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[Vampfox]

Whenever the subject of "Satam" Robotnik/Eggman is bought up on a Sega forum. People are quick to say that "Satam" Robotnik is a boring one dimensional character, compared to Eggman from the games.

Personally I think that "Satam" Robotnik is a great character. One thing that I find interesting is his relationship with Snively. It's weird that Robotnik does not robotizice Snively. I also feel that his rivalry with Sonic is more interesting then the one that Eggman has in the games. I think that "Satam" Robotnik brings out Sonic's love for freedom better then Eggman does.
Eggman in the games hardly feels like a threat to Sonic. Plus his personality is that of a man-child.

[Inhibitor]

Where did you find all that? I think if anything people would agree that Eggman is the one-dimensional character, and Robotnik actually had a decent character. When you come to think of it, I say they're both different in many ways. Robotnik is hellbent on destroying on the freedom fighters and where they live, a no jokes kind of guy and constantly furious at everyone around him. Eggman however still has a evil nature but is more of a bumbling villain, getting fed up at his own creations but in a more comedic way then in SatAM. I'd say he also hates Sonic and his friends, but apparently he wouldn't go as far to hurt them in anyway(skip to 2:38) , and in complete irony, actually helps Sonic from becoming someone he isn't. Point is, SatAM Robotnik is kinda one-dimensional, considering he has a constant attitude for generally the entire series, but thats what made he so menacing. Eggman on the other hand does have more personality, but because of his constant failures and child-like attitude its hard to take him seriously.

[LogiTeeka]

When I first saw SatAM and SU, I always thought Robotnik and Eggman were brothers. They seemed entirely different to be the same character.

[saber16]

You know... one could compare those two to the 1980s-90's Shredder and the 2000's Shredder from the the TMNT incarnations. One is a bumbling idiot that every now and again will prove a threat, but in the long run is nothing more than a comedic foil to the heroes. The other is a a manipulative monster that proves himself as an actual threat that has to be taken down if the heroes ever want to restore peace. While it's true, the goofier takes on the characters have a lot more life to the characters and make them overall more enjoyable, I still prefer the darker takes on the two. They throw the world into chaos and the heroes need to fix it. Sure sure, Eggman has nearly brought an end to the world and old school Shredder has nearly whipped out the Turtles more than once... but the good guys over come these odds and best the villain... usually around the half hour mark. The darker incarnations have a real grasp on control and in the end really spice things up for the heroes and the audience.

[Metallou]

Whoever said that Jim Cumming's Robotnik was boring didn't watch SatAM or is a Segasonic fanboy. There's no way Eggman could top SatAM Robotnik in terms of threat and evilness.
Besides, he's got red glowing eyes, a deep and cold voice and a roboticized arm, coupled with a sadistic psychology! How boring could he be?

[John Roberts]

I agree, SatAM Robotnik was very one dimensional: He was evil because he was EVIL, and damn good at it. And I love him for it.

[SEGAMew]

I dunno, I like "one-dimensional" SatAM Robotnik. He was pretty successful in becoming ruler of the entire planet on the first try.

[Massagraf]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

[Bakuda]

SatAM Robotnic....boring?!? Come on!!! They may think he's boring because he's not as crazy and stupid as Eggman...but the pure evil of Robotnic paints the dark picture that the SatAM series relies on. As Ben Hurst had said (summarizing from memory), the freedom fighters weren't fighting a war...they had already lost the war. They were fighting against all odds to get back what was once theirs. Dark Robotnic alone may not be as interesting as his Eggman counterpart, but the effect that he has on the story as a whole makes for a much more interesting plot.

And besides...how can you compete with the voice of Jim Cummings???

[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Whenever the subject of "Satam" Robotnik/Eggman is bought up on a Sega forum. People are quick to say that "Satam" Robotnik is a boring one dimensional character, compared to Eggman from the games.

I haven't played much of the 3-D Sonic games. My only experience with "Eggman" is Sonic Heroes and the old SEGA Genesis games. SatAM Robotnik and SEGA Eggman have basically the same amount of "character depth" to them, it's just one is played over-the-top comedic, and the other over-the-top evil. From there it's just which you're more entertained by; a comedic antagonist or an evil antagonist.

I personally like the Robotnik that marinates in the sound of his own evil voice than the Eggman who's there just to be "mad scientist lol". But like I said, I've only seen him in the original games and Sonic Heroes. Maybe some of the other games portrayed his character better?

[SpartokBlokk]

But like I said, I've only seen him in the original games and Sonic Heroes. Maybe some of the other games portrayed his character better?

