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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 LaserX5

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:05 PM

Shadow, that's clearly not Spaz up top. He didn't contribute a single page to 125, and it looks way more like Axer anyway.


He meant with 226.

SegaSonic got forced into Sonic the Hedgehog when Sonic the Hedgehog became the title character, and there actually are comic fans (oh, I'm sure they're not TRUE Scot--comic fans, but I digress) who want the SegaSonic characters. You can pretend they aren't there as long and hard as you want, but they won't stop existing. Then again, who am I to stop you from doing so?


I don't mind SegaSonic if they're used a stepping stone to Satam. But instead, it's the other way around. Satam is being used as a stepping stone to SOJ's tryannical ways.

What a joke.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:02 PM

Comparing Spaz's art over the years doesn't work if you don't use Spaz's art.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:05 PM

The 2011 image doesn't look a thing like Spaz's style to me. In particular, Spaz would never draw Sally with that ridiculous cheekruff.

Hmm... one wonders why Antoine's surname is given as Depardieu. I know that was his SatAM surname, but why the switch back in Archie? Especially since they're calling Rotor "Boomer", which was a strictly Archie thing...

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 03:35 PM

It's Just a Theory That Sally May Merge With Nicole in Sonic #230.



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Posted 27 July 2011 - 07:36 PM

Knuckles archives?! This might require the transaction of currency for goods and/or services.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 08:59 PM

Why does everyone here constantly complain about Ian's direction? Sure, he's made some weird or stupid decisions in previous stories; but at least he keeps the comics interesting and consistent (which is an improvement when compared to the earlier issues).

And why do people still complain about the lack of SatAM in the comics nowadays? Sure, it was dark and epic; but that was back in the early 90's. It's now 2011 and Sonic has changed since then; he's moved on to new territories. Plus I figured the SatAM theme in the comics would've ended back in issue #50 due to Robotnik's apparent death. I guess some fans simply cannot let go of the past and adapt to new surroundings like our beloved blue hero.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 09:36 PM

Why does everyone here constantly complain about Ian's direction?


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Sure, he's made some weird or stupid decisions in previous stories; but at least he keeps the comics interesting and consistent (which is an improvement when compared to the earlier issues).


Maybe, but at what cost?

The comic has no continuity anymore. It's like every issue, something bizarre happens.

And why do people still complain about the lack of SatAM in the comics nowadays? Sure, it was dark and epic; but that was back in the early 90's. It's now 2011 and Sonic has changed since then; he's moved on to new territories. Plus I figured the SatAM theme in the comics would've ended back in issue #50 due to Robotnik's apparent death. I guess some fans simply cannot let go of the past and adapt to new surroundings like our beloved blue hero.


Because the past of Sonic's era was him at his best. In the 90's, Sonic was in his prime, having interesting games, a nice supporting cast, and actually gave Nintendo a real challenge to Mario as the #1 Video Game mascot.

Now?

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It's like Sega said after 2001, "Who cares about quality and substance anymore? Let's just slop some stuff together and give it to the fans and watch them bite and rake in the dough."

Even in the comics, as time went on, it's like Sega didn't care about having a quality story within it anymore, so they decided to become more of dictator with this series than ever before, doing things their way regardless of the fans liked it or not.

Anyone who doesn't think Sega didn't have something to do with Sally's infamous slap and the breakup in 134 is only fooling themselves. I'd be willing to bet almost anything they forced Archie to make a move that drastic.

Even now, with the arc of Sally's life in jeopardy, I'm suspecting Sega had something to do with this.
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Posted 27 July 2011 - 10:55 PM

If Sega didn't care, why would they enforce more control? That is the opposite of logical (although not at all a surprising accusation.) Also, nope, it's been flat out stated. Sega has nothing to do with Sally dying; they do not give half a shit about how the Archie Sonic characters are used.

Also unexpected things happening does not mean continuity is gone.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 11:07 PM

If Sega didn't care, why would they enforce more control? That is the opposite of logical (although not at all a surprising accusation.) Also, nope, it's been flat out stated. Sega has nothing to do with Sally dying; they do not give half a shit about how the Archie Sonic characters are used.


I figured you'd reply to this eventually. xD

Anyway, if you read the post more accurately, I said they don't care about quality in their series. Big difference.

