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[John Roberts]

I find it incredible that such persons do all that shit JUST to kill off a character. It's worse when the character itself is iconic of the comic.

Iconic characters, or characters that matter, are the best ones TO kill off. Otherwise what's the point? No one is going to give a shit, and if no one is going to give a shit then you are wasting your time and not doing your job as a storyteller (and if you only give fans what they want - as opposed to fuelling the story in the best way you know how - then you are also not doing your job and wasting your time).

[Morgan]

I haven't honestly bought any of the comics since #184 and haven't truthfully read them thoroughly since right around #100, so I have no idea what all has gone on in the comic or what Ian's done with it. However, on the matter of good writing, I'd have to agree that a character's death has the most impact when it's a character of importance and a lot of people love. I myself was also affected by EndGame and remember the bit of a ride it put me through when reading it from start to finish. It's one of my favorite part of the series, in fact, for the emotions it makes you feel about characters you care about.

Sally's death would only bother me if it was poorly written. If it has no meaning, it has no point.

[Metallou]

Good point here, John

[Prime]

I'm just gonna say it right now...

I love the fact that people are freaking out about it, saying "it's offical, Sally is dead!" because she's not on the cover! *Le Gasp!*

I'm sorry, but isn't this Sonic's comic, not Sally's comic? Just because she's not on the cover doesn't mean she's dead. Yes, the text says "The world is safe - but at a terrible cost" but that doesn't mean Ian's killed her off at all. Could be something else that has happened. Maybe someone else sacrifices themselves to save her? We don't know, but bitching about it ani't gonna help.

I don't think Ian will kill Sally off, there's too much of a fanbase for her character to effectively kill her off for good. If he does that, he runs the risk of alienating a lot of the fans who could stop buying the comic altogether. If he does so however, then he does it.

But hey! It's a comic book! And how many times have I read a comic where a beloved character dies? Shit, I can't remember how many times! But you know what happens? A lot of the time that character is brought back to life. Oh the magic of comics! So if Ian does kill her off, he can always use the super duper magic of comic writing to bring her back.

I don't read the comic, or at least anything Ian has written, so I can't comment on how bad OR how good Ian's writing is, I've heard you guys bitch about him, but I've heard good things about him from other people.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Actually he's got a pretty strong "dead=dead" mandate, so if she really is killed off, she's killed off for the rest of the modern run. That said, the solicits are being a bit too vague for her to just be dead (also a bit of kudos for not just outright showing what's happened.) We know something bad happened, and whatever happened, it stuck. But was she gunned down? Who's the mystery on the cover supposed to be? Why would she still be alive in 230 only to be gunned down again? Where's NICOLE? There's dozens of questions to ask that could change the situation entirely.

We know something bad has happened, but we knew that since BLAM BLAM BLAM began. This? This only opens up new possibilities for what that was.

[LaserX5]

I like to think Ian has shown some balls in what he is attempting to do, but without knowing what kind of writer he is I can hardly know for sure if it is indeed story telling balls he possesses or he's just a seat-of-his-pants hack.

Ian is taking a huge risk in writing this story, no doubt about it.

He fails to pulls this off, it will more than likely bury him.

But hey! It's a comic book! And how many times have I read a comic where a beloved character dies? Shit, I can't remember how many times! But you know what happens? A lot of the time that character is brought back to life. Oh the magic of comics! So if Ian does kill her off, he can always use the super duper magic of comic writing to bring her back.

Doing that though would cheapen any impact this so called death, or legionization would have.

I don't read the comic, or at least anything Ian has written, so I can't comment on how bad OR how good Ian's writing is, I've heard you guys bitch about him, but I've heard good things about him from other people.

Ian to his credit, I'll admit, has a way of keeping your interest. But at the same time, he is the most controversial writer ever.

Not to mention alot of his writing is just very poor. It's like he doesn't even think things through when making dramatic moments.

Then again, I really shouldn't be surprised. This is Archie we're talking about.

[bwrosas]

[LaserX5]

Interesting commentary you have here, bwrosas.

You do have a point saying we don't know for sure.

But you do have to admit, the pieces are starting to fit together, and it looks it's fitting a certain shape none of us Satam purists want to see.

[bwrosas]

[DCC]

Based on what little evidence there is, I am starting believe the Sally being legionized/robotized or whatever.

I understand what John is saying, but still it bothers me when people seemingly try to justifity killing off Sally. I don't care if it is good writing, it doesn't make me feel better. I guess I care too much as Sally that she is an exception to this rule for me, or I am starting to think that it is best for writers to play it safe. With a story, I for the most part, favor a basically happy ending, where characters overcome great challenges, not a sad ending. Too much has happened in the comic book, Sally's death would only make me angry, not emotionally sasfied. I don't read the comic to make me feel awful and hurt and don't want to feel that way when I read the comic. I don't like my emotions being toyed or played with. In my mind Sally should be with Sonic and have a long happy life with him.