Well, Sonic Adventure 2 did a pretty good job with him, showing him as a fairly ruthless mad scientist.

And yeah, I'd say Robotnik was one dimensional, but so's Eggman... the amount of depth either of them has depends on whose looking at them. That being said, nothing about SatAM Robotnik is boring... if he were boring, he'd have left no impression whatsoever instead of being fairly commonly agreed as a great, menacing psychopath of a villain.

[MistressAli]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

IMO, it's become personal to Robotnik, the fight with the Freedom Fighters. He's obsessed with besting Sonic. Nuking the forest might get rid of his problem but I don't think he'd get the satisfaction of personally seeing Sonic die. But if he had live footage of Sonic during the nuke explosion, maybe...

Anyhoo, I don't think Robotnik's boring at all. He's fat, he's seXy, has an awesome voice, and an amusingly dark sense of humor. Despite his um... slight anger management problems, the guy really enjoys what he's doing.

[Vlad Yvhv]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

Because he couldn't get his hands on the proper materials to build a nuke?

[saber16]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

Because he couldn't get his hands on the proper materials to build a nuke?

Didn't he also desire the power rings as well?

[SEGAMew]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

Because he couldn't get his hands on the proper materials to build a nuke?

Because he's apparently good friends with Charles Darwin, not Eisenhower.


Sorry I couldn't resist =p

[LaserX5]

I agree, SatAM Robotnik was very one dimensional: He was evil because he was EVIL, and damn good at it. And I love him for it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If anything, Eggman is boring. Not to mention lame.

[randomizer]

I'm not sure Eggman from the games is even one-dimensional.

[DLTN]

SatAM Robotnik- He's awesome, Just an Evil bastard that is a lot of fun to watch.
Sega Eggman- Played for laughs but he is about as intimidating as a hampster.

Anything else I have to say has already been said better by others.

[DarthGamer]

If being an evil scientist with a roboticized arm, an entire army of robots, the ability to turn any flesh and blood creature into a cold, killing machine, having Jim Cumming's voice, and being actually threatening is boring, than Sega's hardcore fan base has low expectations. Sure Eggman has had his moments, (Sonic Adventure 2) but there are certain instances where I want a villain who is actually a threat. SatAM Robotnik is a threat, he has no remorse, no soul, or any regrets. Eggman may be more well rounded in some ways, but he's in every way.......pathetic.....for a lack of better words. I mean seriously, wanting to build a frigging amusement park is NOT evil! Why would you go out of your way to obtain limitless power, than decide to use that power to build a theme park?! *sigh* well either way, SatAM Robotnik is defiantly the better villain if you ask me/

[Rosy]

If SatAM-Robotnik is so evil, why didn't he just nuke the Great Forrest?

IMO, it's become personal to Robotnik, the fight with the Freedom Fighters. He's obsessed with besting Sonic. Nuking the forest might get rid of his problem but I don't think he'd get the satisfaction of personally seeing Sonic die. But if he had live footage of Sonic during the nuke explosion, maybe...

Actually Robotnik didn't just want Sonic killed, mostly he wanted to turn him and the rest of the Freedom Fighters into Robotic slaves. Sonic was going to be his prize as obviously as a robot his super speed would make him powerful, as the best issue of the Archie Comics Mecha Madness showed, Robotnik stated that was his dream come true, and had anticipated Sonic's speed to help power up his robotic form and used means to maximize all his abilities. That was the one issue I think they had SatAM's Robotnik pretty close I gotta say.

So that said, he wouldn't want to just nuke the Great Forest, far too much of a waste and loss of good robotic soldiers to be put to work. That and as another pointed out the Power Rings he really wanted to get his hands on, after all it was a good source of energy.

That said, Jim Cumming's Robotnik has always been my favorite version of Robotnik, Eggman just makes my eyes roll. Whoever said SatAM Robotnik is boring must not had ever seen much of SatAM honestly. Eggman had many chances to finish off Sonic and passed them up in SonicX, he just isn't a villain you can really even bother hating, Sonic clearly doesn't always hate him. Where as SatAM Sonic despises that Robotnik and you can tell. And what kind of villain would you be if the main character didn't do everything in their power to stop you? That and the voice was just PERFECT, I wish more cartoon villains sounded like that. I mean I introduced my boyfriend to Jim Cumming's Robotnik recently and mind you he has NEVER seen an episode of SatAM, he actually is used to Eggman as he's not old enough to have watched SatAM when it was first on. But when he heard the voice in this one clip I showed him, he said that voice fit Robotnik perfectly and said he could see why I liked this version already just from that, he had never heard a voice for Robotnik sound like a true villain and it already interested him.