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[Morgan]

Yeah, it's off topic, but I definitely have to agree with Golden Axe: Beast Rider. I almost don't even want to TOUCH the game. It makes me want to load up Golden Axe 1. So yes, definitely share the sentiments there.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Also, where in the world did you get the idea that I implied Disney came up with that story of King Arthur? I said it ripped off the movie, which is true. It has a merlin like character, a sword with powers, and a black knight. You do the math.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE KING ARTHUR LEGEND EVEN IS
Are you KIDDING ME Sword in the Stone doesn't even TOUCH Excalibur having any of its mystical abilities or the black knight, hell Black Knight doesn't even HAVE THE SWORD IN A STONE. The ONLY CONNECTIONS are the ones that came about because they were both connected to the legend of King Arthur. Why would Sega just out of the blue be ripping off a mediocre Disney film from over a decade ago? That doesn't even MAKE SENSE.

I was trying to point out how ridiculous these tenuous connections are (SataM being a ripoff of Lord of the Rings because it's a bunch of short furry-footed nature lovers being tasked to destroy the industrialist evil empire with a Power Ring) but you somehow made one that was even worse, and still ran with it. The point was that Sonic Unleashed wasn't a ripoff of Twilight Princess except for a werewolf myth being used (incredibly differently,) Sonic Colors' connection to Super Mario Galaxy is mostly just being in space (which is nothing new and still made for a highly enjoyable game,) and Sonic and the Black Knight has absolutely NO CONNECTION TO SWORD IN THE STONE EVER. It takes a HUUUGE near-delusional bias to believe there is one.

[LaserX5]

Why would Sega just out of the blue be ripping off a mediocre Disney film from over a decade ago? That doesn't even MAKE SENSE.

You're right it doesn't make sense, but that is what Sega does unfortunately. They have been known to rip other popular ideas for their mascot. Maybe that movie wasn't the best example to show how it ripped off King Arthur's legend, but the point is, it did rip it off.

The point was that Sonic Unleashed wasn't a ripoff of Twilight Princess except for a werewolf myth being used (incredibly differently,)

Right... So Sonic getting zapped by with a curse is different than what happened to Link when he got cursed after stepping into the Twilight. The curses may have happened differently, and the stories aren't the same. but the point is, they both transformed into a beast. Difference is, TWILIGHT PRINCESS CAME FIRST. Oh, and let's not forget after the curse, they each meet a character that they have to help whose world has been turned upside down. Yea, you're right. Sega didn't rip off much of that game at all.

Sonic Colors' connection to Super Mario Galaxy is mostly just being in space (which is nothing new and still made for a highly enjoyable game,)

Even so, Sonic Colors clearly ripped off Super Mario Galaxy. And if the space adventure isn't enough to connect this, how about the fact the aliens look alot like the lumas Mario helps? And to top it off, both villains use the space creatures as power sources. Seriously, how much more proof do you need?

and Sonic and the Black Knight has absolutely NO CONNECTION TO SWORD IN THE STONE EVER. It takes a HUUUGE near-delusional bias to believe there is one.

It ripped off King Arthur's legend if nothing else, and that's enough for me to say Sega was lazy and couldn't think of a more original story.

Plus, I haven't mentioned the other games they ripped off.

Sonic Battle - rip off of Super Smash Bros

Sonic drift and Sega All Star racing - rip off of Mario Kart.

Sega superstar tennis - rip off of Mario Tennis.

Sega has played Nintendo copycat far too often, and it is to their shame I might add. Instead of trying to comepete with them by coming up with orginal titles, they have to put their own spin on Nintendo's hard earned work.

Is it any wonder Sega continues to tank?

[PuffinGrandeur]

Racing games and fighting games are genres, yes being cursed to turn into a wolf is HOW WEREWOLVES ALWAYS WORKED ALWAYS, it's not unfortunate that Black Knight ripped off Sword in the Stone because IT CLEARLY DIDN'T AND IT WAS A STORYBOOK SERIES THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS RIPPING OFF KING ARTHURskfjdsdfb

Ugh. Sonic Colors and Super Mario Galaxy are clearly influenced, yes, but the game is still actually GOOD and stands on its own legs WITHOUT BEING A RIPOFF. And hey, it's actually SELLING too, so stupid Sega, keep on tanking huh? I swear, do you even take like five seconds of research for any of these statements.

Honestly, Sword in the Stone?!

[LaserX5]

You really seem to get a kick out of rebutting alot of my posts. Well, if that floats your boat...

While your argument for the Black Knight game is a hard one to counter I'll admit, I still don't believe it was an original game idea by Sega. And if you still don't think Sonic Unleashed ripped off Twilight Princess, how bout the fact its cover is similar to the Zelda one in regards to showing both forms of the hero of the game? You really think that's just a coincidence?

Oh and FYI, the only reason those latest Sonic games are selling at all is because I believe Nintendo has been giving them a hand after Sega made 2 bombs in Shadow the Hedgehog and and Sonic the hedgehog 2006. Both have some kind of alliance, since they have made games together.

