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[Alpha1]

I really don't think Ian would just go "Hey major character meet random hidden sentry gun! BLAM BLAM BLAM!" and end it like that. "Life Hangs in the Balance" =/= death as far as I'm concerned and from the looks of preview from the Genesis "reboot" in 226, it looks like they're trying to further constrict the identity crisis the comic has had ever since it's inception what with all of the different continuities that are found within this book.

I read how 225 ends on a different site, but without going into spoilers, If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that when Robotnik activates the Death Egg, it acts like a time machine to once again tell the absolute beginning of this version of the Sonic continuity and make it into the comic's very own identity rather than relying on the previously established ones and then trying to make it "work." All the characters still alive in the current timeframe are present back in this one (though naturally not all together).


Penders already tried to get rid of Sally because he had no idea what else to do with her at the time. His original EndGame vision giving her a "death with dignity" (How this even remotely qualified as such is beyond me, but I digress) was his way of trying to keep everyone relevant that currently existed.

Ian on the other hand doesn't strike me as a writer who would give up that easily since he likes Sally as a character and still has ideas for her beyond reigniting the flame between her and Sonic. All of the characters he has written out during his run, including those fans didn't even care about, have had much more dignified deaths and they weren't even remotely as important, which further should signify that he wouldn't off Sally in this manner.

Examples:

1) Tommy Turtle - a character whom nobody liked and shouldn't have even been alive to start with was the hero in a sense when he regained control of his possessed body long enough to suicidally dive into the Egg Fleet and end Anonymous' plan, as well as buy enough time for Tails & Shadow to send all of the emeralds laying around to a place where they would be "safe."

2) Sir Connery - A character seen maybe once or twice that even the most die-hard comic fans probably wouldn't remember, ended a major conflict by removing the demi-god status that Mogul had just acquired by sacrificing his life to destroy the trinkets (the crown and sword) that were feeding Mogul his power.

3) Locke - Knuckles father was originally slated to die in the future from some kind of cancer at a very old age. Slightly more popular than #1 & #2, he was killed off when he saved his son by removing a hex that gave his son unspeakable power as Enerjak and removing the taint from his mind placed by Dr. Finitevus.

Looking at those examples of lesser known/liked characters, to assume that he would knock off Sally, a character that many of the fans are very emotionally invested in (and not just the older ones like us!), in such a manner as many people are assuming is ridiculous. It would be utter suicide from not only a business perspective, but a career perspective as well. Even the readers who don't like Sally would probably give him crap about how he built up the character interactions between her and Sonic only for it to end just like that.

Although it may be a tad extreme, I am quite sure that this is going to be used as a character development tool rather than something that will further trim the bloated character lineup.

I'm not 100% sure that what I'm saying will be fact, but I am more than willing to bet that this plot device is being used to attempt to bring the comic closer to its own singular continuity rather than maintaining the horrific identity crisis that peaked when Sega started mandating massive changes back around issues #70 onward. Archie Sally is/has been part of the comic continuity since the very beginning and I highly doubt that this will cease to be the case anytime soon.

[bwrosas]

I really don't think Ian would just go "Hey major character meet random hidden sentry gun! BLAM BLAM BLAM!" and end it like that. "Life Hangs in the Balance" =/= death as far as I'm concerned and from the looks of preview from the Genesis "reboot" in 226, it looks like they're trying to further constrict the identity crisis the comic has had ever since it's inception.

I read how 225 ends on a different site, but without going into spoilers, If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that when Robotnik activates the Death Egg, it acts like a time machine to once again tell the absolute beginning of this version of the Sonic continuity. All the characters still alive in the current timeframe are present back in this one (though naturally not all together)


Penders already tried to get rid of Sally because he had no idea what to do with her. On a side note, how his original EndGame vision qualified as a "death with dignity" is beyond me, but I digress.

Ian on the other hand doesn't strike me as a writer who would give up that easily since he likes Sally as a character and still has ideas for her beyond reigniting the flame between her and Sonic. All of the character's he has written out of the main continuity, including those fans didn't even care about, have had much more dignified deaths which further should signify that he wouldn't off Sally in this manner.

