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@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 11:25 AM)

Also I still have to figure out how to set up our e-mail accounts on the new host.

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 08:19 AM)

As soon as I figure out how to restore it. Sorry, I know I said it'd be done by now, but I didn't expect to have to put up with this DNS crap and other issues that popped up.

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

So when's the black theme coming back??

@  Uncle Ben : (24 July 2015 - 07:56 AM)

"Should"

@  furrykef : (24 July 2015 - 07:27 AM)

That DNS took longer to propagate properly than I thought it would. *Now* we should be back for good, though.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:48 PM)

Or it might be because Bluehost *finally* got around to that server wipe (one week after we'd asked for it) and that wiped out our DNS settings. I'm not sure which and I don't really care. In any case, we've severed our last ties with Bluehost, so this will not happen again.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 08:08 PM)

Looks like Bluehost yanked our DNS since our hosting account expired. That's why the site went down a while ago. But as you can see, it's fixed now.

@  Misk : (23 July 2015 - 04:55 PM)

No, they do not.

@  furrykef : (23 July 2015 - 04:27 AM)

The goggles do nothing?

@  Misk : (22 July 2015 - 05:50 PM)

My eyes.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 12:24 PM)

Looks like forum uploads might have been broken since last night. That should be fixed now too.

@  furrykef : (22 July 2015 - 01:33 AM)

Heh, whoops! Server went down for a few mins when I borked the config. Looks like it's back up now.

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 09:09 PM)

It looked like a napkin

@  ILOVEVHS : (21 July 2015 - 09:04 PM)

Fan-fuckin-tastic.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:25 PM)

As for the beaver picture while the forum was down, I think Tim drew it. On a napkin.

@  furrykef : (21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM)

No kiddin' about that "Finally!", Shadow. I am *so mad* at Bluehost for never responding to our support ticket. I submitted it early Friday morning and they *still* haven't answered it!

@  Uncle Ben : (21 July 2015 - 06:37 PM)

Maybe he did that himself

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:25 PM)

Say, who made the cute picture of Beaver Chief?

@  Shadow : (21 July 2015 - 05:24 PM)

Finally!

@  RedMenace : (21 July 2015 - 05:02 PM)

Woooo! The site's back up! Three cheers for Kef!


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#21 Ratty Randnums

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Her opposing firearms under civilian use, abortion, homosexuality, and drugs completely sucks!

Finally we can agree on something.

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I'd personally like to see some sort of proof of your second 'fact' about Sarah Palin'. Its like the whole world is beating up on this person when they don't even get their facts straight.

I assume you mean what she represents? If so your sarcastic list above supports it. (If you mean about the helicopter hunting http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/ )
And just for the record, I'm bisexual. I am attracted to other men and whether Palin and her supporters "oppose" that or not it's none of their damn business.
You want to talk about "beating up on" someone.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:30 PM

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She wondered how much of Russia she governed


blink.gif What? I haven't heard that one yet, just that she didn't know where the fuck Canada was.

FF4e was just being a bit hyperbolic there. She allegedly implied that she knew something about dealing with Russia 'cause could see Russia from her house. That was actually from an SNL parody of her, though.


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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:33 PM

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FF4e was just being a bit hyperbolic there. She allegedly implied that she knew something about dealing with Russia 'cause could see Russia from her house. That was actually from an SNL parody of her, though.


Ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up then. smile.gif

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Ratty Randnums @ Dec 13 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Her opposing firearms under civilian use, abortion, homosexuality, and drugs completely sucks!

Finally we can agree on something.

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I'd personally like to see some sort of proof of your second 'fact' about Sarah Palin'. Its like the whole world is beating up on this person when they don't even get their facts straight.

I assume you mean what she represents? If so your sarcastic list above supports it. (If you mean about the helicopter hunting http://www.slate.com/id/2199140/ )
And just for the record, I'm bisexual. I am attracted to other men and whether Palin and her supporters "oppose" that or not it's none of their damn business.
You want to talk about "beating up on" someone.


Personally, I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species. Similar to the Bear hunt that occurred not too long ago, these are guys who will maul you to death if you get on their bad side. The less we come across, the better. And no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong. I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong. I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.

Hah... Seriously man you and me we're fuckin' done professionally.

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species.

Is that why you don't care about people either? Sorry that's not fair- is that why you don't care about people who aren't like you either?
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh yeah. How could I forget? Her opposing firearms under civilian use, abortion, homosexuality, and drugs completely sucks!


Well, I'm not sure about the firearms - I'm not sure what my policy on that would be, because I don't know most of the facts.

Abortion, however; I feel this should very much be the mother's choice. Why should it not be? Whether you are for, or against, abortion, surely you can see where the mother is coming from if she says, 'I made a mistake and wish I could take it back'. When you're faced with the fallout of a mistake which could change the course of the rest of your life, of course you want the choice.

