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[LogiTeeka]

But if there's one advantage in "Sonic as royalty", it would give Sonic more reason to date Princess Sally.

[LaserX5]

Your statements on The Oracle and Bartleby were the very reasons why I wished they had explored them more.

*I thought Bartleby was hilarious; being the bland, sophisticated character that he is. But I would've loved to see Bartleby act as a rival to Antoine in terms of class and romanticism, and they would try desperately to humiliate each other (like Squidward and Squilliam on Spongebob Squarepants).

*The Oracle would've been a better character if he was more mysterious and mystical, similar to Merlin or Yoda. Still, I would prefer him over Nate Morgan or the Ancient Walkers (who were also lackluster characters). Heck, I would've liked him better if he were voiced by Mako Iwamatsu!

*I thought Dingo was a lovable character. Yes, there were times when he acted really stupid; but I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. Plus he and Sleet had some of the wittiest dialog in the whole series:

Sleet: "What are you doing, you oaf?"

Dingo: "She's pretty."

Sleet: "...And you're ugly. Now let's get to work!"

But yes, I did hate the shape-shifting bit. If it were only animals and other creatures, it would've been much better.

* As for Aleena, I'm somewhat mixed. If the episodes had focused more on her side of the story, she would've been a much better character. I liked her name, appearance, and voice; but I disliked her position as queen of Mobius. If she had just been queen of Mobodoon (the city where Sonic and his siblings were born in), it would've made more sense.

As I've said, these characters had potential; but were forgotten or left out.

While I understand what you're trying to say about there 3 characters, I just cannot accept them as part of the Sonic universe.

No Offense, but the character Bartleby to me just doesn't serve much purpose. Ask yourself, what did he do that could helped the Freedom Fighters defeat Robotnik? Basically nothing I hate to say. I mean, he did help them infiltrate the fake wedding between Robotnik and Aleena(I still shudder at the idea of that) so they could save their Mom, but other than that, he hasn't done anything memorable. Yea, he's very good looking and could pass off for a prince or even as part of the upper class, but what good is that in the long run?

As for the idea of him being a rival to Antoine, well, its very interesting to say the least, though I think the fact he's snooty and a jerk really would get on my nerves after awhile. You should know I actually hate Squilliam in the Spongebob show. Other than being rich and a showoff, he's a completely pointless character. But, if I had to put Bartleby in, I suppose he could be a character who's part of the royal upper class, growing up as a potential love interest for Princess Sally, just as Antoine would be as well.

The Oracle of Delphius is the worst of the 3 IMO. He doesn't do anything worthwhile and is a complete waste. I just don't see the need for him in the show at all. In fact, the show could have done just fine without him. Sonic and his Freedom Fighter comrades don't need a Merlin styled person to help them defeat Robotnik. They got by without it in Satam for the most part, so why do they need one now? If someone could actually find a good use for him, well, more power to em.

Yea, I agree Sleet and Dingo's dialog was funny at times. I just got really tired of transformations and stupidity. Should he be pitied? Yea, I'll give you that. I just wish DIC would have made him more of a competent villain instead of being such an idiot all the time.

You know, you oughta write a fanfic about these characters and try and give them more depth personality than DIC ever did. I am curious to how you would set it up.

[LogiTeeka]

I did have an idea for a SatAM/SU crosscover fanfiction, but I discontinued it after I read your Sonic SatAM X series, which I liked better. Keep up the good work!

Anyway, I had several ideas planned for my fanfiction which would’ve expanded some of the characters.

For example, The Oracle of Delphius is revealed to be Naugus’ first apprentice. But after discovering his master’s true dark ambitions, the Oracle warned the king. The king attacked and had Naugus banished. The Oracle was honored for his brave deed and became the next court magician.

Years later, he would warn Aleena of the upcoming danger and serve as the spiritual counselor to the Freedom Fighters; maybe training Tails to become his next apprentice. And when Naugus returns, the Oracle would sacrifice himself to help the Freedom Fighters.

If that doesn’t improve the character, then I’m a monkey’s uncle!