As for Sega denying any involvement in this...

Pfft. Who do they think they're fooling?

The same company who won't let the American version of Sonic into their games, and you're telling me they don't care how the comic is run?

Baloney!

I'd be willing to bet almost anything all of the changes from Satam to SEGASONIC during the comic's run were ordered by Sega itself.

Why else is the comic more like the games than ever before?

Also unexpected things happening does not mean continuity is gone.


It does when it happens almost every issue.

Look at the past ones if you don't believe me.

It's like something wild is happening in every one of em.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:37 AM

Also, nope, it's been flat out stated. Sega has nothing to do with Sally dying; they do not give half a shit about how the Archie Sonic characters are used.


Yet back during the whole Endgame storyline, it was Sega that wanted Sally to not be killed off.

Maybe they were more involved back in the comics early life then they are now.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:21 AM

As for Sega denying any involvement in this...

Pfft. Who do they think they're fooling?


Ian Flynn has flat out stated multiple times he gets no direction whatsoever about the ArchieSonic characters. They do not care at all what he does with them, and it has also been flat out stated that Sega did not order for Sally to be killed. They're not denying anything: they haven't said word one about Sally being dead. Because they do not care. They had her saved in Endgame because they were contemplating adding her to the SegaSonic cast, but those days are long gone. Archie has free reign.

The same company who won't let the American version of Sonic into their games, and you're telling me they don't care how the comic is run?

Baloney!


They care how the SegaSonic parts of the book are portrayed, and even that's only been since 2006 or so. It's blatantly obvious that nobody was paying attention to the Archie comic for a long time, because for quite a while Sega really DIDN'T care about quality. Because that's the thing: when the supervisor doesn't give a flip what the product ends up like, they pay less attention, not a whole lot more. Your stance is illogical because the entire premise is that Sega enforces quality control because it doesn't care about quality.

Why else is the comic more like the games than ever before?


Sega certainly cares more than they used to (I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying if they didn't care about quality and image than they wouldn't) but a large part of that is having the first writer in the entire history of the series that has actually played the goddamn games.

Also unexpected things happening does not mean continuity is gone.

It does when it happens almost every issue.


No, it still doesn't. I don't think you know what continuity means, because wild things happening in no way infringes upon that.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 12:56 PM

Ian Flynn has flat out stated multiple times he gets no direction whatsoever about the ArchieSonic characters. They do not care at all what he does with them, and it has also been flat out stated that Sega did not order for Sally to be killed. They're not denying anything: they haven't said word one about Sally being dead. Because they do not care. They had her saved in Endgame because they were contemplating adding her to the SegaSonic cast, but those days are long gone. Archie has free reign.


So you're really claiming Sega does not care one iota about this, inspite of the fact, when Sonic started to become involved romantically with Sally, they not once, but maybe twice didn't do a thing to intervene, even though its relationship was abruptly broken up some time later?

Give me a break!

I know about Sega's, "Sonic must always be a bachelor." demand.

They can claim, or not claim, as you put it to have no involvement in this matter all they want, but the facts speak otherwise.

In fact, weren't you the one who said Sega could shut down this comic anytime they wanted?


They care how the SegaSonic parts of the book are portrayed, and even that's only been since 2006 or so. It's blatantly obvious that nobody was paying attention to the Archie comic for a long time, because for quite a while Sega really DIDN'T care about quality. Because that's the thing: when the supervisor doesn't give a flip what the product ends up like, they pay less attention, not a whole lot more. Your stance is illogical because the entire premise is that Sega enforces quality control because it doesn't care about quality.


I meant they enforce their own policies regarding the comic. When did I ever say quality control?

Sega certainly cares more than they used to (I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying if they didn't care about quality and image than they wouldn't) but a large part of that is having the first writer in the entire history of the series that has actually played the goddamn games.


And yet this guy claims to be a SonSal fan. :thumbsdown:

Where's a lie detector test when you need one?


No, it still doesn't. I don't think you know what continuity means, because wild things happening in no way infringes upon that.


I don't know the full extent of that word, but I have a pretty good idea what it is. As a sports fan, that word comes up alot in regards to teams and how they do things.

To me, continuity is having a system or storyline kept pretty much the same, year after year.