And please tell me why to practise active homosexuality (or not) is not the right, and the choice, of the individual? Really, why should the right to be actively gay not be a right?

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong.


That's strange, because many people seem perfectly okay with homosexuality. And where are you getting the idea from that it is objectively wrong? Or is that just your opinion, Inhibitor?

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I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.


*sits back and watches Ratty put across his case* I think, Inhibitor, you'll find that Ratty and other bisexuals, along with homosexuals, know their minds as well as anybody else.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species. Similar to the Bear hunt that occurred not too long ago, these are guys who will maul you to death if you get on their bad side. The less we come across, the better. And no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong. I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.

Dude, I don't quite agree with or understand homosexuality myself, but even I know it's not quite as simple as being "confused" or "not confused". Nor it is really a matter of choice. People don't contemplate suicide over a simple matter of confusion or choice. I believe homosexuality runs a little stronger than that, even as strong as heterosexual desires.

I think I should stop there before spiraling into a completely different topic.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:42 PM

...........................


Humans have a brain and common sense, mammals don't. They just go by instinct and continue their work. Us humans know killing or stealing is against the law, which prevents most people from doing so you know-it-all. I never said I didn't care about others either, I'm just stating whats wrong and whats right. And speaking of instinct, any animal who mates with another is ALWAYS straight, male and female. That alone shows how idiotic people have gotten.

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Oh yeah. How could I forget? Her opposing firearms under civilian use, abortion, homosexuality, and drugs completely sucks!


Well, I'm not sure about the firearms - I'm not sure what my policy on that would be, because I don't know most of the facts.

Abortion, however; I feel this should very much be the mother's choice. Why should it not be? Whether you are for, or against, abortion, surely you can see where the mother is coming from if she says, 'I made a mistake and wish I could take it back'. When you're faced with the fallout of a mistake which could change the course of the rest of your life, of course you want the choice.

And please tell me why to practise active homosexuality (or not) is not the right, and the choice, of the individual? Really, why should the right to be actively gay not be a right?

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong.


That's strange, because many people seem perfectly okay with homosexuality. And where are you getting the idea from that it is objectively wrong? Or is that just your opinion, Inhibitor?

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I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.


*sits back and watches Ratty put across his case* I think, Inhibitor, you'll find that Ratty and other bisexuals, along with homosexuals, know their minds as well as anybody else.


1. Abortion is murder. Period.
2. Its not an opinion, its a fact. You won't believe my source of it so I won't bother saying it.
3. I'm not throwing Ratty in the same category as others like him, but what I am saying is that you simply can't be content with a decision such as that.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:47 PM

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Humans have a brain and common sense, mammals don't.


1. Humans are mammals.

2. Are you implying that reptiles, avians etc. have a brain and common sense?

3. All mammals have a brain.

4. How are you defining 'common sense'?

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And speaking of instinct, any animal who mates with another is ALWAYS straight, male and female. That alone shows how idiotic people have gotten.


Homosexuality exists among animals, too.

For a start, see this page on sheep for breeding stock, including the phrase,
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Some studies have found that more than 10 percent of rams are homosexual and will not mate with ewes.
In addition to this, homosexuality has been observed in a huge range of animals. And that's just the times it's been observed.

Homosexuality serves to aid in procreation. Raising offspring is hard work. In some species only the mother stays around to look after the young (because she has to, for feeding or protection perhaps) and the father disappears. But in group-living animals, homosexual group members will help raise the young without producing young of their own, so the amount of time they are able to spend helping in raising the young is not divided. An infant raised by three family members is more likely to survive and proper than an infant brought up by only one (or even two).

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:47 PM

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QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species. Similar to the Bear hunt that occurred not too long ago, these are guys who will maul you to death if you get on their bad side. The less we come across, the better. And no matter which way you look at it, ANY relationship other than a man and a woman is wrong. I'm trying my best to tolerate people's wrong decisions but it simply can't be accepted.
And just for the record, you're not 'attracted' to other men, you're just confused.

Dude, I don't quite agree with or understand homosexuality myself, but even I know it's not quite as simple as being "confused" or "not confused". Nor it is really a matter of choice. People don't contemplate suicide over a simple matter of confusion or choice. I believe homosexuality runs a little stronger than that, even as strong as heterosexual desires.

I think I should stop there before spiraling into a completely different topic.


When a baby comes out of his/her mother's womb, they're not born homosexual or have tendencies of the kind, they're simply a boy or a girl. When they grow to be older thats when they question things like that and come out of the closet. The thing is: they were never in the closet to begin with. They stepped inside it because they were lead mislead and confused. Ratty, I think you're a cool guy and all, but your status is simply Not Right.

And this is getting completely off-topic so I'll leave it at that.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:50 PM

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Abortion is murder. Period.