[LaserX5]

I did have an idea for a Satam/SU crossover fanfiction, but I discontinued it after I read your Sonic Satam X series, which I liked better. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate. it. Although, please don't stop writing on my account. You oughta write a few chapters and let people review them.

Anyway, I had several ideas planned for my fanfiction which would’ve expanded some of the characters.

For example, The Oracle of Delphius is revealed to be Naugus’ first apprentice. But after discovering his master’s true dark ambitions, the Oracle warned the king. The king attacked and had Naugus banished. The Oracle was honored for his brave deed and became the next court magician.

Years later, he would warn Aleena of the upcoming danger and serve as the spiritual counselor to the Freedom Fighters; maybe training Tails to become his next apprentice. And when Naugus returns, the Oracle would sacrifice himself to help the Freedom Fighters.

If that doesn’t improve the character, then I’m a monkey’s uncle!

Not bad, not bad at all. Though I am curious, how would the king banish Naugus since he is very powerful?

As for the Oracle training Tails as his apprentice, eh... I'm not too keen on this idea. I just could not see him in a role like that, no offense. But anyway, go ahead and write a chapter sometime. I'm curious to see how you would do it.

[LogiTeeka]

When the king attacked Naugus' lair, his soldiers destroyed everything related to black magic and the forbidden arts. This weakened Naugus, thus allowing the soldiers to arrest him without any danger. When the king had him banished, Naugus swore revenge and planned to regain his powers.

Anyway, who else could the Oracle choose as his apprentice? I thought Tails would be a good choice, as everyone else doesn’t seem qualified for the role.

[LaserX5]

When the king attacked Naugus' lair, his soldiers destroyed everything related to black magic and the forbidden arts. This weakened Naugus, thus allowing the soldiers to arrest him without any danger. When the king had him banished, Naugus swore revenge and planned to regain his powers.

Ok, I'll buy that explanation.

Anyway, who else could the Oracle choose as his apprentice? I thought Tails would be a good choice, as everyone else doesn’t seem qualified for the role.

To be honest, I don't know who would be a good apprentice or if he even needs one. Besides, Tails' talents is best suited as a mechanic and Freedom Fighter.

But anyway, I hope you'll write a fanfic about your story ideas. I'd like to take a look at it.

[LogiTeeka]

Thanks, but I still have a problem. I might have good ideas, but I’m not very good at writing stories.

My first story went well (at first), but after looking over the first couple chapters, I found it to be pretty mish-mashed and somewhat boring. What I admire about your stories is that you manage to keep them basic and, at the same time, original.

But still, I'll try.

[LaserX5]

Thanks, but I still have a problem. I might have good ideas, but I’m not very good at writing stories.

My first story went well (at first), but after looking over the first couple chapters, I found it to be pretty mish-mashed and somewhat boring. What I admire about your stories is that you manage to keep them basic and, at the same time, original.

But still, I'll try.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I appreciate it. While I do try to keep the story original, I'll admit several of my ideas are based off of one of my favorite video game characters and movie series that has intrigued me from the moment I looked into it.

Anyway, don't worry too much about it how to write the story. Just do your best and I'm sure it'll be a good read at least.

[Baz]

But if there's one advantage in "Sonic as royalty", it would give Sonic more reason to date Princess Sally.

Nevar!

I would rather dissolve the monarchy *shakes fist*

[LaserX5]

Nevar!

I would rather dissolve the monarchy *shakes fist*

Agreed. Princesses should date the series hero, not a snobby prince.

[LogiTeeka]

What I meant to say was “being a prince, Sonic would have permission to date the princess”.

Besides, not all princes are snobby; some can be really heroic. Sonic’s only a prince simply because he was born of royal blood. He may not act like a "polite" prince, but that’s because he’s no ordinary prince.

[LaserX5]

What I meant to say was “being a prince, Sonic would have permission to date the princess”.

Besides, not all princes are snobby; some can be really heroic. Sonic’s only a prince simply because he was born of royal blood. He may not act like a "polite" prince, but that’s because he’s no ordinary prince.

True, not all prince's are that way.