Examples:

1) Tommy Turtle - a character whom nobody liked and shouldn't have even been alive to start with was the hero in a sense when he regained control of his possessed body to suicidally dive into the Egg Fleet and end Anonymous' plan, as well as buy enough time for Tails & Shadow to send all of the emeralds laying around to a place where they would be "safe."

2) Sir Connery - A character seen maybe once or twice that even the most die-hard comic fans probably wouldn't remember, ended a major conflict by removing the demi-god status that Mogul had just acquired by sacrificing his life to destroy the trinkets (the crown and sword) that were feeding Mogul his power.

3) Locke - Knuckles father was originally slated to die in the future from some kind of cancer at a very old age. Slightly more popular than #1 & #2, he was killed off when he saved his son by removing a hex that gave his son unspeakable power as Enerjak and removing the taint from his mind.

Looking at those examples of lesser known/liked characters, to assume that he would knock off Sally, a character that many of the older fans are very emotionally invested in, in such a manner as many people are assuming is ridiculous. It would be utter suicide from not only a business perspective, but a career perspective as well. Even the readers who don't like Sally would probably give him crap about how he built up the character interactions between her and Sonic only for it to end just like that.

Although it may be a tad extreme, I am quite sure that this is going to be used as a character development tool rather than something that will further trim the bloated character lineup.

And that's sort what I've been trying to tell people

[Vampfox]

The more that I think about it, the more sure I am that Sally will survive this, but she'll be badly injured.
Robotnik will probably find her, and brainwash her into becoming a member of his Dark Egg Legion.

[bwrosas]

The more that I think about it, the more sure I am that Sally will survive this, but she'll be badly injured.
Robotnik will probably find her, and brainwash her into becoming a member of his Dark Egg Legion.

Again, no DEL will happen to her

But now onto this:


You know folks, we can joke all we want and launch fireworks or riot over what's happen at the end of 225.

But what we can't forget, is this, Ian's eyes are watching!

What I mean, is Ian said on his board at Bumbleking, that he's been visiting every Sonic forum since 225 was released, so he sees what many of us are saying. And I think he looks at what the majority of the overall fanbase on these forums are for and against.

Let's not also forget that he has a DA account and probably sees the SatAMForever, SonicxSally, SallyAcorn, SonSal and even yes, the SonAmy groups and clubs there and along with what he sees on the forums he visits, doesn't take that into account for what will occur after 225 and GENESIS, because he does.

Now let's say, for the sake of agurement, he does kill Sally, doesn't mean she's completely dead from the overall franchise, because she will still live on through the SatAM Series and Box Set, as well as through the issues before 225 and GENESIS and most importantly, Fanart and Fanfiction.

And if you want a good example of what I'm saying, look up Jean Grey from X-Men, for you see, she is alive in the 3 animated series that have been made so far, and most recently, in Marvel Vs Capcom 3, but yet she is dead (at most times) in the comics, and dies at the end of X2 and X3 in the movies.

So even if Ian, pulls the trigger and decides to kill Sally, she will still live on in other forms of media, based on the franchise.

[LaserX5]

The more that I think about it, the more sure I am that Sally will survive this, but she'll be badly injured.
Robotnik will probably find her, and brainwash her into becoming a member of his Dark Egg Legion.

You know, as crazy as that theory of yours, it actually doesn't sound that off the wall when I give it some thought. Ian might actually pull off a stunt like this.

The more that I think about it, the more sure I am that Sally will survive this, but she'll be badly injured.
Robotnik will probably find her, and brainwash her into becoming a member of his Dark Egg Legion.

Again, no DEL will happen to her

But now onto this:


You know folks, we can joke all we want and launch fireworks or riot over what's happen at the end of 225.

But what we can't forget, is this, Ian's eyes are watching!

What I mean, is Ian said on his board at Bumbleking, that he's been visiting every Sonic forum since 225 was released, so he sees what many of us are saying. And I think he looks at what the majority of the overall fanbase on these forums are for and against.

