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[DLTN]

Thanks Natorat, im glad im not the only one who thinks a move in that direction wouldnt be all bad.
If i had the artistic ability, i would have done a comic of this myself, seeing as its unlikely to ever get made. I suppose i could write my ideas down and post them on an appropriate forum...

[salamander]

I think the only reason I'd like to see a return to where SATAM left off is so I could tell what the hell is going on anymore. The comic just seems to bounce around between storylines and villains and new characters, and the characterization is inconsistent and indistinct.
Satam was simple but effective: The freedom fighters are fighting to take back their home from Robotnik. The characters have clear and distinct personalities. You get to know them and how they get along with each other, you relate to them and want them to succeed. There's a distinct and effective villain. You see the damage Robotnik has done to them in major ways like Bunnie being half robot, Uncle Chuck getting Roboticized, Sally's father missing, etc, and you see how dangerous and powerful he is by how the freedom fighters have to sneak around all the time and try to take him down with sabotage and guerrilla tactics. There's more going on underneath the surface, but it stays true to its premise and continuity.

I'm missing that clear, compelling story and atmosphere that draws me in and keeps me interested. Does it have to be SATAM only? No. The Knuckles series was probably the best Archie has ever published, and it had nothing to do with SATAM. It had an interesting story and compelling characters all on its own. I wouldn't blame it on being aimed at kids, either. You don't have to be Pixar to make great kid's media, you can find tons of great artwork, characters and stories in books and animation intended for children.

As far as I'm concerned the comic right now is just dull and forgettable. Until they bring some life back into it I'm just plain not interested.

[Baz]

And seriously, can anyone imagine Sonic as a king?

We will never speak of that again.

[LaserX5]

We will never speak of that again.

To be honest, I'm not very fond of that idea myself, since he's not royalty.

But since he can't play the role as hero forever, I don't see what other job he could have, especially since he's going to be married Sally, who will be Queen of Mobius someday.

But, that's my opinion. If someone can think of a better role for him in his old age, I'm all ears.

[LibbyLishly]

I never read any of the comics so in my mind those things never even happened. If you think about it, take out the last minute of the series and the story actually had a decent ending. But the comics...yeah...I was never interested in reading them.

Ditto.

Especially when i started reading the Mobius Wiki and everything else related to the comics; at first i was interested and intrigued, and then as i read more and more about what they'd done with some of my favorite characters i became and still am still utterly bewildered at the sheer hodgepodge of random people who are unnecessarily paired with canon characters. And what the heck did they do with Amy's story?!

I guess the main things that ticked me off really were the pairings. Wacky plots i can handle because you can pretty much just ignore them in a character-driven story. But when you start monkeying around with the characters themselves... the total immaturity they threw at Sally, the weird Bunnie/Antoine pairing that i keep going on about (and i agree with the assesment that she really seemed to lose her own personailty the deepr that relationship went), and who the heck is this Julie-Su creep, anyway? Ick. Ick. Ick.

So... if you like and read Archie... that's okay. Really, it is. It's part of the greater Sonic universe now, just like every other fan fiction and fan art out there. Just don't ask me to like them myself, or even remotely approve of them. They're just a glorified fan fiction, and can be effectively ignored and lambasted by those of us who will not accept that version of Mobius.

[LaserX5]

Well said. In a way, I think the comics should be treated as fan fiction, especially since the writers have really butchered the Satam series and alot of the characters too I might add.

While I love some of the ideas this comic came up, as well as new characters such as Julie-Su, Fiona Fox, Mina, Scourge, the Mobian form of Nicole, Sonic's parents, etc... they haven't been utilized correctly by the current writers, which is a real shame. But, then again, what do we expect when it's produced by the same company that gives us the endless love drama nonsense of Archie and his pals?

I'm just curious, what do you have against Julie-Su? She's not that bad of a character. True, I find the whole 3rd cousin thing very creepy, but other than that and the fact she doesn't wear anything to cover her bottom, she's a really cool character IMO.

And yes, I agree Bunnie lost alot of what made her such an amazing gal in Satam when she got into a deeper relationship with Antoine. Not against their relationship entirely, but I wish it was Ant who became more like Bunnie instead of Bunnie becoming more like Antoine.

Anyway, since Sega is so determined to taint the comic with their Sonic X crap, I think its best if we all ignored it for the most part because it has indeed lost so much what made it such a cool series in issues past.

[PuffinGrandeur]

Archie comics are no more fanfiction than SataM itself.

[LaserX5]

Archie comics are no more fanfiction than Satam itself.

