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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#41 PuffinGrandeur

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 06:26 AM

I believe Sally being called a spotlight hog is a serious misconception. Yea, she's there alot, but it's not like she's there, kicking butt like Sonic and Amy do at times.

Plus, why is it Sally always gets the blame for the others not getting more time when it's the writer who's giving it to her in the first place?


Having counted only the last two years (not the past with the Source of All plot, the love triangle plots and such) she's in twice as many stories as any other character. Bunnie and Amy COMBINED don't have as many notable appearances, and that's with the latter getting a boost over the past half decade. And while some of it is the authors, a lot of it is the history and setup. Sally's entire history pits her as the main female lead, with the comic following her life and loss and stories even when they don't involve Sonic at all. But she's also leading the Freedom Fighters, she's also the ambassador for the Acorn Kingdom, she's also Sonic's girlfriend and confidante. She fulfills pretty much every story role possible, and as such if she's even AROUND the other characters are forced to sit back a bit while she takes care of things. In that sense, she's too much of a safety net, a character to fall back on for pretty much any purpose.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 12:31 PM

At some point in the future (when we all moved on to better things in life) we'll look back at this issue and say to ourselves "What the **** was I so upset about?" So what if she's dead or not, Sally's legacy will still be remembered as long as the fanbase lives. Sonic and the gang have been through rough times, but they've always managed to pull through and they'll continue to venture onwards to new territory and adventures, despite their losses. Unfortunately, most of their fans prefer stay behind.


While I get what you're trying to say, if the fans prefer to stay behind than move on, then perhaps they are saying, "We don't like this new change. It isn't any good and is a slap in the face."

Change isn't always for the better.

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I can understand that people love fictional characters (who doesn't?), but when people start arguing obsessively over fictional characters like they're physical beings... yeah. Creepy subject.


Excellent point you make here I hate to say.

Yea, they're just fictional characters, no doubt about that. And yes, they're not worth having forum wars over.

Although, fictional or not, some of the characters are the reason we are fans of a fictional series to begin with.

Without them, why even be fans of it at all?

You think there'd be Mario fans if he wasn't part of his games any longer?

How bout Link, or even Starfox?

My point is, we became fans of certain genres because of the characters it had. Sure, plot and storyline are big factors as well, but the biggest driving force behind any fanbase is its cast of characters.

So when some arrogant buffoons start messing around with it, it's no wonder some of the loyal fanbase lashes out, perhaps even a bit too much I'll admit.

Having counted only the last two years (not the past with the Source of All plot, the love triangle plots and such) she's in twice as many stories as any other character. Bunnie and Amy COMBINED don't have as many notable appearances, and that's with the latter getting a boost over the past half decade. And while some of it is the authors, a lot of it is the history and setup. Sally's entire history pits her as the main female lead, with the comic following her life and loss and stories even when they don't involve Sonic at all. But she's also leading the Freedom Fighters, she's also the ambassador for the Acorn Kingdom, she's also Sonic's girlfriend and confidante. She fulfills pretty much every story role possible, and as such if she's even AROUND the other characters are forced to sit back a bit while she takes care of things. In that sense, she's too much of a safety net, a character to fall back on for pretty much any purpose.


Ok, I get the point you're trying to make here.

But again, if the writer puts her ahead of the others, it's the writer's fault, not hers.

While it is true Sally does fulfil alot of roles, the others can have their share as well, providing of course the writer is willing to balance out the cast.

But no, I think he likes Sally this way so the fanbase will seriously hate her. That way, Ian can justify his decision to go through with this absurd decision of his to kill her off if he so chooses. :thumbsdown:
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 02:03 PM

Ian is not the only one to give Sally all those roles. She already had them (even Sonic's girlfriend role after the breakup considering they KEPT GOING ON ABOUT IT.) My point is it's not just the writers: Sally fulfills so many roles and is set up to do so many things (even in the show) that it's practically impossible for her NOT to overwhelm the cast and push them to the side. She's the princess girlfriend boss ambassador best friend of nearly everyone and it's been that way since the beginning. Heck, it was actually WORSE before Ian because the writers would follow Sally even when it had NO RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 02:47 PM

Ian is not the only one to give Sally all those roles. She already had them (even Sonic's girlfriend role after the breakup considering they KEPT GOING ON ABOUT IT.) My point is it's not just the writers: Sally fulfills so many roles and is set up to do so many things (even in the show) that it's practically impossible for her NOT to overwhelm the cast and push them to the side. She's the princess girlfriend boss ambassador best friend of nearly everyone and it's been that way since the beginning. Heck, it was actually WORSE before Ian because the writers would follow Sally even when it had NO RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING.