Let's not also forget that he has a DA account and probably sees the SatAMForever, SonicxSally, SallyAcorn, SonSal and even yes, the SonAmy groups and clubs there and along with what he sees on the forums he visits, doesn't take that into account for what will occur after 225 and GENESIS, because he does.

If he takes into account of what we think, why did he go ahead with temporarily pairing Sally with Khan from 207-212? He must have known we didn't want it by all the negative comments, yet he did for a short period of time anyway. That kiss they shared was pretty intimate IMHO.

Now let's say, for the sake of argument, he does kill Sally, doesn't mean she's completely dead from the overall franchise, because she will still live on through the SatAM Series and Box Set, as well as through the issues before 225 and GENESIS and most importantly, Fanart and Fanfiction.

And if you want a good example of what I'm saying, look up Jean Grey from X-Men, for you see, she is alive in the 3 animated series that have been made so far, and most recently, in Marvel Vs Capcom 3, but yet she is dead (at most times) in the comics, and dies at the end of X2 and X3 in the movies.

So even if Ian, pulls the trigger and decides to kill Sally, she will still live on in other forms of media, based on the franchise.

While that is true, to kill off Sally would a great stab in the back to all Sonic Satam fans who care about this character. In a way though, I suppose though I shouldn't care that much, especially since the Archie Sally is a shell of what made her such a cool character in Satam, but I still don't want to see it happen.

And besides, if Sally does indeed gets killed off, guess who Ian might just dare to pair the blue blur with in her place.

Yea, I know this is pure speculation on my part, and the irony is, I did alot of this when he threw 207 at us, but I just wonder why even throw the idea up in the air at all? Wasn't the controversy that surrounded EndGame enough to deter this from even being thought up again?

[bwrosas]

Well to sum it up, Ian just to simplfy things into one in the comic.

And The Kahn/Sally was just for the ID arc

[Shadow]

Did you all miss that picture I posted of Sally in Green Hill Zone? >.>

[bwrosas]

YEAH!, EVER HEAR OF"Turtles Forever"

[Ther2view]

YEAH!, EVER HEAR OF"Turtles Forever"

Hey, I heard of it! I saw it, too! And it was good as well! But, why do you ask?

[Rosy]

Now let's say, for the sake of agurement, he does kill Sally, doesn't mean she's completely dead from the overall franchise, because she will still live on through the SatAM Series and Box Set, as well as through the issues before 225 and GENESIS and most importantly, Fanart and Fanfiction.

So even if Ian, pulls the trigger and decides to kill Sally, she will still live on in other forms of media, based on the franchise.

Let's not forget that also she COULD be alive in other zones thanks to the Cosmic Interstate, even if Sally Prime dies, we could still see a SALLY from another zone, wouldn't be hard... In fact I've been wondering if that would be something they'd try, kill off a Prime Freedom Fighter and replace them with a counterpart from another zone somehow, I mean look our current Robotnik is from another zone.

[bwrosas]

YEAH!, EVER HEAR OF"Turtles Forever"

Hey, I heard of it! I saw it, too! And it was good as well! But, why do you ask?

What did Shredder do, that's simailar to what Eggman is doing right now at the end of 225?

[Shadow]

From what I gather. Eggman wiped everyone's memories and are meeting all over again. Tho this will probably wear off and they'll end up blowing the Death Egg and revert everything to normal.
What I'm wondering is what happens to Naugus?

[John Roberts]

to kill off Sally would a great stab in the back to all Sonic Satam fans who care about this character

Or perhaps it is the fact that Sally is quite well loved by many fans that killing her would have a bigger impact on the story than, say, killing some random background character nobody cares about? I don't want Sally to die either, but that is the point in caring about characters. You care that they fight, they survive, they love, they live and they die. Telling a story and making it mean something is what it's all about. I think the 'stab in the back' is a bit over dramatic here. I don't see this as SatAm fans being 'betrayed', or some such.

If Sally's death resulted in an emotional and compelling story and lots of juicy character development ensued, I say yay. The story is the Master, and the characters are It's bitches. Not even the main characters should be exempt from that rule, regardless of their SatAM or SEGA heritage.