While that is true to a certain extent, at least Satam is well grounded, consistent and is better written.

Archie's on the other hand is very inconsistent, has way too many useless characters, has had several of its main characters personalities change for the worse, and then on top of that went away from its roots. Oh, and let's not forget the endless and pointless love dramas.

But yea, no point in complaining about it I suppose. Sega's gonna do what they want regardless of the fan's protests.

[PuffinGrandeur]

The roots argument is arguably the worst of the bunch. Not only did the comic take more influences than just SataM since the beginning (using many of Sega's concepts and AoStH's tone,) the change to more serious stories closer regarding SataM was ITSELF a major departure from the original issues and concept. To go back to the comic's roots would be to become a cartoon book, not a drama. Unless of course you're talking about source material, in which case SataM was actually WORSE about being true to its roots.

It's quite alright to dislike the book, and there's no denying it has been hit over the years by some inconsistent storytelling and some lower quality stories, due to the collaborative nature of comic book writing. But that doesn't make it fanfiction by ANY stretch.

[henryiii]

And the idea that the comic's roots aren't SATAM, but it's source(what ever that means)is not a good argument, Ken Penders said on his board flat out(which you were there Puffin, so I'm guessing you're ignorant or just don't like to accept things that go into your world view) that the idea for the comic was SATAM and that he wanted it to be a companion series to the series and that if it was just the games, it would never sale, because video games comic just don't last long and the SATAm fanbase is and was the reason the comic is still going.

The reason for the tonal difference, is that they only had AOSTH to go on before SATAM actually aired.

Many of the characters and places events names in the comic from Hearts SATAM bible

Besides, it's down right idiotic to say the comic doesn't have it's roots in SATAM or the people shouldn't relate the two, WHEN THIS COMIC IS THE ONLY THING LEFT IN THE FRANCHISE WITH THOSE CHARACTERS AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT HAD THEM IN IT IN A REGULR FASHION!1 really am sick of that retarded argument being used.

[LaserX5]

Well said, henry viii

Although, Puffin does have a point with the fact the comic from the very beginning seemed to be more AOSTH styled then the actual Satam cartoon.

Even so, at least the comic was a better read in those days than most of the nonsense we see today.

[PuffinGrandeur]

And the idea that the comic's roots aren't SATAM, but it's source(what ever that means)is not a good argument, Ken Penders said on his board flat out(which you were there Puffin, so I'm guessing you're ignorant or just don't like to accept things that go into your world view) that the idea for the comic was SATAM and that he wanted it to be a companion series to the series and that if it was just the games, it would never sale, because video games comic just don't last long and the SATAm fanbase is and was the reason the comic is still going.

Many of the characters and places events names in the comic from Hearts SATAM bible

Besides, it's down right idiotic to say the comic doesn't have it's roots in SATAM or the people shouldn't relate the two, WHEN THIS COMIC IS THE ONLY THING LEFT IN THE FRANCHISE WITH THOSE CHARACTERS AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT HAD THEM IN IT IN A REGULR FASHION!1 really am sick of that retarded argument being used.

1. Ken wasn't the first writer on the book, nor was he the only one. In fact, you can see in my post where I noted that the move to become more like SataM was ITSELF A DEPARTURE FROM THE ROOTS OF THE BOOK.
2. Many of the characters and places are taken from SataM, yes. Like the Chaos Emeralds, or Knuckles the Echidna, the Badniks, Evil Sonic, Casino Night Zone (are you beginning to see my point here?) It certainly took a lot from SataM, but in no way did it take solely from SataM. It is an adaptation of the source material of Sonic the Hedgehog, just like SataM itself was.
3. Having SataM things in the book while SataM is dead doesn't make its roots any more SataM's then having Mighty or Nack the Weasel make its roots Classic Genesis Era Sonic. That's simply a silly argument to have.

But this is majorly distracting from the real point: it is in no way fanfiction, and is just as official and canon as all the OTHER official adaptations of Sonic the Hedgehog. Disliking it is one thing, but that doesn't invalidate it as part of the franchise.

[henryiii]

1. Ken wasn't the first writer on the book, nor was he the only one. In fact, you can see in my post where I noted that the move to become more like SataM was ITSELF A DEPARTURE FROM THE ROOTS OF THE BOOK.

it was from day one to be part of the marketing of SATAM and SEGA was at one time considering adding the show as part of the game canon universe as a whole and You must be ignoring me when I said that they only had AOSth when working on the comic since the show hadn't officially come out yet and so they only had a guideline for the characters and events, And so what if Penders is only a writer, it was his idea to make the series part of the SATAm canon that the comic became a success.