Anyway, this debate is really getting pointless, so let's just end it altogether. You think Sega isn't so bad and their games are ok. Fine, you can have them. But I want no part of these recent lousy games. Yes, LOUSY GAMES, compared to Mario's anyway. The Mario games beat the Sonic games to pieces in today's market and it isn't hard to see why.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Nintendo isn't making Sega's games for it. Of course both games showed off the werewolf part of the game accentuating the two gameplay styles. Only one Sonic game ever beat a Mario game for sales, and Mario beats pretty much every other title on the market throughout the entirety of video games so how is that even supposed to be insulting? After Sonic Heroes, Sonic 06, and Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic shouldn't have sold at all anymore, but it's still going INCREDIBLY strong and critical reception has even been raising, in no small part due to the fact that Sonic Team obviously cares about the games again, which was clearly shown. Think things throooouugh before you say them.

[DLTN]

So... a new show, any ideas?

[SpartokBlokk]

Well, perhaps rather then a whole new series, maybe just release a bunch of animated shorts focusing on Sonic beating Robotnik and his badniks in a similar style as the intro and end movies of Sonic CD? No speech (beyond maybe a few grunts and misc noises) or anything, just Sonic displaying the various creative ways to take down Robotnik and his various creations, with the possibility of occassional guest spots by other chars. That's one idea I had that might be innocuous enough to not end in some dreadful controversy within the fandom.

[LaserX5]

Think things through before you say them.

I will if you will.

I politely asked you to end this silly debate of ours since neither of us is coming to a compromise about it.

So let's just agree to disagree , ok?

So... a new show, any ideas?

What's yours? I'd like to hear what you would like to see if it ever happened.

[DLTN]

I mentioned a few ideas at start of topic and about 2 characters in particular to add, but nothing really in depth tbh. I like SpartokBlokk's idea about a collection of shorts... I think most characters deserve a short to themselves if written properly.
Like something going into why Antoine is so scared all the time, besides him being French. Sally in her hut letting all her doubts take over and maybe giving in to any fears that failure on the next mission may bring, but then put on the brave persona we know before going out. Or maybe a flashback of Bunnie being put through her paces by the FFs to see what she can do after the partial roboticization, but to not shy away from the downsides of her condition either, such as the robotics "spreading" or the fact that she may never have a family due to problems.... down there. Maybe a bit much, but I would hazard a guess that something like that would be for the fans, who would easily be in mid to late 20s if the watched SatAM in its original run.

[LaserX5]

Sounds good. I wrote a fanfic about Sally's fear of failing to save Mobius from the Robotnik Empire, even tried to write a little backstory as to how Bunnie got half roboticized.

But yea, someone should write a fic of how Bunnie adjusted to becoming half robot.

That I guess would have been quite difficult IMO.

[DLTN]

One revelation about Bunnie could be that she is virtually immortal, or at least live beyond her natural years due to the cybernetics, meaning she could also fear being alone seeing that Sonic, Sally and the gang wont be around for as long as she will, because lets face it, the chances of a cure are slim at best.

[LaserX5]

Wow, now that's an interesting way to put Bunnie's scenario.

Never thought of the idea of being half roboticized would make her live longer to the point where her friends die before she does.

[PuffinGrandeur]

That works for a character like Jules, but Bunnie's only half bionic. Her other half would age like anybody else's.

[Hammer]

If I'm not wrong, nothing about Jules was revealed in SatAM, right?
But he's an interesting character. Adding his, Chuck's and Robotnik's backstories would be cool to SatAM.

[LaserX5]

No, unfortunately, he wasn't.

It's sad he and Bernadette weren't, because they both could have been solid Satam characters, even if they would have been roboticized for the time being.

[DLTN]

I was thinking that about Bunnie because we only know the outside extent of her Roboticization, I was merley stating that we dont know whats been done to her internally. Of course she will eventually die, but if cybernetics were now powering her lungs, heart or even brain due to the partial roboticization, then my bad sci-fi science says she will live a fair bit longer than the others.
I like the idea that Uncle Chuck invented the Roboticizer but Robotnik made use of it. For a remake/Reeboot/New show I think it could be re written to be a vapour, that is released in the familiar looking glass machine we see in SataM, that contains nanites that were supposed to "repair" mobians injuries during the Great War. And it worked... too well. It kept "fixing" the mobians until there was nothing organic left to repair, making them Robians. Chuck wanted to fix it and make it work... Robotnik saw his destiny...

[LaserX5]

Interesting description of Bunnie's condition.

Although, I do believe once the war ended, she would have the roboticization process reversed if possible. Being pretty and full fur would mean more to her than living a few more years with robotic limbs.

And, I love the way you described the Roboticizer, as it was a machine meant for good, but instead, it was too good, thus, Robotnik saw his chance and took full advantage of it.

Man, whoever came with that roboticizer idea was brilliant.

One of the best sci-fi devices ever made for an animated show.

[Hammer]

In fact, the Roboticiser backstory is one of the few bits that I'd keep intact from Archie.
I really hope that one or two backstory episodes are made in Sea3on.

[DLTN]

I think Chuck built the Roboticizer in SatAM to, but it is only briefly mentioned and not in depth like Archies version.

I made that description of the Roboticizer myself, Im trying to write a sort of "Ultimate" SatAM and thought it would be an interesting take on it. I will probs never finish it though lol. I probably am not the only one who thought of a realistic (sort of) depiction of it, just how I think it would work today.