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[supafue]

Marvel and DC are so passionate about their shows, so passionate with fan support, that they continue to release movies of their most popular characters. Several points throughout the year, a movie relating to a comic continuity may occur, and they may even use the art-style reminscent of the shows people loved, for the sake of pleasing fans.

Present day, it's unlikely that a Satam Season 3 may even find a place to air... (I honestly think Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog has a better chance, because it is the comedy cartoon that most networks seem to prefer.) Certain comics always get movie continuities at the end of a "Saga" or so. If anything, they could use an Archie storyline as a continuity.

Many comic cartoons do this, so couldn't Sonic be allowed this? Even if a Scooby Doo series has concludes, animated movies continue to release, with references that signify continuity. I'd love that for SatAm, or atleast the "continuity" of Satam. I really look forward to SatAm's "take" on the Hyper Metal Sonic battles, the Knuckles meeting. In the form of animated movies, I honestly think the Sonic Satam can safely continue.

[LaserX5]

Many comic cartoons do this, so couldn't Sonic be allowed this?

3 words why it won't be allowed.

Sega of Japan.

They hate Sonic Satam, not to mention they're very stubborn and
refuse to be flexible about their product.

Ben Hurst attempted for years to get Sonic Satam going again, but Sega gave him nothing but grief about it everytime he tried.

Very sad...

[PSI Hedgehog]

Sega of Japan.

They hate Sonic Satam, not to mention they're very stubborn and
refuse to be flexible about their product.

Ben Hurst attempted for years to get Sonic Satam going again, but Sega gave him nothing but grief about it every time he tried.

Very sad...

Given that Sonic games have had mixed reviews since Dreamcast, Sega should consider giving Sonic SatAM another shot. Preferably as a game. If it works, they can work on bridging the SatAM Universe with the Modern series in the games. They've been doing all kinds of other stuff with the franchise in terms of games. Sonic Third Person Shooter hybrid (Shadow the Hedgehog), Sonic Beat'em up hybrid (Sonic Unleashed), etc. I don't think a SatAM game would be a waste of money if they finish and release it.

[Hammer]

These are the same arguments said in the "Sega sponsored vs Fan produced Season 3" topic.
Even though Sega made a SatAM game, it was successful, and decided to make DVD movies, they wouldn't be SatAM.
Why?
They'd force the writers to include modern elements (for example Shadow, Amy instead of Sally, Robotnik with his Eggman look) and SatAM would become Archie (I miss the ol' Archie days, up to Endgame. It sure was childish in the first years, but it contained many elements from SatAM. Particularly the first issues felt like if it were a more lighthearted, AoStH-like Sea3on).

[PSI Hedgehog]

These are the same arguments said in the "Sega sponsored vs Fan produced Season 3" topic.
Even though Sega made a SatAM game, it was successful, and decided to make DVD movies, they wouldn't be SatAM.
Why?
They'd force the writers to include modern elements (for example Shadow, Amy instead of Sally, Robotnik with his Eggman look) and SatAM would become Archie (I miss the ol' Archie days, up to Endgame. It sure was childish in the first years, but it contained many elements from SatAM. Particularly the first issues felt like if it were a more lighthearted, AoStH-like Sea3on).

I'd like to see Amy hack the Doctor's computer databases. She wouldn't have a clue about what she was doing and probably end up triggering the alarm. Anyway, what I'm suggesting is Sega release a game that is completely based on Sonic SatAM (no modern stuff) to see how it turns out. If it does well enough, they can decide to slowly work the modern storyline into the SatAM series. I said "slowly" meaning they should do in steps with each game being one step. That also means no getting rid of Sally just to include Amy. Sega could work both of them into the story if they rework Amy's history with Sonic (I mean her being more like a sister he never had and have Sonic be a guardian brother to her.) As for Robotnik, I feel like they should rework at least his arms and legs or have them set off metal detectors. As for Shadow, I don't care either way, but like I said, "Work it in slowly."

[Alpha1]

Coulda sworn I hit post on this reply yesterday...

Sega of Japan.

They hate Sonic Satam, not to mention they're very stubborn and
refuse to be flexible about their product.

Ben Hurst attempted for years to get Sonic Satam going again, but Sega gave him nothing but grief about it every time he tried.

Very sad...

Given that Sonic games have had mixed reviews since Dreamcast, Sega should consider giving Sonic SatAM another shot. Preferably as a game. If it works, they can work on bridging the SatAM Universe with the Modern series in the games. They've been doing all kinds of other stuff with the franchise in terms of games. Sonic Third Person Shooter hybrid (Shadow the Hedgehog), Sonic Beat'em up hybrid (Sonic Unleashed), etc. I don't think a SatAM game would be a waste of money if they finish and release it.

I'm sure many of us share the same sentiment, including those who have/are growing up with the newer stuff. With all of the other ideas that they've tried in games you would think they would try a SatAM game, even if it was only a one-off kind of deal, it's not like this is a something that hasn't been done.