How was it worse than Ian?

Karl and Ken to their credit at least just made Sally unlikable from 134-159, thus reducing her screentime due to being too abrupt and brash.

Ian on other hand tried to bring that likability back.

And that wouldn't have been a bad thing, had it not been for the fact he was just toying with those who love this character and her relationship with Sonic.

Not even 3 issues after they start dating, he puts out this, "Ooh, is Sally dead now? Stay tuned." tease.

That was pretty sick on his part.

Ian must have been planning this for years. He slowly, but surely brings Sally back to where she should be, and then BAM! Delivers a big blow, just to get a big reaction out of the fanbase.

Sick, twisted and deliberate.

That's why I blame him more than the other writers. He wanted to make her the focal point again just so the fans would get sick of her so he could try to kill her off.

And if the complaint is that Sally fulfills too many roles, then for crying out loud, reduce them! Don't kill her off. That's just cheap and cowardly.
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 03:51 PM

Sally was always the focal point is the problem, even when she was unlikable and irrelevant. The things she's been established as have been so for so long, so strong, that they can't just be easily removed and cut out without practically ruining her. This whole thing being a diabolical plot over the span of six years is just ridiculous, especially since the "spring cleaning" span of Ian's run ended hat, three years ago? That'd be the most elaborate, thorough plan seen in the entire history of the franchise. If he wanted to take her out, he had plenty of opportunities. PLENTY.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 04:01 PM

Sally was always the focal point is the problem, even when she was unlikable and irrelevant. The things she's been established as have been so for so long, so strong, that they can't just be easily removed and cut out without practically ruining her. This whole thing being a diabolical plot over the span of six years is just ridiculous, especially since the "spring cleaning" span of Ian's run ended hat, three years ago? That'd be the most elaborate, thorough plan seen in the entire history of the franchise. If he wanted to take her out, he had plenty of opportunities. PLENTY.


But that's just it. He didn't make his move until Sally was back to where she was before Ken and Karl screwed her.

That cannot be just a coincidence.

I mean, like you said, he had plenty of opportunity.

But what he needed also was to wait until everyone was in a lull.

If he had pulled this off between 160-180, it wouldn't have mattered as much since Sally at that point was pretty unlikable as a character.

Thus, no big deal if she was gone.

Let's not forget, Ian lives for the big shock as a writer.

And what better way to have that big shock of his, than have someone at the top of their status, like Sally, and then drop em to the bottom in an abrupt heap.

You can call this theory crazy and ridiculous all you want. All I know is, something is going on behind the scenes at Archie and Sega, and it's not looking pretty at the moment.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:58 AM

Killing Sally may have been a bad choice (story-wise), but what if it was Sonic who was supposedly "killed" during the battle instead of Sally? The reaction probably would've been catastrophically suicidal.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 12:36 PM

Killing Sally may have been a bad choice (story-wise), but what if it was Sonic who was supposedly "killed" during the battle instead of Sally? The reaction probably would've been catastrophically suicidal.


Or worse, imagine if it was Amy Rose.

Good grief, her rabid fans would riot.

Still, I think Amy should be fair game like Sally since Ian did say "Nothing is sacred."

Or did he mean, "nothing about Satam is sacred." since he knows Sega will kill the comic if something bad would ever happen to their lackluster cast. :stirthepot:
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:52 PM

Good thing nothing will happen to the SatAM cast, considering that SatAM and Archie are two different continuities.

Archie Sally is not the same as SatAM Sally.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:04 PM

Good thing nothing will happen to the SatAM cast, considering that SatAM and Archie are two different continuities.


Yea, you do have a point there.

Even though Satam and Archie and two different continuities of that Sonic storyline, people consider characters like Sally, Bunnie, Rotor, Antoine as part of Satam.


Archie Sally is not the same as SatAM Sally.


That is true. And frankly, Archie Sally has been so polluted by incompetent writers, I almost wonder what's the point of fighting for her rights to stay in the comic when it's so SOJ centered now anyway.

A character of her stature doesn't deserve this garbage at all.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 09:38 AM

Well appeartally, someone on Youtube got 228 today and it seem Eggman's goal is to robotize the whole planet in one shot. Take that as you will.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 11:55 AM

Well appeartally, someone on Youtube got 228 today and it seem Eggman's goal is to robotize the whole planet in one shot. Take that as you will.


