact and diplomacy when discussing different viewpoints, Puffin.

You don't get anywhere with people acting like you're superior to them.

Sonic The Hedgehog # 231 = Robo Sally?

Robo Sally = poor writing by Ian.

That move would be one of the dumbest ever.

The only character that would make some sense if this happened would be Bunnie, since she's already half metal.

Plus, I have a feeling he would make it so she ends up like Jules if this is where Ian is going with the story.

Think about it. Both of them ended up shot. Why wouldn't that happen if this where this story is going?

And that move would desecrate Sally even more than she's already been.

[TheDemon]

Yeah I think we're pretty much done here.

Fine by me.

Your sharp comments have tried my patience long enough.

You seriously need to learn something about using tact and diplomacy when discussing different viewpoints, Puffin.

You don't get anywhere with people acting like you're superior to them.

Sonic The Hedgehog # 231 = Robo Sally?

Robo Sally = poor writing by Ian.

That move would be one of the dumbest ever.

The only character that would make some sense if this happened would be Bunnie, since she's already half metal.

Plus, I have a feeling he would make it so she ends up like Jules if this is where Ian is going with the story.

Think about it. Both of them ended up shot. Why wouldn't that happen if this where this story is going?

And that move would desecrate Sally even more than she's already been.

It would completly ruin her charecter for new and old fans. I think it would have been a decent story if something like that happened to antione. It would make him and bunnie a better match

[LaserX5]

It would completly ruin her charecter for new and old fans. I think it would have been a decent story if something like that happened to antione. It would make him and bunnie a better match

Hmmm...

Antoine becoming roboticized....

Interesting idea you have here.

[bwrosas]

While reading these various posts, it came to my mind that should Ian do what many fear he may do, it would not only shake up the comic, but the fanbase in general.

Now this how I see it happening, should he do what many fear he will.

1. Truth be told, the comic will indeed lose many and I mean MANY long time readers and subscribers to the book, but in turn it may gain some new ones as well.

2. Sales and profits will be up and down for a while, with the ending result determining Ian's future on the book.

3. Many long time fans that look to the book as the last ongoing All-New Media of SatAM will start to focus more on the DVD Boxset and possible start doing webcomics in the way that they felt the comic should have gone after 225, maybe even after 222.

4. 75% of the fanbase will probably petition for Ian's firing and as well as petition for a NEW head writer that understands who the characters are and the world they live in.

5. Everything, from certain events and storyarcs and even possible future's that Ian's ignored will probably be acknowledged again, should a NEW head writer be hired on.

But that all hinges on the fact of Ian doing what many fear he will.

Do you all not agree?

[LaserX5]

While reading these various posts, it came to my mind that should Ian do what many fear he may do, it would not only shake up the comic, but the fanbase in general.

Now this how I see it happening, should he do what many fear he will.

1. Truth be told, the comic will indeed lose many and I mean MANY long time readers and subscribers to the book, but in turn it may gain some new ones as well.

2. Sales and profits will be up and down for a while, with the ending result determining Ian's future on the book.

3. Many long time fans that look to the book as the last ongoing All-New Media of SatAM will start to focus more on the DVD Boxset and possible start doing webcomics in the way that they felt the comic should have gone after 225, maybe even after 222.

4. 75% of the fanbase will probably petition for Ian's firing and as well as petition for a NEW head writer that understands who the characters are and the world they live in.

5. Everything, from certain events and storyarcs and even possible future's that Ian's ignored will probably be acknowledged again, should a NEW head writer be hired on.

But that all hinges on the fact of Ian doing what many fear he will.

Do you all not agree?

Honestly, I do agree with most of this.

I don't know about 75% petitioning Ian to be fired if he goes through with it, but it will be at least 25-40%.

Anyway, whatever happens, my interest in the comic will be next to zero.

This little stunt Ian has pulled has really rubbed me the wrong way. Let's just say, hypothetically, Ian doesn't kill her or even roboticizes her, but Sally just ends up seriously injured instead and out of the picture for awhile.

Even then, I wouldn't want to read much of the comic anymore.

I mean, this is so obviously an attempt to stir up the fanbase and have them react to it, whether it be positively(Sonamy/Amy/SEGASONIC fans) or negatively(SonSal/Sally/Satam fans)

I've heard people say the comic has gotten stale and needs something dramatic to happen to give it a jolt.

Ok, I can buy that I guess. But did it have to be such a publicity stunt, with an annoying tease added to it?

I mean, why not just tell an interesting story that will grab the reader's attention without all the drama?

Is that even possible for Ian and the Archie staff to do?

[PuffinGrandeur]

Seventy five percent where the hell did that come from
How many things would really be picked up on that have been totally ignored anyway? Do we really need Ivan Robotnik back to save this series?
I do love that there's just an automatic assumption that Archie will hire some physical manifestation of SataM who will obviously remember everything that everyone (with good SataM taste of course) and will put it right back in the book totally perfectly. Because we NEED Ivan Robotnik back.

