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[FreakyFilmFan4ever]

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Or a good spin dash.

It's like the recent trend of giving Sonic a sword or Shadow a gun. WHY do they need weapons? They ARE the weapons.

Well put.

[furrykef]

Sega and Ken Penders both did him wrong when he tried to get a 3rd Season of Sonic Satam going again.

Is there anybody Ken Penders hasn't been a douche to?

[RedAuthar]

Nintendo. When he screws up with Sonic, Nintendo comes out happy.

[furrykef]

Regardless, I think if Ken and I ever cross paths, I think I'm gonna maintain my distance. *shudder*

[LaserX5]

<!--quoteo(post=45955:date=Jan 12 2011, 11:44 AM:name=Baz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Baz @ Jan 12 2011, 11:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=45955"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It does look better on Jules but I'd rather he didn't have it. My mind gets really technical with this stuff; does Sonic then carry the genetic disposition for random sprouts of brown hair? Maybe I'm over thinking it but being an artist, I am SO fastidious when it comes to character design.

Yeah, even if they wanted to make Bernie's hair a different colour, they could go with Sonia's type of monochrome colour scheme. Looks more cohesive than clashing yellow and purple.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Agreed. Yellow and purple just don't go together. Although, I don't know what color would go good with purple unfortunately

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I read the article and wow . . .

How utterly cutthroat and sad. Really <b>SAD</b>.

It leaves a sobering message to be careful who you work with.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Indeed. The sad thing is, Ben probably didn't even know Ken would backstab him in the first place until the damage was done.

<!--quoteo(post=45961:date=Jan 12 2011, 01:17 PM:name=furrykef)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furrykef @ Jan 12 2011, 01:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=45961"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there anybody Ken Penders <i>hasn't</i> been a douche to? <img src="http://sonicsatam.co...R#>/tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Who knows?

[chalcara]

I actually *liked* Sonic Underground alot - but it might be because the German voice-actors were surprisingly good and full of life - and Sonia was actually voiced by a woman. Manic was downright cute. And Sonia frequently the most resonable of the three.

Guess it goes to show how much difference fitting voiceacting and dialogue makes.

[furrykef]

A dub that's better than the original? Madness! (Blasphemy! Sparta?)

[Bakuda]

Hmm...I'm going to have to check that it. It might be interesting in German.

[LaserX5]

I actually *liked* Sonic Underground alot - but it might be because the German voice-actors were surprisingly good and full of life - and Sonia was actually voiced by a woman. Manic was downright cute. And Sonia frequently the most resonable of the three.

Guess it goes to show how much difference fitting voiceacting and dialogue makes.

If that is indeed true, DIC should be severely shamed for its cheapskate ways.

[LogiTeeka]

I might be new here, but I couldn't help but read this post on Sonic Underground.

SU is one of my all-time favorite TV shows, but yes, it's nowhere near as good as SatAM. Plus, does suffer from some of its bad traits and themes. But what I noticed is that nobody gives the show credit for its good elements.

Why is that? I know several good elements from the show that everybody else seems to glance over.

[LaserX5]

But what I noticed is that nobody gives the show credit for its good elements.

Why is that? I know several good elements from the show that everybody else seems to glance over.

Yes, there were some redeeming qualities about the show. I won't deny that.

Giving Sonic siblings was one thing I liked, although their personality and roles need alot of changes since being royalty did not suit them whatsoever. Sleet was another character I liked in the show as well.

The updated Swatbots weren't too bad either, though I prefer they be black instead of red.

I even liked some of the weapons they brought in, such as the weapon that binds you with electronic shackles and the updated mega muck gun. I even liked the hoverboard Manic constantly rode on.

But other than that unfortunately, this show was a huge disappointment. Poor plot, forgettable characters, ripping off bits of Satam, ear splitting songs, stupid musical medallions. Well, you get the idea.

Actually, I kinda wished they would have merged the 2 shows together, keeping the best elements of each one, thus making an even better Satam show.

[LogiTeeka]

I agree with your opinion, but what I still don't get is why people overlook the good elements and forget about them completely.