That I can actually believe. It probably saves Sally's live from being shot. But I think Ian will make Sally unable to turn back into a full mobian just like Sonic's dad. That would ruin her charecter more than her death.

@LaserX5:
I actually like your idea of Sally going MIA for a while. It would give Sally more dignity than just killing her off by a random machine gun or turning her evil.

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Dude you seem like you hate Sally to the extreme. You and some other fans like you seem to get this idea in your head that Sally is such a corupted charecter that she should be just annilated the most demeaning way possible. If you think about it Laser's idea of giving Sally amnesia would be a perfect oppertunity to fix those so called flaws of hers. You also said that making Sally disappear for a while is an awful idea. If I remember right in Sonic however many years later arc Sonic disappeared for a couple years. Yet many fans loved that arc.

Many people blame Sally for what is wrong with the comic and others blame the writers. I'm going to take a step out of the box here and blame SEGA's iron grip on their Sonic charecter as the problem. I'm going to compare this comic with one of my favorite TV show (second to SatAm) Scooby Do. If you asked any Sonic fans about the game or the Archie comics and asked "What is that about?" You would get answers like "They are about Sonic". If you asked Scooby Do fans about what Scooby Do is about you'd get "It's about a bunch of kids and their beloved dog solving mysteries." If you asked most fans about the SatAm show my answer wouldn't be individual based like my first example it would be "It's about the freedom fighters fighting for freedom." I get the feeling a lot of the time that SEGA wants Sonic to be the main topic of every comic leaving no room to venture outside of Sonic's little storyline except for Sonic Universe. (Which I loved that Archie made it less Sonic based) The Archie comics to me seem like watching Scooby Do but cutting out all the parts that Scooby isn't in. And since Shaggey is the closest person to Scooby people would start hating on him for being a so called "spotlight hog". Just like Sally. I think that to fix all these problems Sonic should get less "spotlight". Which we all know that SEGA would never let happen. Also if you think of it like you would reality wise Sally getting more spotlight makes a lot of sense. And since the comic is all just based off of Sonic he really isn't that close to any of the other charecters as he used to be. Antione and Bunnie are married and in real life when you get married you have less time to spend with friends especially bachelor friends. Rotor somehow became very old (I thought he was close in age to Sonic) and is spending all his time in politics. Amy in Sonic's opinion is probably just an annoying fan girl. Tails...... I can't think of any reason why he doesn't get any more stage time. And also when you have a girlfriend they take up a lot of your time that you usually have for friends. I'm not going to judge any of the Sally haters but sometimes I wonder... So it makes sense why Sally has more spotlight all except for Tails that is. Like Laser said that is just bad writing, and also my point that the comic is mainly based off of ONLY Sonic. In my opinion Sonic should be just a lovable mascot like Scooby Do who doesn't take the radically MAIN role. That's why I loved SatAm and hated SonicX. In SatAm the individual (Sonic) wasn't the main point of the story it was the goal that a group including an individual came to achieve. Archie is not that way which is probably why most old school fans hate it so. I'm going to finish my little rant here because I've talked way too long, but I will say that there is always a better solution than just killing off the charecter that is closest to the main charecter.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:34 PM

Well appeartally, someone on Youtube got 228 today and it seem Eggman's goal is to robotize the whole planet in one shot. Take that as you will.


Uh huh.

So Ian is considering going the Jules route with her now?

:thumbsdown: That would be one of the stupidest moves ever if he did.

Seriously, why didn't Ian just flatout say he hates Sally instead of this hypocritical, "I'm a SonSal fan." nonsense?

His credibility would have been alot higher.


That I can actually believe. It probably saves Sally's live from being shot. But I think Ian will make Sally unable to turn back into a full mobian just like Sonic's dad. That would ruin her charecter more than her death.


You got that right.

And if that is where Ian is going with this, what little respect I had for him will be gone.

Although, his "lost in the moment." title makes me wonder if this will be reversed.

I seriously doubt it though.



I actually like your idea of Sally going MIA for a while. It would give Sally more dignity than just killing her off by a random machine gun or turning her evil.


Exactly.

This way, Sally would just be missing, not offically gone.

And hopefully there would be an arc of her being found. Plus, having amnesia would explain why she didn't come back sooner.

Of course, I don't expect Ian to go this dignified route.

I believe he gets a kick out of tainting characters within the series.

Many people blame Sally for what is wrong with the comic and others blame the writers. I'm going to take a step out of the box here and blame SEGA's iron grip on their Sonic charecter as the problem.