[LaserX5]

Based on what little evidence there is, I am starting believe the Sally being legionized/robotized or whatever.

I understand what John is saying, but still it bothers me when people seemingly try to justify killing off Sally. I don't care if it is good writing, it doesn't make me feel better. I guess I care too much as Sally that she is an exception to this rule for me, or I am starting to think that it is best for writers to play it safe. With a story, I for the most part, favor a basically happy ending, where characters overcome great challenges, not a sad ending. Too much has happened in the comic book, Sally's death would only make me angry, not emotionally satisfied. I don't read the comic to make me feel awful and hurt and don't want to feel that way when I read the comic. I don't like my emotions being toyed or played with. In my mind Sally should be with Sonic and have a long happy life with him.

I feel the same way you do.

The fact Ian is playing mad scientist with Sally now just seems downright diabolical.

Not saying she can't ever be touched, or have something bad happen to her, but c'mon, do it right!

Having her legionized/roboticized makes absolutely no sense, at least to me.

If Sally has to be lost, at least do it with a ? attached to it.

Like, say perhaps she was severely injured from 230 and her whereabout is currently unknown. Maybe this injury could even cause her to have amnesia and overtime has to rediscover herself.

That at least would be somewhat of a merit, because it would leave both sides unsatisfied, which is the way to go I believe.

But to have Sally end up a robotic slave or even dead is just one of the biggest cheap shots ever.

Does Ian and his staff really think we're stupid or something? This move is obviously his twisted attempt to get Amy closer to Sonic, as one of the Archie staff members inadvertenly mentioned this in a recent interview.

[PuffinGrandeur]

They mentioned Amy getting a bigger role. That could mean pretty much anything, seeing as she has practically no role as it is now. Considering Sonic and Sally have been getting together and closer since Ian's run started, and he's blatantly stated he likes SonSal best, I wouldn't say this was a SonAmy ship thing.

Also holy shit those suggestions are terrible. Amnesia? Really? How does that even put a ? on things?

[LaserX5]

They mentioned Amy getting a bigger role. That could mean pretty much anything, seeing as she has practically no role as it is now. Considering Sonic and Sally have been getting together and closer since Ian's run started, and he's blatantly stated he likes SonSal best, I wouldn't say this was a SonAmy ship thing.

He said, "Sonic would be needing Amy's help in the upcoming issues. What does that tell you?

In so many words, Amy is going to be trying to fill Sally's role, or void more or less.

Also holy shit those suggestions are terrible. Amnesia? Really? How does that even put a ? on things?

Ok, smart guy, what would you suggest?

Amenesia wouldn't be entirely be a bad thing, if it was written properly.

And besides, her being MIA would be easier to swallow than, "Oh, Sally's a robot now, and she works for Eggman. OOOHHH! How awful!"

Or even worse, showing her funeral.

[PuffinGrandeur]

It says that Amy might actually do things as a Freedom Fighter with the kingdom and Eggman Empire having gone to hell, instead of sitting around while Sonic and Sally fix everything. :V
Not answering the question of Sally being dead forever is just a terrible idea, and resorting to amnesia only makes it worse. I don't need "better ideas" to call it bad. Has amnesia ever been done well in comics or Sonic?

Ever?

Hell, how is her being MIA supposed to even be easier to swallow? She's just supposed to disappear into thin air forever until the book is over? I thought having people wait to find out a cliffhanger was supposed to be a bad thing. Did that change?

[LaserX5]

It says that Amy might actually do things as a Freedom Fighter with the kingdom and Eggman Empire having gone to hell, instead of sitting around while Sonic and Sally fix everything.

And you believe that nonsense of theirs?

C'mon now, you know there's something going on behind the scenes.

Sally's fate is hanging in the balance and Amy is now getting a role expansion some time after this is WAY too coincidental to be anything other than Archie and Sega meddling behind the scenes.

Not answering the question of Sally being dead forever is just a terrible idea, and resorting to amnesia only makes it worse. I don't need "better ideas" to call it bad.

If you don't have a better idea, then please don't criticize those who try to think of something else.

That's just common courtesy.

Has amnesia ever been done well in comics or Sonic?

Ever?

I just said maybe. Sheesh, you really need to read the entire context of my posts before jumping to conclusions.

Hell, how is her being MIA supposed to even be easier to swallow? She's just supposed to disappear into thin air forever until the book is over? I thought having people wait to find out a cliffhanger was supposed to be a bad thing. Did that change?

Again, you're misinterpreting what I was trying to say.

I never said MIA forever.

But since Ian is determined to put a target on Sally's back, why not at least do it with a little dignity?

What I had in mind is that perhaps Sonic and the others are forced to leave Sally behind for whatever reason and try to rescue her later.

But when they do, there's no trace of her anywhere. Not even Eggman can find her.

How this could be pulled off IMO is have the Death Egg heavily damaged from Sonic and the FF's attacks, thus crashing miles away with her still in it.

They search the wreckage, but there's no sign of her anywhere.