Anyway, but when you were referring to "forgettable characters", what characters did you have in mind? I agree that some of the characters were forgettable, but some were at least decent. I loved Dingo (despite his ugly appearance and creepy crush on Sonia, he was a lovable bad guy!) I also liked Cyrus, being the hot-headed character of the group.

There were even characters that made single appearances in certain episodes that had potential, but were forgotten or replaced. Best examples were Bartleby, Mindy LaTour, Captain Squeege, Ferrell, and The Oracle of Delphius. Even Knuckles had some potential.

If the series had continued, it would've been nice to explore some of these characters.

[John Roberts]

I kind of liked the Queen's character arc. I never did get a chance to finish the entire series though so I can't really comment on how it resolved (or didn't resolve), but I did start to enjoy the later episodes of SU. It was lacking that same Robotnik/Sonic dynamic that I loved about SatAM, and even AoSTH. And the less said about those godawful songs, and whoever the fuck it was that voiced Uncle Chuck in the first episode, the better.

The show was not without its charms, I must say. It wasn't without its fucking faults either. Seriously, the Uncle Chuck voice actor should have been taken outside of the studio and whipped - followed quickly by the silly bastard who hired him.

[chalcara]

I kind of liked the Queen's character arc. I never did get a chance to finish the entire series though so I can't really comment on how it resolved (or didn't resolve), but I did start to enjoy the later episodes of SU. It was lacking that same Robotnik/Sonic dynamic that I loved about SatAM, and even AoSTH. And the less said about those godawful songs, and whoever the fuck it was that voiced Uncle Chuck in the first episode, the better.

The show was not without its charms, I must say. It wasn't without its fucking faults either. Seriously, the Uncle Chuck voice actor should have been taken outside of the studio and whipped - followed quickly by the silly bastard who hired him.

The queen's character arc didn't get resolved as far as I know (besides the "all four will rule together after botnik's is gone" decision), but Robotnik DID get killed in the last episode by Sonic, Sonia and Manic by flying hovercrafts into his command tower. We even got a nice shot of his face panicking.

Yeah... let's just say there's a reason that show isn't shown these days...

[Morgan]

Whoa, now there's a show I barely remember. I remember SU made me nostalgic for SatAM. But I haven't seen an SU ep even longer than SatAM.

[LogiTeeka]

The voice actor who did Uncle Chuck in SU was Frank Welker, one of the most famous voice artists ever.

But despite that, he definitely wasn't the right choice for Uncle Chuck. Like Gary Chalk as Robotnik in SU, Welker isn't a bad voice actor; he was just given the wrong character role. In fact, Frank Welker did several voices in SatAM as well, including the Kraken in “Sub-Sonic” and the SWAT-Bots in the pilot episode, “Heads or Tails”.

[Baz]

Episode 23

Probably my favourite episode =D I was a little startled that it actually made me tear up (just for a moment).

Couple disturbing elements like flying limbs (You'll see what I mean).

[LaserX5]

I agree with your opinion, but what I still don't get is why people overlook the good elements and forget about them completely.

My guess is because DIC just basically gave a slap in the face to all fans of the Satam show. Instead of continuing it, they chose the way they would give them more profits. I mean, its blatantly obvious this show was done for the money.

Anyway, but when you were referring to "forgettable characters", what characters did you have in mind? I agree that some of the characters were forgettable, but some were at least decent. I loved Dingo (despite his ugly appearance and creepy crush on Sonia, he was a lovable bad guy!) I also liked Cyrus, being the hot-headed character of the group.

There were even characters that made single appearances in certain episodes that had potential, but were forgotten or replaced. Best examples were Bartleby, Mindy LaTour, Captain Squeege, Ferrell, and The Oracle of Delphius. Even Knuckles had some potential.

IMHO, the forgettable characters are the following.

1. Oracle of Delphius. That character to me was just a complete waste. He really didn't do anything worthwhile. Plus, that scene where he tells Robotnik his time of ruling the world is on borrowed time really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, who does that? That's not even a logical thing to do. He might as well have taken Robotnik out himself.