And what I've seen from this comic, that couldn't be further from the truth. It's like Ian has to tinker with everything, and then when he does have changes, he changes it right back sometimes the very next issue, thus negating any logical reason for why he changed it in the first place.

What is up with that?

I'm not against things being rattled, but it has to make sense and have a purpose, not just be, "Oh, let's see... What I can do to shock the fans today?"
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 01:24 PM

So you're really claiming Sega does not care one iota about this, inspite of the fact, when Sonic started to become involved romantically with Sally, they not once, but maybe twice didn't do a thing to intervene, even though its relationship was abruptly broken up some time later?


Yes. They don't care about the ArchieSonic cast, they have made that abundantly clear. They could do whatever they wanted, they could shut down the comic if they thought it looked bad. But when it comes to the ArchieSonic cast, they let Archie's staff do whatever they want, because while they do own the characters technically, they don't have any use for them. It's not a matter of "Sega CAN'T say Sally has to die." They easily can. They just didn't.

Now you can say they're being indifferent, which will be seen as a blasphemous sin I'm sure. But they're really not involved enough in this to be malicious about it.

I know about Sega's, "Sonic must always be a bachelor." demand.


Except the mandate clearly didn't exist until a certain point in time (far too late, but that's beside the point.) Mandates can change over time, and I don't think you understand that. When Sonic dated Sally, the mandate wasn't there. Then, AFTER Sally broke up with Sonic and all the love triangle nonsense happened, they instated it.


I meant they enforce their own policies regarding the comic. When did I ever say quality control?


Why would they enforce their policies if they didn't care about the book put out? :V
Even if it's just making sure the image, tone and reputation of their creations are intact and in line with their own vision, Sega's clearly showing a level of control over what they believe to be important qualities to the book.

Sega certainly cares more than they used to (I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying if they didn't care about quality and image than they wouldn't) but a large part of that is having the first writer in the entire history of the series that has actually played the goddamn games.


And yet this guy claims to be a SonSal fan.


It's almost like he was a fan of two sections of a franchise at once! Is that even possible?!

To me, continuity is having a system or storyline kept pretty much the same, year after year.


Yeah, that's not really what continuity means at all in this case. That's just monotony.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:19 PM

Why has nobody asked about Spaz' large dive in art he usually does. I mean, look at the comparisons between years here. Yeah his art is still nice and crisp, but it feels something is lost.
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The top one isn't Spaz, that's for sure. It was somebody else, a great artist.

The only recent news I heard about that I hate is how Amy is supposed to have a larger role. I don't mind a deeper backstory but I hate how Amy's taking up the spotlight. Its like all the Satam characters minor now...

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:57 PM

Amy hasn't had a real spotlight in the entirety of the comic history despite being around since Issue 25, she can stand to be an important character after FIFTEEN YEARS. The storyline before Genesis was Geoffrey and Naugus using NICOLE to try and take over King Max's monarchy. SataM is fine.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:03 PM

Yes. They don't care about the ArchieSonic cast, they have made that abundantly clear. They could do whatever they wanted, they could shut down the comic if they thought it looked bad. But when it comes to the ArchieSonic cast, they let Archie's staff do whatever they want, because while they do own the characters technically, they don't have any use for them. It's not a matter of "Sega CAN'T say Sally has to die." They easily can. They just didn't.


I still don't believe that. The events of Sonic and Sally getting together and then having something dramatic happen sometime later is way too coincidental.



Except the mandate clearly didn't exist until a certain point in time (far too late, but that's beside the point.) Mandates can change over time, and I don't think you understand that. When Sonic dated Sally, the mandate wasn't there. Then, AFTER Sally broke up with Sonic and all the love triangle nonsense happened, they instated it.


Uh huh.

So they just happened to put it in after 134 was released.

Who do they think they're fooling?


Why would they enforce their policies if they didn't care about the book put out? :V
Even if it's just making sure the image, tone and reputation of their creations are intact and in line with their own vision, Sega's clearly showing a level of control over what they believe to be important qualities to the book.


You obviously don't understand dictatorship within a series.

Dictators don't have to care about the quality of their product, but they make sure they add their own two cents about it, even if the move is a bad one.

So yea, they don't care about making Archie Sonic an entertaining comic, yet they make sure Archie knows what they want in it goes through. SEGASONIC themes for example.