Although, Sonic being a prince IMHO is completely pointless, especially since he's much cooler being referred to as the Knight of the Wind.

[LogiTeeka]

Even though most of SU suffered from bad elements, there were (at times) really good episodes with good plotlines (ignoring the music videos, magical instruments, ect.).

To me, the best episodes in the entire series were the ones written by Ben Hurst, Pat Allee, Len Janson, and the Edens brothers. Occasionally, there were other good episodes, like:

* The Price of Freedom
* Underground Masquerade
* Bartleby the Prisoner
* The Art of Destruction

What episodes did you like? And to be creative, what would you change in certain episodes?

[LaserX5]

Even though most of SU suffered from bad elements, there were (at times) really good episodes with good plotlines (ignoring the music videos, magical instruments, ect.).

To me, the best episodes in the entire series were the ones written by Ben Hurst, Pat Allee, Len Janson, and the Edens brothers. Occasionally, there were other good episodes, like:

* The Price of Freedom
* Underground Masquerade
* Bartleby the Prisoner
* The Art of Destruction

What episodes did you like? And to be creative, what would you change in certain episodes?

I did like the first 3 episodes a bit, as well the episode the price for freedom to a certain extent.

The episodes with Knuckles in it were decent as well. To be honest, I didn't watch every episode of the show. One reason I didn't was because I couldn't stand the musical nonsense after awhile. It just got really ridiculous.

What would I change about the episodes you ask? First of all, I would have changed the format of the first episode where instead of showing Aleena raising her 3 kids in a palace, I'd shown Jules and Bernadette raising the 3 children in their home during the Great War.

And instead of showing them being dropped off to be raised by strangers, I'd have the parents bring the kids to Knothole to be kept safe from Robotnik during his invasion. I'd also include Cyrus and Tails as part of the Knothole residents as well.

As for the other episodes, well... that'd be tougher to decipher since the first episode changes would have wiped out the other episodes synopsis completely.

But that's just me.

I'd like to hear what you and the rest on this site would have done differently about SU.

[LogiTeeka]

Your idea isn’t bad at all. But if I were to change a certain episode (besides the obvious removal of music videos, magical instruments, ect.), it would probably be the 2nd and 3rd episodes. My rewritten 2nd episode is probably the most changed:

Sonic is already reunited with his siblings. After taking down a SWAT Bot factory (seen in the first episode), Sonic takes shelter with his siblings in their uncle’s hidden base in Robotropolis. As they rest, the Oracle of Delphius appears before them (for the first time) and tells them that he was the one who warned their parents of Robotnik’s coup. He tells them that it’s time to begin their training and hands them a mysterious map before he disappears.

Meantime, Snively grows desperate to destroy the hedgehogs and hires Sleet and Dingo to hunt them down. They uncover the hedgehogs’ hidden base, but Sonic, Manic, Sonia, and Uncle Chuck manage to escape on time. However, Sleet finds the remaining pieces of the Oracle’s map.

Back at Knothole, Uncle Chuck and Sonia use their “photographic memory” to remember the Oracle’s map and travel to Westlock where the Oracle meets up with them to begin their training. But as they progress, they argue over whose better. The Oracle takes them to the Land of the Clouds and gives them their first test. They quickly fail in the process and the Oracle tells them to focus their powers and work in harmony.

Meanwhile, Snively recognizes the map’s location as part of the Great Forest and launches a full invasion armed with a deadly new chemical. But with help from Knothole and the trees of Westlock, Sonic and his siblings unite their powers to take down the oncoming invasion and Sleet and Dingo flee back to Robotropolis.

Having learned their lesson, Sonic, Manic, and Sonia now have the courage to confront and overcome each other’s weaknesses. Meanwhile, as Snively prepares to robotizice Sleet for his failure, Sleet gives Snively some surveillance footage of the hedgehogs undergoing the Oracle’s training. Still seeing some potential with the bounty hunter, Snively rehires Sleet to hunt down the Oracle.

To be continued...

What did you think?