2. Dingo. This character to me was really stupid. I'm not against the idea of having a stupid henchmen, but this was over the top for me. Plus, I really hated all those transformations of his. What was the point? I mean, if he really could transform that much, why not transform into a giant monster and then squash the Resistance? Makes as much sense.

3. Bartleby. This guy is clearly an Antoine rip off. Not saying I hated this character completely, but he was mostly snobby, useless and didn't contribute much to the cause at all. Also, what did Sonia see in him? He's not exactly what I would call boyfriend material, unless she likes shallow losers.

4. Queen Aleena. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't hate this character entirely, but she really was getting annoying after awhile. I mean, every episode would have a narration of her voice actress. Then, to make things even more stupid, she would inadvertently show up and help out her children every now and then, but not even try to reunite with them. Why? Why toy with their hearts? She knew they were looking for her, and yet she constantly played mind games. "Oh, I"m sorry, my children, but I cannot reveal myself to you until the producers rake in all the profits of the songs you've sung."

Yea, I know, that's a huge exaggeration, but she might as well have said that. There was absolutely no reason for this at all.

As for the rest.... Well, some were decent, to ok. Of course I liked Knuckles since he's one of the official Sega characters. I did like Cyrus too since it was nice to see a Mobian Lion for a change. Why Mobius doesn't have more of them is beyond me. They'd make excellent Freedom Fighters. Uncle Chuck sadly was not even half the character he was from Satam. He was more like a filler. He didn't contribute to much, and was basically written out of the story after the first 3 episodes. DIC would have been better off not even bringing him here in the first place. Why tarnish this likable character?

Sonia and Ferrel's foster parents unfortunately didn't serve much other than as a guardian. Mindy Latour was cute, but they never even brought her back to be in another episode. Why implicate she was going to join the resistance and then snuff her out entirely? It makes no sense. Stripes wasn't too bad either, though I don't understand why a tiger would hit on a hedgehog. Not saying it couldn't work, but I think their species differences would make it a bit too awkward.

Anyway, the rest I didn't mention would also be included in the forgettable category. I mean, they don't even have 25% of the likability of the Satam Freedom Fighters. I remember just about every character in the Satam show, yet not that many here. Why? Because while the Satam show took its time to make redeemable characters, SU did not. But that's just my opinion. If some others like the characters I don't, that's fine. They're entitled to their likes and dislikes.

If the series had continued, it would've been nice to explore some of these characters.

If they had been developed properly, maybe.

[LogiTeeka]

Your statements on The Oracle and Bartleby were the very reasons why I wished they had explored them more.

*I thought Bartleby was hilarious; being the bland, sophisticated character that he is. But I would've loved to see Bartleby act as a rival to Antoine in terms of class and romanticism, and they would try desperately to humiliate each other (like Squidward and Squilliam on Spongebob Squarepants).

*The Oracle would've been a better character if he was more mysterious and mystical, similar to Merlin or Yoda. Still, I would prefer him over Nate Morgan or the Ancient Walkers (who were also lackluster characters). Heck, I would've liked him better if he were voiced by Mako Iwamatsu!

*I thought Dingo was a lovable character. Yes, there were times when he acted really stupid; but I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. Plus he and Sleet had some of the wittiest dialog in the whole series:

Sleet: "What are you doing, you oaf?"

Dingo: "She's pretty."

Sleet: "...And you're ugly. Now let's get to work!"

But yes, I did hate the shape-shifting bit. If it were only animals and other creatures, it would've been much better.

* As for Aleena, I'm somewhat mixed. If the episodes had focused more on her side of the story, she would've been a much better character. I liked her name, appearance, and voice; but I disliked her position as queen of Mobius. If she had just been queen of Mobodoon (the city where Sonic and his siblings were born in), it would've made more sense.

As I've said, these characters had potential; but were forgotten or left out.

[Baz]

Heheh, Antoine vs. Bartleby . . . All I see is a slap fight

Yes! I remember that dialogue between Sleet and Dingo. That gave me some chuckles there.

And Aleena in her own right is a nice and graceful character. But since I hate the "Sonic as Royalty" plot with a bold passion, it would take some role change for me to accept her.