It's almost like he was a fan of two sections of a franchise at once! Is that even possible?!


Except his methods shows otherwise. If he was really a SonSal fan, he wouldn't play mad scientist with it.

207 was a great example just how little he cares about this pairing within the comic. The fact he makes Sally have a relationship with someone she wasn't even friends with before is downright ludacris.

I mean, I'm not against a love triangle, but crying out loud, do it right! If Sally is going to have someone else pursuing her, it has to make sense. Her with Monkey Khan made absolutely NO SENSE.

And yet, while it did lead to 212 with her and Sonic holding hands, choosing Sonic, I believed Ian was still toying with, "Should I keep Sally with Ken or not?" before the issue came out.

He even had a poll, asking how bad the fans wanted Sally with Sonic. That to me is a red flag. If he was a big SonSal fan as he claimed, he wouldn't have to ask that, he would have just done it.

Ben Hurst was a SonSal fan. Nobody questioned that. But Ian, he's as hard to figure out as trying to find a needle in a haystack.

IMHO, Ian is closet Sonic Satam hater, pure and simple.

The Genesis arc to me doesn't sway my opinion about this any differently. For all I know, he's having this as Sally's swan song, ready to kill her off in 230, while shrugging his shoulders, saying to those demanding why, "Sorry, everyone, it was for the best."

It's only a theory I'll admit, but 230 does not look encouraging. Not at all.

Yeah, that's not really what continuity means at all in this case. That's just monotony.


Then what would you call it then?
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:16 PM

Amy hasn't had a real spotlight in the entirety of the comic history despite being around since Issue 25, she can stand to be an important character after FIFTEEN YEARS. The storyline before Genesis was Geoffrey and Naugus using NICOLE to try and take over King Max's monarchy. SataM is fine.

The top picture has got to be Axer.


Amy already has a spotlight in the other Sonic communities. In Sonic X, the games, pretty much everything. This is the one series that retains characters from SatAM, and its OK for Amy to dominate here too? That character is like a virus, spreading everywhere and no way to stop it. If anything she should have a bigger part in Universe, a sub-series that's meant to follow along characters introduced in the games.

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 03:23 PM

I still don't believe that. The events of Sonic and Sally getting together and then having something dramatic happen sometime later is way too coincidental.


Sonic and Sally probably only got together again because Sally was going to die anyway, yes. It was part of the buildup, rising her up to make the fall more tragic. But that doesn't mean the relationship caused the death; if anything, it was the other way around. We already know the mandate exists, so why would that issue even exist and get approved? Because it was already decided that it wouldn't go against the rules.

You seem to think Sega saying "Sonic can't have girlfriends" goes against what I'm saying about Sega not giving a flip about the Archie cast, so I'm about to drop a heck of a bomb on ya.
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They do care what HE does. They would care if he was with Sally forever: but they deal with that by saying "don't have Sonic be with any girl forever," not by saying "Sally has to die." Again, it's been blatantly stated by the staff that Sega did not order Sally dead, and they do not care AT ALL about what Archie does with those characters. You even know this (whenever it's convenient) so why is it suddenly NOW so hard to believe?

So they just happened to put it in after 134 was released.

Who do they think they're fooling?


Quite a bit after, as far as the comics show. It's not like Home stopped the constant pining and attraction and romance focus that got cut out. As I said, Sega didn't really give a shit until around 2006. Sally and Sonic's breakup was just another part of the big mixup that was Sonic's OYL.

You obviously don't understand dictatorship within a series.

Dictators don't have to care about the quality of their product, but they make sure they add their own two cents about it, even if the move is a bad one.


Except they think their two cents are good ones, even if you don't. So I guess to them it IS quality control and caring!

Except his methods shows otherwise. If he was really a SonSal fan, he wouldn't play mad scientist with it.


Oh please, Ian brought Sally back onto the Freedom Fighters. He repaired their friendship and their romantic situation. He ended the relationship with Khan on the note of "I'll date Sonic." He's ended MxxYL with Sonic marrying Sally despite making the PERFECT opportunity to shake that up. He's blatantly stated that if he were to put Sonic with someone, it'd be Sally. His like of the ship is so obvious it almost hurts. The fact that he's able to shake up a sacred cow does not mean he's not a "true fan."