2. Many of the characters and places are taken from SataM, yes. Like the Chaos Emeralds, or Knuckles the Echidna, the Badniks, Evil Sonic, Casino Night Zone (are you beginning to see my point here?) It certainly took a lot from SataM, but in no way did it take solely from SataM. It is an adaptation of the source material of Sonic the Hedgehog, just like SataM itself was.

Again, look around SMS and you'll find plenty of evidence that SATAM was at one time part of the overall canon and so these additions were part and going to be part of a bigger thing.

3. Having SataM things in the book while SataM is dead doesn't make its roots any more SataM's then having Mighty or Nack the Weasel make its roots Classic Genesis Era Sonic. That's simply a silly argument to have

This is highly ignorant, when thousand of fans read the book as a poor supplement to SATAM and an insult to Ian's very readership. HOW can it's roots not be SATAM, when you even have the freedom fighters as the main cast from day one to the present?

PeinguinGOd/anarticdeity/puffingraduar, you are just just going to lose here arguing a point of view that Ian and his posses spout out, that in a way offends pretty much every on this board and is one of the reason this comic is dying

EDIT: the fact that the comic doesn't know what it wants to be, it might as well be fanfiction if the entire thing is that fucked up.

[PuffinGrandeur]

It was from day one to be part of the marketing of SATAM and SEGA was at one time considering adding the show as part of the game canon universe as a whole and You must be ignoring me when I said that they only had AOSth when working on the comic since the show hadn't officially come out yet and so they only had a guideline for the characters and events, And so what if Penders is only a writer, it was his idea to make the series part of the SATAm canon that the comic became a success.

And you're ignoring that they had just as much SegaSonic influence as SataM, and that the AoStH influence never fully went away. They used some of the same guidelines as SataM AS WELL AS OTHER INFLUENCES while adapting Sonic the Hedgehog, but the book was clearly its own product until LATER ON Penders, who was not the creator of the book, decided to CHANGE IT FROM ITS ROOTS into what you like.

Again, look around SMS and you'll find plenty of evidence that SATAM was at one time part of the overall canon and so these additions were part and going to be part of a bigger thing.

Wow, that... doesn't invalidate what I said at all. Did I say SataM was never part of this? No. No, I did not. There's been a lot of things here that invalidate easy pretend arguments I never actually stated, haven't there? But trying to be SataM is still not the comic's roots. Just a portion of a much BIGGER different product, as you just said.

This is highly ignorant, when thousand of fans read the book as a poor supplement to SATAM and an insult to Ian's very readership. HOW can it's roots not be SATAM, when you even have the freedom fighters as the main cast from day one to the present?

Lots of readers read it for the SegaSonic characters, or for the shipping, or for some ancillary characters, or for the echidnas. Doesn't make it the roots, not even with Freedom Fighter main characters (which were vastly expanded to include original characters and SegaSonic characters, and had their own interpretations of said characters.)

It's just so cute how you think you can ignore me and condescend to me simply because you think I'm a sheeple spouting out the blasphemy gospel of your devil man Flynn. I couldn't possibly be arguing rationally, or of my own accord. That is simply NOT POSSIBLE. I am an ignorant plebian, and that is that.

Geez, I need to be more concise. Maybe that's why I keep getting misinterpreted.

[LaserX5]

The fact that the comic doesn't know what it wants to be, it might as well be fanfiction if the entire thing is that fucked up.

Well, if it didn't have so many different writers putting their own spin on it during its course, the comic probably wouldn't be the mess it is today.

Then again, Sega would have done that eventually anyway, as they're determined to shove the Sonic X garbage down the fan's throats whether they like it or not.

I so would love to see Sega sell their company to someone who ACTUALLY CARES about Sonic and the series he represents.

[Metallou]

I so would love to see Sega sell their company to someone who ACTUALLY CARES about Sonic and the series he represents.

maybe?

[LaserX5]

maybe?

Why not?

I don't see how they could possibly do any worse than Sega at this moment.

[SEGAMew]

So like, the Sonic X comic ended two years ago, I don''t see why we're acting like SEGA is forcing Archie to shove it down our throats. The most mention it gets nowadays is in Off Panel.

[PuffinGrandeur]

I don't see how they could possibly do any worse than Sega at this moment.

Remember, that's what they said about Bioware.

[LaserX5]

Remember, that's what they said about Bioware.

Well, Sega helped make that game.

I was talking about a company actually making a Sonic game without any meddling from Sega.