Perhaps the biggest irony that I keep hearing about, comes from people who have played and comment on Sonic games after the Genesis era and how they keep sneaking in SatAM and SoA references here and there. I can't confirm myself since I haven't touched a Sonic game since Sonic 3D Blast (96? 97?) but I've taken note of some what I've heard.

This includes things like (and I'm probably forgetting some):

1) Unleashed inserting "Sonic's favorite snack:" The chilidog in some store thing.
2) Amy making some ridiculously OOC speech in SA1 or 2 that sounds more like something Sally would've said had she been in.
3) Tails becoming more and more like Rotor with the genius/inventor role (don't remember the extent) in games.
4) "Swatbots" making appearances (in name only, not in SatAM form)
5) A rather interesting rumor regarding Sonic CD that the "Princess Sally" thing in the manual was because she actually was supposed to be in it, but since the show was still in pre-production or whatnot that they didn't want to do something with her since it might be OOC with what was being produced in what would become the SatAM cartoon (or something like this). Plus I guess since they were securing the rights to Amy at the time that they felt it would help build up that version of the character (which lo and behold, they ditched anyway to an extent)
6) Shade the echidna more or less being a more one-dimensional carbon copy of Julie-Su from whatever game that was.

Again I can't really confirm myself since I haven't cared about the games for a long, long time (so if someone else could, that'd be great).

Sonic may be dead to me as a video game character, but the SatAM cartoon and certain elements from the Archie comic keep me ever so slightly interested and willing to give him one final shot should they finally bring this continuity back. It really is a shame that they are so unwilling to reintegrate these characters in some shape or form aside from superimposing shreds of their personality and other elements over their own stuff.

It just seems so criminally inane when you look at all of the wasted potential from the western concepts, including portions of the Archie comic to an extent, that they have possession of just sitting around, especially when you consider the demographics of those who still call themselves Sonic fans. Even those who don't call themselves fans (myself included) don't want to hate the character, after all, we did see something that got us interested in the first place didn't we?



But I've strayed way off topic...

Maybe they'll eventually give it a shot in straight to DVD movies someday, it worked for Futurama and (ugh) Family Guy. One of my favorite video game characters, Sparkster the Rocket Knight, only finally got a 2nd video game sequel what, 15 years later? A lot of different franchises have seen reboots and revivals lately, so I would like to think that it is not an impossibility that maybe they'll try something with SatAM again. Maybe in 2012? (Assuming the world doesn't end upon exposing the public to yet another seemingly "When Hell freezes over" occurrence like this would be).

[DLTN]

I think SatAM could be brought back in game form if done correctly. It wouldnt be the same as the segasonic games though, and thats why I think it would never happen sadly. I like Psi's idea of a first game being strictly SatAM and then incorporating modern elements into its sequels if sucessful. I think Shadow could work with tweaking, and even Amy to some extent with serious rewriting of her background. In another thread I mentioned that this could work as an RPG mainly but a God of War/Devil May Cry style action adventure would be perfect for the characters in this continuity.
Moving back on topic I doubt it would go ahead either, but I bet at least a couple of the original Voice Actors would come back for it (You know Jaleel would).

Just out of Curiosity though... If originals could not come back and they had to recast...

...who would you like to have as a VO cast? I bet Willem Dafoe would rock as Robotnik if he used his Green Goblin voice lol.

[Hammer]

I'd prefer DVD movies than a game: I never like how voices are put in the videogames. Apart from the cutscenes (which aren't Sonic strong point) most of the time voice actors only say random sentences or grunts in these kind of games. That's my opinion, though.
Also, what happens to Robotnik's voice? He's alive, isn't he?
Robotnik's spanish VO's death was the reason because the season 2 petition never came to the light...

[PSI Hedgehog]

Hammer, I think Robotnik's American voice actor is still around. If I'm not mistaken, he was the voice of the Terror Mask in the Splatterhouse remake that was released last year.

[DLTN]

AoSTH Robotnik is dead, but Jim Cummings is still around.

[Vampfox]

It will never happen. Sadly Sega wants Satam to stay dead.
I'd love for Satam to comeback.
Satam did a lot for Sonic. It put him in a interesting world, a world that I personally found to be better then the world that he lives in the game canon.
Satam give Sonic some real personality. In the games I find Sonic to be a boring character.
Satam changed that. In Satam Sonic shows real emotions. We see him cry in some of the episodes.
The thing is that Sega sees Sonic only as a mascot for there company.
Sega wants Sonic to be cool, look cool, act cool, and talk cool.
Sadly things are not going to change anytime soon.