[LaserX5]

Your idea isn’t bad at all. But if I were to change a certain episode (besides the obvious removal of music videos, magical instruments, ect.), it would probably be the 2nd and 3rd episodes. My rewritten 2nd episode is probably the most changed:

Sonic is already reunited with his siblings. After taking down a SWAT Bot factory (seen in the first episode), Sonic takes shelter with his siblings in their uncle’s hidden base in Robotropolis. As they rest, the Oracle of Delphius appears before them (for the first time) and tells them that he was the one who warned their parents of Robotnik’s coup. He tells them that it’s time to begin their training and hands them a mysterious map before he disappears.

Meantime, Snively grows desperate to destroy the hedgehogs and hires Sleet and Dingo to hunt them down. They uncover the hedgehogs’ hidden base, but Sonic, Manic, Sonia, and Uncle Chuck manage to escape on time. However, Sleet finds the remaining pieces of the Oracle’s map.

Back at Knothole, Uncle Chuck and Sonia use their “photographic memory” to remember the Oracle’s map and travel to Westlock where the Oracle meets up with them to begin their training. But as they progress, they argue over whose better. The Oracle takes them to the Land of the Clouds and gives them their first test. They quickly fail in the presses and the Oracle tells them to focus their powers and work in harmony.

Meanwhile, Snively recognizes the map’s location as part of the Great Forest and launches a full invasion armed with a deadly new chemical. But with help from Knothole and the trees of Westlock, Sonic and his siblings unite their powers to take down the oncoming invasion and Sleet and Dingo flee back to Robotropolis.

Having learned their lesson, Sonic, Manic, and Sonia now have the courage to confront and overcome each other’s weaknesses. Meanwhile, as Snively prepares to roboticize Sleet for his failure, Sleet gives Snively some surveillance footage of the hedgehogs undergoing the Oracle’s training. Still seeing some potential with the bounty hunter, Snively rehires Sleet to hunt down the Oracle.

To be continued...

What did you think?

Not a bad idea either. Although I am curious. Why is Snively mentioned more in the episode than Robotnik.

[LogiTeeka]

The series takes place after SatAM, during Snively's coup of Robotropolis (similar to your series).

Speaking of changes, I also have several ideas for making some characters more memorable:

* Instead of portraying Dingo as a dimwitted idiot, why not render him more as a naïve and clumsy, inexperienced minion who Sleet is required to work with. And at times, Dingo can have a few smart moments.

* Instead of being Sonia’s fiancé, Bartleby is Mindy LaTour’s boyfriend who is ordered by Snively to spy on her father’s operations. But when the Freedom Fighters expose the conspiracy, Mindy is heartbroken and joins the resistance. As the series continues, Bartleby becomes a neutral character who works for the resistance only to regain Mindy’s broken heart.

[LaserX5]

The series takes place after SatAM, during Snively's coup of Robotropolis (similar to your series).

Speaking of changes, I also have several ideas for making some characters more memorable:

* Instead of portraying Dingo as a dimwitted idiot, why not render him more as a naïve and clumsy, inexperienced minion who Sleet is required to work with. And at times, Dingo can have a few smart moments.

* Instead of being Sonia’s fiancé, Bartleby is Mindy LaTour’s boyfriend who is ordered by Snively to spy on her father’s operations. But when the Freedom Fighters expose the conspiracy, Mindy is heartbroken and joins the resistance. As the series continues, Bartleby becomes a neutral character who works for the resistance only to regain Mindy’s broken heart.

Sounds like pretty good ideas to me.

The only thing I still wonder though is what contributions Mindy could bring as part of the Freedom Fighters.

[LogiTeeka]

Mindy and her father would probably serve as the Freedom Fighters' connection to Mobius' aristocrats. Plus Mindy and Bartleby's contribution could be a battle of trusting their love and choosing which life to live; fighting for freedom or living the high life.

[LaserX5]

Mindy and her father would probably serve as the Freedom Fighters' connection to Mobius' aristocrats. Plus Mindy and Bartleby's contribution could be a battle of trusting their love and choosing which life to live; fighting for freedom or living the high life.

Sounds good to me.