You hit the nail on the head regarding this.

The only party I blame more than Ian for this madness within the Sonic comic is Sega.

They can deny it all they want, but I'm willing to bet almost anything they ordered Ian to do something drastic to Sally.
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:51 PM

@LaserX5:
I actually like your idea of Sally going MIA for a while. It would give Sally more dignity than just killing her off by a random machine gun or turning her evil.


This is true. In fact, I did a video this morning, where I talked about a new theory in this, and that is if Ian went the "Queen Aleena" Route From Sonic Underground. I mean think of it of this way, yes she would be sort of MIA, but just to Eggman, while the Freedom Fighters are the only one's that know she's still alive, and remember she has a warp ring (I think), so she can jump around and gather information without Eggman knowning about it.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

The only party I blame more than Ian for this madness within the Sonic comic is Sega. They can deny it all they want, but I'm willing to bet almost anything they ordered Ian to do something drastic to Sally.


They didn't, and they haven't denied anything: Sega hasn't said anything, because they do not care in the slightest. Ian's said multiple times (not JUST now) that they give him no direction with the Archie cast and that he could kill them all if he wanted. Just because he has one bad thing happen to a character does not mean that he hates the character when he's been building them up for FIVE YEARS (his entire career!)

Where's any real evidence that either of these are slightly possible?

Also, Queen Aleena in Sonic Underground was a terrible plot point depending on a stupid prophecy that only made things worse. Good god we DEFINITELY do not need to go back to the era of stupidly important people and events being kept secret even though they'd fix the entire series just so they can be revealed with more DRAMA.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 04:10 PM

It's not that SEGA tells him what he needs to do I think it's more of telling him what he can't do. That entire mandate of Sonic always being a bachelor sort of set Sally up for a fall. SEGA never said to kill Sally they said to keep Sonic a bachelor. To fulfill SEGA's mandate Sonic and Sally have to not stay together in the long run. Since Ian is a SonSal fan, and I do believe he is, he put them back together in a way that to keep SEGA's mandate he can't pull a Penders and say "*Slap!* Your Selfish! *exit sally*" To keep the mandate and go with the story that he's been doing he has to either kill her or turn her against Sonic. I believe that Ian wanted them to be together and he set them up to be together but in doing that he sealed Sally's fate as the only realistic way of keeping Sonic single. As much as it hurts me to say it since I'm a SonSal fan myself Ian should never have put them back together. So no. SEGA never told Ian to kill her off, but they are indirectly responsible for her death/legionization because of their mandate. Ian is most at fault for getting them as close as he did. Which still goes with what I said before about SEGA's iron grip.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 04:15 PM

Also, Queen Aleena in Sonic Underground was a terrible plot point depending on a stupid prophecy that only made things worse. Good god we DEFINITELY do not need to go back to the era of stupidly important people and events being kept secret even though they'd fix the entire series just so they can be revealed with more DRAMA.

I do believe that that would be not that great of an idea seeing that I would want Sally more involved.... but dude lighten up. I haven't seen you once post some thoughtful idea, you just trash other peoples ideas. And that's not cool.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 04:25 PM

To keep the mandate and go with the story that he's been doing he has to either kill her or turn her against Sonic.


Or have them not get together. Not like that mandate's entirely new, and the relationship didn't exactly go "full throttle" until 222 at which point the Return of the Death Egg and all of this was already in the works. It's not like their whole "will they or won't they" had to be resolved, they played around with that concept all the time.

I don't bring up plots that would totally save and fix the book because I don't think it needs saving and fixing. I like the book. But don't worry about any lightening, I am not calling anyone a terrible person simply because they have bad ideas that have been used in the series and made it worse. Anyone can do that, especially in this divided franchise.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 05:04 PM

Good thing nothing will happen to the SatAM cast, considering that SatAM and Archie are two different continuities.

Archie Sally is not the same as SatAM Sally.


Yeah, this should give me plenty of reassurance, and I mean that sincerely.

Besides, I stopped collecting the comics LONG ago.

Also, I should not be surprised stuff like this is happening--Marvel Comics eff'ed up Spider Man by killing off Peter Parker.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 05:11 PM

Peter Parker was only killed off in Ultimate, which is being written by the same person who started the series and has had a singular version for the book the entire time. He's still alive in 616, which is the Spider-Man everyone knows and loves in the first place.

Also it's been implied that Peter Parker may still be alive anyway.




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