IMHO, Ian is closet Sonic Satam hater, pure and simple.


Again, he's stated multiple times that if he wanted, he could kill off the Archie cast and Sega wouldn't blink an eye. The fact that they get used so often, and so prominently (yes, even with the "Segafication") shows he clearly likes them. We didn't need to spend half the last year focusing on the Wolf Pack, Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, Naugus, King Max's legacy and NICOLE. But we did.

Then what would you call it then?


The continuity of a comic is basically its past and history. Keeping continuity is respecting what's already happened, remembering old events and characters, and trying not to contradict that (which, outside of stupid characterization debates, Ian is fairly good at.) It's not keeping things the same as they were. Changing things up by adding new things, by twisting old forgotten things into something better, by pulling out the past from the closet and making it work for the present? That's not breaking continuity. That's embracing and expanding on it.

HOLY GODS, that is a wall of text. I am not writing more of these, that's just annoying. Next time I'll remember and just throw some buzzwords and accusations around, hoping they stick. Can't believe they made Tails YELLOW in Generations!

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 04:11 PM

Sonic and Sally probably only got together again because Sally was going to die anyway, yes. It was part of the buildup, rising her up to make the fall more tragic. But that doesn't mean the relationship caused the death; if anything, it was the other way around. We already know the mandate exists, so why would that issue even exist and get approved? Because it was already decided that it wouldn't go against the rules.

You seem to think Sega saying "Sonic can't have girlfriends" goes against what I'm saying about Sega not giving a flip about the Archie cast, so I'm about to drop a heck of a bomb on ya.
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Sonic the Hedgehog was NOT A CHARACTER MADE FOR SATAM.
They do care what HE does. They would care if he was with Sally forever: but they deal with that by saying "don't have Sonic be with any girl forever," not by saying "Sally has to die." Again, it's been blatantly stated by the staff that Sega did not order Sally dead, and they do not care AT ALL about what Archie does with those characters. You even know this (whenever it's convenient) so why is it suddenly NOW so hard to believe?


Maybe because of the fact Ian's trying to kill Sally off, when it was a bad move by Ken Penders even back in 47?

Quite a bit after, as far as the comics show. It's not like Home stopped the constant pining and attraction and romance focus that got cut out. As I said, Sega didn't really give a shit until around 2006. Sally and Sonic's breakup was just another part of the big mix up that was Sonic's OYL.


How ironic that's the same year Ken Penders got fired and they put Ian Flynn as their new writer.

You still think Sega isn't a dictatorship?


Except they think their two cents are good ones, even if you don't. So I guess to them it IS quality control and caring!


No, they're not. Most of their two cents are bad moves. And no, it's not caring so much as it is demanding their way.

It's like dictators of another country that's in shambles. They make moves that profit them, not the citizens.

Same here. Sega is demanding moves that they want done for their own ego and power trip, not what's best for the comic. Because if they were good moves, Sonic wouldn't have lost alot of his luster over the years.

Oh please, Ian brought Sally back onto the Freedom Fighters. He repaired their friendship and their romantic situation. He ended the relationship with Khan on the note of "I'll date Sonic." He's ended MxxYL with Sonic marrying Sally despite making the PERFECT opportunity to shake that up. He's blatantly stated that if he were to put Sonic with someone, it'd be Sally. His like of the ship is so obvious it almost hurts. The fact that he's able to shake up a sacred cow does not mean he's not a "true fan."


You ever heard of the phrase fattening up for the kill?

This is what I believe Ian might be doing with Sally. He's been slowly restoring her back to being likable, and just when things are looking good, he's there with a knife to kill her off.

If Ian were a SonSal fan, this so called, "Will Sally die or not?" arc would never happen.

You think it's just a coincidence that he's had two controversial stories with her in the past 25 issues?

No way.

You do not make characters you like do OOC things or maybe end up with a horrible fate.

Rattled, maybe. Shaken up, perhaps, but not this.

This is a writer who pretends to like Satam, but secretly hates it. Too many moves have happened under his watch to prove otherwise.

Maybe you should read his convoluted Other M fan comic if you actually believe Ian knows what he's doing.

As for the M30 Years later, that is "alternate future." According to Ian.