[LaserX5]

It will never happen. Sadly Sega wants Satam to stay dead.
I'd love for Satam to comeback.
Satam did a lot for Sonic. It put him in a interesting world, a world that I personally found to be better then the world that he lives in the game canon.
Satam give Sonic some real personality. In the games I find Sonic to be a boring character.
Satam changed that. In Satam Sonic shows real emotions. We see him cry in some of the episodes.
The thing is that Sega sees Sonic only as a mascot for there company.
Sega wants Sonic to be cool, look cool, act cool, and talk cool.
Sadly things are not going to change anytime soon.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

And it is due to their tyrant ways they will never compete with Mario again, let alone challenge him as the #1 video game character. Had they allowed Satam to be apart of the Sonic Franchise, I'm pretty confident they could have seriously given Nintendo a run for the money.

I don't think its a coincidence the Sonic comic survived this long than any comic starring a game character due to the Satam universe plot line.

But, this is their product sadly, and if they want to run it into the ground, they have the rights to do so.

What a waste.

[Vampfox]

One other thing that I forgot to put in my earlier post is would a straight to movie Satam dvd sell well?
Let's be more realistic. As much as we all love Satam and the Satam characters like Sally, Bunnie, Rotor, and Antione. They are not as well known nowadays as Amy, Cream, Shadow, Rouge, and Blaze the Cat.
The Sega characters are in the games, comics, anime like Sonic X.
Nowadays the Satam characters are only in the comic(which a lot of the Sonic fans dislike because it's not like the games), and if Sega wanted to they could tell Archie to scrap the Satam characters, and Archie wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.
Sadly I don't think that a straight to dvd Satam movie would sell well because the fans nowadays want everything to be more like the games storyling.
Unfortunately on a lot of forums Satam is treated like the black sheep of the Sonic franchise.

[LaserX5]

Unfortunately on a lot of forums Satam is treated like the black sheep of the Sonic franchise.

Satam the black sheep?

Shame on them for even making such an absurd statement!

If any Sonic series is the black sheep, it's Sonic X.

That one may have been more connected to the games, but it was the only one to have main characters in it that were of no value whatsoever.

Why on earth are some Sonic fans so narrow minded that they think the games are the only things considered acceptable to the series?

This fanbase has got to be one of most warped and divided I've ever seen of any series. It's no wonder Mario has left Sonic in the dust long ago.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Marvel and DC are so passionate about their shows, so passionate with fan support, that they continue to release movies of their most popular characters. Several points throughout the year, a movie relating to a comic continuity may occur, and they may even use the art-style reminscent of the shows people loved, for the sake of pleasing fans.

Present day, it's unlikely that a Satam Season 3 may even find a place to air... (I honestly think Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog has a better chance, because it is the comedy cartoon that most networks seem to prefer.) Certain comics always get movie continuities at the end of a "Saga" or so. If anything, they could use an Archie storyline as a continuity.

Many comic cartoons do this, so couldn't Sonic be allowed this? Even if a Scooby Doo series has concludes, animated movies continue to release, with references that signify continuity. I'd love that for SatAm, or atleast the "continuity" of Satam. I really look forward to SatAm's "take" on the Hyper Metal Sonic battles, the Knuckles meeting. In the form of animated movies, I honestly think the Sonic Satam can safely continue.

My bet would be to go with the Hub channel, if we're looking for a channel that would consider airing SatAM and/or Season 3. The main problem would be getting the red tape cut so's Season 3 could be properly made...

[Hammer]

Maybe the idea of a Season 3 could be based, as I said in another post, in motion comics, sort of what Marvel tried a few years ago?
I mean, flash animations using the Sea3on images as a base could be cool.
You know, I'm not thinking about something like old cartoons based on comics, where they just copied the panels and added lyp-sync, but...well, it's hard to explain, but I think someone will get the idea.
Maybe I should try a short flash to explain it.

[Inhibitor]

It will never happen. Sadly Sega wants Satam to stay dead.
I'd love for Satam to comeback.
Satam did a lot for Sonic. It put him in a interesting world, a world that I personally found to be better then the world that he lives in the game canon.
Satam give Sonic some real personality. In the games I find Sonic to be a boring character.
Satam changed that. In Satam Sonic shows real emotions. We see him cry in some of the episodes.
The thing is that Sega sees Sonic only as a mascot for there company.
Sega wants Sonic to be cool, look cool, act cool, and talk cool.
Sadly things are not going to change anytime soon.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I would have changed the 'there' to 'their' but the point was good.

I bet Willem Dafoe would rock as Robotnik if he used his Green Goblin voice lol.

Hell yeah

[Vlad Yvhv]

Maybe the idea of a Season 3 could be based, as I said in another post, in motion comics, sort of what Marvel tried a few years ago?
I mean, flash animations using the Sea3on images as a base could be cool.
You know, I'm not thinking about something like old cartoons based on comics, where they just copied the panels and added lyp-sync, but...well, it's hard to explain, but I think someone will get the idea.
Maybe I should try a short flash to explain it.

Probly better if they just go with regular animation, emulating the SatAM style.

[leenaz12]

Again I can't really confirm myself since I haven't cared about the games for a long, long time (so if someone else could, that'd be great).

[pacmancdi]

I doubt this would ever happen. We should just be grateful the show is out on DVD at all.