However, if Sally's death makes a compelling story, and it is followed by a cheap universe reset button (this 'Genesis' thing I keep hearing about), then what is the point in telling the story in the first place? It's just cheap.

If Ian can indeed create a deep, powerful story - something Archie has had very (very) little of - and he accomplishes this by killing such a beloved character, then I gotta say 'bravo'. You'll never see such a story developed with Amy's character at the front of it, or one of the many other untouchable SEGA drones (SEGA would never let that happen, not their characters). Such a story delivered by one of our SatAM characters is a huge testimony to our favourite Sonic verse.

[Ther2view]

YEAH!, EVER HEAR OF"Turtles Forever"

Hey, I heard of it! I saw it, too! And it was good as well! But, why do you ask?

What did Shredder do, that's simailar to what Eggman is doing right now at the end of 225?

Oh... gotcha! I guess it's sorta like that.

[LaserX5]

Or perhaps it is the fact that Sally is quite well loved by many fans that killing her would have a bigger impact on the story than, say, killing some random background character nobody cares about? I don't want Sally to die either, but that is the point in caring about characters. You care that they fight, they survive, they love, they live and they die. Telling a story and making it mean something is what it's all about. I think the 'stab in the back' is a bit over dramatic here. I don't see this as SatAm fans being 'betrayed', or some such.

Fair point.

To be honest, it was how Satam portrayed Sally in the show that made me like her for who she was. The comic on the other hand has left me feeling very dissatisfied, even disgusted at times with the way they handled her personality. Ben Hurst really should get more credit than he deserves for how he handled her complex personality. He was one of the very few who seemed to get it right when it came to her feelings and emotions.

If Sally's death resulted in an emotional and compelling story and lots of juicy character development ensued, I say yay. The story is the Master, and the characters are It's bitches. Not even the main characters should be exempt from that rule, regardless of their SatAM or SEGA heritage.

However, if Sally's death makes a compelling story, and it is followed by a cheap universe reset button (this 'Genesis' thing I keep hearing about), then what is the point in telling the story in the first place? It's just cheap.

Can't argue with this. While I think there should be a rule against killing off valuable characters, I guess in a way it does make a story better if written well.

You'll never see such a story developed with Amy's character at the front of it, or one of the many other untouchable SEGA drones (SEGA would never let that happen, not their characters).

And that is why the idea of hinting of killing off Sally deeply repulses me. If she can get this treatment without so much as a protest from Sega, why not Amy, Tails, or even Sonic himself for that matter? If they're going to say major characters are fair game for killing off to make an epic and tragic story, then so should they be of no exception as well.

Ironically, I actually wouldn't mind seeing a story of them saying Amy might get killed in a later arc. She is so poorly portrayed as Sally is I hate to say.

[DCC]

I wouldn't want Sally to be killed off even if it did make a good story. Maybe years ago I could have accepted it, but Endgame turned me off to the idea forever.

[bwrosas]

You know, thinking about it, the more we say Ian won't do it, chances are he just might. Because we are calling his bluff, so he may do it to prove ua all wrong.

Then again, maybe not,

[LaserX5]

You know, thinking about it, the more we say Ian won't do it, chances are he just might. Because we are calling his bluff, so he may do it to prove ua all wrong.

Then again, maybe not,

Trying to figure his thought process out is like trying pick the right lottery numbers.

People are usually more wrong than right.

But, then again, this is the guy who made the story about New Mobotropolis coming back without any repercussions.

One thing I do know, if Ian does indeed go through with it, I hope he gets a TON of backlash in the process, especially if he does it cheaply.

This is a character he cannot be flippant about if he has to kill her off.

[Massagraf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ

@Archiehaters: If she eventually ends up dead, look on the bright side: if you think Ian is such a bad writer, Sally's been put out of her misery, right?

[LaserX5]

@Archiehaters: If she eventually ends up dead, look on the bright side: if you think Ian is such a bad writer, Sally's been put out of her misery, right?

Would you say that about Bunnie if she was the one he was hinting at killing off?