Funny isn't it that Ken said the 25 year one was canon, and now Ian says it isn't. Sega dictatorship anyone?

Again, he's stated multiple times that if he wanted, he could kill off the Archie cast and Sega wouldn't blink an eye. The fact that they get used so often, and so prominently (yes, even with the "Segafication") shows he clearly likes them. We didn't need to spend half the last year focusing on the Wolf Pack, Sally, Rotor, Bunnie, Naugus, King Max's legacy and NICOLE. But we did.


That's because Ian knows alot of his readers read the comic because of them. He knows better to kill them all off. He's seeing the controversy of hinting about Sally being no more.

Imagine all of them...

The fans would have his head.

The continuity of a comic is basically its past and history. Keeping continuity is respecting what's already happened, remembering old events and characters, and trying not to contradict that (which, outside of stupid characterization debates, Ian is fairly good at.) It's not keeping things the same as they were. Changing things up by adding new things, by twisting old forgotten things into something better, by pulling out the past from the closet and making it work for the present? That's not breaking continuity. That's embracing and expanding on it.


It is breaking continuity when the moves make no sense.

I'm not against new things happening, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SENSE.

Pardon my caps speaking, but that is my main complaint with Ian's stories. Most of his moves don't compute at all.

That's why I'm calling him a mad scientist, because that's what they do, try new things without thinking things through.

A writer, when writing a story about anything has to make it make some sense. You cannot just throw darts at a storyboard and see if it fits.

HOLY GODS, that is a wall of text. I am not writing more of these, that's just annoying. Next time I'll remember and just throw some buzzwords and accusations around, hoping they stick. Can't believe they made Tails YELLOW in Generations!


I don't know why you put that in there, but whatever.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 05:29 PM

Maybe because of the fact Ian's trying to kill Sally off, when it was a bad move by Ken Penders even back in 47?


Half the time you say he's impossible to figure out and his ideas are terrible. Does that belief not exist now that you can attribute this move to someone you hate more?

How ironic that's the same year Ken Penders got fired and they put Ian Flynn as their new writer.

You still think Sega isn't a dictatorship?


2006 was the year both Sega and Archie got their shit in gear, but Archie did it first. The overhaul was not because of Sega, it was because of Mike Pellerito (and Penders was not completely barred from the books. He was told he could write backups and such, but that Archie wanted a new Ian Flynn guy heading the series. He declined, and we're here now.)


No, they're not. Most of their two cents are bad moves.

How can I say this simpler?
It doesn't matter if YOU think they're bad. It doesn't even matter if objectively they're bad. Sega does not think they are bad: they think they are good moves. They care about the quality and image. Just because you think they fuck it up, doesn't mean they aren't trying and you have no idea what you're talking about with this dictatorship rant.

You ever heard of the phrase fattening up for the kill?


For five issues? Yes. That's clearly being done. For FIVE YEARS? Please. That's just stupid (and no, I'm not calling Ian stupid in this sentence.) She gets controversial issues because the whole goddamn series has revolved around her since it started. It's not an issue of hating Sally, it's a way of doing something big.

Funny isn't it that Ken said the 25 year one was canon, and now Ian says it isn't. Sega dictatorship anyone?


No one but Penders says 25 Years Later is canon. NO ONE. That is not Sega being dictatorial, EVERYONE agreed it was a possible future at best outside of Penders.

That's because Ian knows alot of his readers read the comic because of them. He knows better to kill them all off. He's seeing the controversy of hinting about Sally being no more.


He doesn't have to focus on them so much though. Again, Archie originals and SataM-originals get TONS of focus right alongside the Sega stuff. No one aspect takes over the book, but if you really want to see which section of the franchise is being pandered to, 2011 AND 2010 has been purely focused on SataM and Archie-original characters for villains and storylines. Oh sure, Sonic Universe usually has one of the biggest Sega characters as a star, and one of its plots was based on an old obscure Game Gear Sega title, but the majority of the book for about the last two and a half years has been on non-Sega material.

And yeah, in terms of continuity doing things that are shocking or unexpected is, again, not breaking continuity. But I am breaking off that part of the discussion because there's really nothing to retort there.

Can you believe Rotor wasn't in Holoska? Way to go again Sega. :thumbsdown:




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