This way, it would be left with a ? since they can't prove she's alive or dead, and it would leave those who care about the character a small hope she may be still out there.

Where exactly, who knows?

[PuffinGrandeur]

If you don't have a better idea, then please don't criticize those who try to think of something else.

That's just common courtesy.

No it's not. It's stupidity.

And the paranoia about Amy Rose is honestly sort of hilarious. Amy's been slowly turning into a character who does things over the last five years; the same five years that Sonic and Sally's relationship was repaired, and blatantly favored. Amy is apparently an obvious favorite, despite being featured in about a fourth of the stories when she doesn't have writers actively ignoring her. Sally being gone means the field leader's gone, Naugus is ruling the city, Eggman Empire is back in full force. There's stuff to be done, and Amy's in a prime position to do it now that one character isn't hogging EVERYONE'S spotlight.

[LaserX5]

No it's not. It's stupidity.

And the paranoia about Amy Rose is honestly sort of hilarious. Amy's been slowly turning into a character who does things over the last five years; the same five years that Sonic and Sally's relationship was repaired, and blatantly favored. Amy is apparently an obvious favorite, despite being featured in about a fourth of the stories when she doesn't have writers actively ignoring her. Sally being gone means the field leader's gone, Naugus is ruling the city, Eggman Empire is back in full force. There's stuff to be done, and Amy's in a prime position to do it now that one character isn't hogging EVERYONE'S spotlight.

Ok, if you're just going to be very rude and try to prove you're better than me, then I'm just going to put you on the ignore list.

I didn't mind debating with you before because you at least kept it somewhat respectful, but now you seem to be just all out attacking me for me stating my opinion, which I do not appreciate one bit.

You don't like what I have to write, then do me a favor and stop reading it.

Anyway, it's very obvious to me now you don't like Sally very much, as your last sentence states.

Whatever, that's your right I suppose.

To be honest, I wonder at times why you're even on this site. You don't seem to be any fan of Sonic Satam at all.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Criticism of an idea does not need to come with better ideas any more than you have to be able to cook to taste bad food. To state that amnesia would be a better idea than the current series' mystery is pretty bad, and I don't need to say "Badnik, Roboticized, Legionized, Shot" to state so. Sally's a good character, but even as the latest arc shows: she pulls so much of the legwork that there isn't enough room for the other characters half the time. The storyline is going in several directions right now, with TONS of opportunities for characters to shine (and that includes the OTHER Freedom Fighters) and if Sally really is gone then that only adds to the possibilities.

SataM's okay. I like more what it did for the comic (giving us the Freedom Fighters) than I do the actual show.

[LaserX5]

Criticism of an idea does not need to come with better ideas any more than you have to be able to cook to taste bad food. To state that amnesia would be a better idea than the current series' mystery is pretty bad, and I don't need to say "Badnik, Roboticized, Legionized, Shot" to state so..

When are you going to stop taking what I say out of context?

I said, maybe amnesia. It was just another thought I've churned in my head. My main idea was Sally MIA.

Anyway, If you don't think it's a good idea, fine, that's your right, but do it respectfully, man.

Would you like to see people on here insult you when you're expressing your honest opinion?

Sally's a good character, but even as the latest arc shows: she pulls so much of the legwork that there isn't enough room for the other characters half the time. The storyline is going in several directions right now, with TONS of opportunities for characters to shine (and that includes the OTHER Freedom Fighters) and if Sally really is gone then that only adds to the possibilities.

I believe Sally being called a spotlight hog is a serious misconception. Yea, she's there alot, but it's not like she's there, kicking butt like Sonic and Amy do at times.

Plus, why is it Sally always gets the blame for the others not getting more time when it's the writer who's giving it to her in the first place?

There's nothing stopping him from giving other characters more screentime. The fact Ian has to use this, "Well, I think I'll do something terrible to Sally in order to let Amy and the others have a turn." excuse, is really, really ridiculous.

There are so many better ways to properly handle Sally's screentime being reduced without desecrating her actual character.

SataM's Okay. I like more what it did for the comic (giving us the Freedom Fighters) than I do the actual show.

Really?

Personally, I think the comic seriously pales in comparison to the show.

At least it had good writers on it. But the comic...? Pffft. Might as well hire Goofy to be the writer.

He couldn't really do much worse.

[LogiTeeka]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna wait till the issue arrives to settle the matter.

At some point in the future (when we all moved on to better things in life) we'll look back at this issue and say to ourselves "What the **** was I so upset about?" So what if she's dead or not, Sally's legacy will still be remembered as long as the fanbase lives. Sonic and the gang have been through rough times, but they've always managed to pull through and they'll continue to venture onwards to new territory and adventures, despite their losses. Unfortunately, most of their fans prefer stay behind.

"They're not real! Stop acting like they're f***ing real!" - Angry Video Game Nerd

I can understand that people love fictional characters (who doesn't?), but when people start arguing obsessively over fictional characters like they're physical beings... yeah. Creepy subject.