Actually, it's funny, a bunch of people are pissed that roboticization might be coming back. They sort of have the right to be, Dark Egg Legionnaires are way better than any Roboticized Mobian other than Chuck or Jules ever were anyway. And they were only interesting when they were good guys! There are assurances that DEL isn't going anywhere though. May be able to accept some combination of the two, but really, if we had to keep one? Legionization first.

[blue]

My thoughts on this topic, we honestly don't what's going to happen on issue 231. I'm not saying that you shouldn't come up with conspiracy theories about issue 231 because Sega was directly intervene in the past. We'll just have wait and see.
My thoughts if Sally's death were true, might aswell add another for women in the refrigerator like Hershey(Just saying if it's true).

[LaserX5]

My thoughts on this topic, we honestly don't what's going to happen on issue 231. I'm not saying that you shouldn't come up with conspiracy theories about issue 231 because Sega was directly intervene in the past. We'll just have wait and see.
My thoughts if Sally's death were true, might aswell add another for women in the refrigerator like Hershey(Just saying if it's true).

You do have a point I'll admit.

While I do not like the current progress of the puzzle pieces being put together, I'll wait until it's completed before giving my final analysis.

Of course, I don't believe for a minute I won't be at the very least disappointed when it's all said and done.

[bwrosas]

I figured with 231 already out subscription wise, that I would offer my opinions on what's going on.

Now staying true to my word I have not yet opened 231 or 230, for you see I like some others are in the middle of this whole situation. We want to see how it plays out, now not to say that there isn't anyone out there that likes what's happening in the comic book right now because there is many that don't like what's happening and on the other side there are those that do.

From the summary that I read courtesy of another member of the Sonic Stadium message board I've pretty much in my opinion figured out what could be happening. For you see what is happening from what I can tell by reading this summary is the direction of the story right now is going in a direction that will put more focus on the game characters themselves. Now upon reading that some will like hearing what they have heard and read while others will not, but you see I look at it this way in the head writer's mind he probably figured that the only way he could get away with the story that he did recently with 225, Genesis, and now 230 and 231 is if leading into the 250th anniversary issue that he put more of the spotlight on an equal basis on the game characters.

Now by saying that some of you that are fans of the games will probably be rejoicing while others will probably be pissed off and either way you look at it I guess as Paul K mentioned in an interview recently, he said both sides would be satisfied. If I was Paul I wonder If I would have gone that far to say that as we see many that will be happy and many that won't be, but when you look back at other anniversary issues you may see why.

What I'm saying in my humble opinion is the 75th issue was freedom fighters only, the 100th issue was a sidetrack, the 125th issue was freedom fighters and everyone else fighting to save the planet with Sonic sacrificing himself in the eyes of the other characters to save the planet, then we have 150 which was another sidetrack, but then we get to the 175th issue and at the end of it who is standing in the wreckage that was Knothole, well none other than the game characters exception being Nicole and who saved everyone in the following issue with the exception of Nicole the game characters of course, but then we get to the 200th anniversary issue as the freedom fighters and company defeating Eggman and driving him into insanity, and then recently we get the 225th issue and it focuses on the freedom fighters and company trying to defeat the Death Egg Mark 2, so it only makes sense that leading into the 250th anniversary issue that the focus and spotlight in the eyes of the head writer fall onto the game characters, if you don't believe me read or ask Chaoscontrol14 for a summary/review of 231 and you'll see what I mean.

I know many won't like hearing this or reading it but that's the way I see it. Now the question is will it be a success or will it be a failure? One never knows and this is why fans like me who are in the middle are just go to sit back and let it play out and for myself not open any issues till the time comes where everything will be settled and made satisfactory in the eyes of all the fans as the editor in chief Paul K said in his interview earlier this year.

For those that believe that this story arc will not last another 8 to 9 issues you have to admit that may be true and it may not be true. For you see Fans thought the same for the ID Story Arc, and that lasted a year and 1 month. Plus the only way that this current story arc in the continuity of the comic could come to an end is three ways : 1. If fans overwhelmingly tell Sega the Corporation overall not Japan or America but the overall Corporation as a whole that they are dissatisfied with the current direction of the comic then that may be one way it comes to an end. 2. Another way is called sales and profits, seeing how many have stated that the Sonic comic book is Archie's bestseller , that there is no way this story arc will end or their head writer will be let go. However if profits drop and seeing how Sega and Archie both get a piece of the pie and they don't get the pieces they expect especially Sega then that may be another way the head writer and the story arc come to an end. 3. And last but not least the only other way this could all end is if not the story arc but if the head writer is let go or asked to move on to another comic book and never write for the Sonic comic book again due to the dissatisfaction of the fans. And that in those three ways, are the only ways things could change, story arcs could end and head writer's could be removed. Those would be the only ways.

Thank you for reading and have a good Monday.

[Shadow]