I made a short film back in film school on the subject titled Sweet Sixteen, and tried to make it as objective as I possibly could. Basically, I'm inclined to think that adoption would solve as many issues as abortion, and without all of the medical uncertainty. In that sense, I am pro life. The only cases where abortion would be the better choice than adoption would be those cases where the mother's life is put in jeopardy due to the pregnancy.

EDIT: Inhibitor, nobody wakes up one morning and decides, "I'm going to be gay today. That should piss off the conservative." People tend to realize sexual tendencies, hetero or homo, slowly over a period of time. My realizations concluded in heterosexuality. Other people have different experiences when it comes to realizing their sexual tendencies.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:57 PM

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1. Abortion is murder. Period.


Rubbish. EDIT: Actually, it's the lack of a period that prompts an abortion in the first place wink.gif

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2. Its not an opinion, its a fact. You won't believe my source of it so I won't bother saying it.


Or is it that you know it's not a good defence? P.S: you need to learn the difference between an opinion and a fact.

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3. I'm not throwing Ratty in the same category as others like him, but what I am saying is that you simply can't be content with a decision such as that.


As much as I hope Ratty doesn't mind me speaking up instead of him, I think you'd be better off asking whether a person is content or not rather than telling them. Just a tip, In.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Velvet D'Coolette @ Dec 13 2010, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As much as I hope Ratty doesn't mind me speaking up instead of him, I think you'd be better off asking whether a person is content or not rather than telling them. Just a tip, In.

Nah I don't mind, you're doing pretty great at it. I've just been very busy writing a paper for the last few hours.

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When a baby comes out of his/her mother's womb, they're not born homosexual or have tendencies of the kind, they're simply a boy or a girl. When they grow to be older thats when they question things like that and come out of the closet. The thing is: they were never in the closet to begin with. They stepped inside it because they were lead mislead and confused. Ratty, I think you're a cool guy and all, but your status is simply Not Right.


How would you know this? Where's the proof? Real, hard science. You're just stating your opinions and beliefs, which are based on no evidence, as fact.

Bi and Homosexuality occur in nature and almost certainly (I say almost because there are no absolutes in science) have since before mankind began, and will after we're gone.
As Bill Hicks once observed about pot, something that also occurs in nature, making it illegal or saying it's wrong "Is like saying God made a mistake."
Since you're a religious person think about that for a minute.
And as Velvet pointed out in social animals like humans homosexuality can bring communities closer together and serves as a form of natural population control, increasing the group's chances of survival.

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3. I'm not throwing Ratty in the same category as others like him, but what I am saying is that you simply can't be content with a decision such as that.

No please do throw me in with others like me, there is no shame in the association. I expect that I am much more content with my sexuality than you suggest, and you suspect this. And that it is you who can't be content knowing that me and millions of people like me are perfectly happy with it.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:36 PM

Wow. WTF, Inhibitor? I'm both a devout Christian (which does NOT require one being a hetero) and straight, and I have no issues with people of differing sexual orientations nor do I think there's anything wrong with them. In fact, I'm friends with quite a few. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "live and let live"? Honestly.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 02:38 PM

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And speaking of instinct, any animal who mates with another is ALWAYS straight, male and female.

Bzzt, wrong.


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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:13 PM

I know this is only slightly off topic, but... I dislike Sarah Palin too.
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Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:14 PM

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Personally, I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species.


Wow, are you kidding me? A violent species? Yes, wolves certainly are wicked violent as they HUNT FOR FOOD TO SURVIVE. (of course the hunt itself is violent and painful to the prey, no doubt. But it's the only way the wolves can kill.) You know, as opposed to humans who: rape, torture, murder, and make war with each other...for NO GOOD REASON AT ALL. Oh yeah, those wolves are something EVIL I tell ya!
Do some research before writing off animals as 'dumb', 'violent', or 'mindless.'

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these are guys who will maul you to death if you get on their bad side.


So will a Walmart customer if you get between them and a Black Friday deal. You know... I'm actually ok with shooting Walmart customers from a helicopter... arrowhead.png
Better idea than killing bears.... How about staying the hell out of their territory? Humans don't need to occupy every square inch of the planet.

I'm not even going to touch the absurd bi/homsexual argument... stitchface.png

OH YEAH... TOPIC...
Agreeing with topic title. I can't stand her and wish someone would take her ass out already tongue.gif From a helicopter, even.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I don't care what happens to wolves because they're a violent species. Similar to the Bear hunt that occurred not too long ago, these are guys who will maul you to death if you get on their bad side. The less we come across, the better.

Spoken like a true idiot. Wolves are apex predators who tend to keep the populations of stuff like deer in check. More people are killed by deer every year than have been killed by wolves over the past 5000 or so years... Healthy wolves have a tendency to run from humans, because they're smart enough to know that we're little more than psychotic mutant primates. They wouldn't attack you, unless you're stupid enough to bring it upon yourself. Also: Dogs are nothing more than mutant wolves. They aren't even classified as a separate species anymore. While the idiot Europeans decided to wage war on them, my ancestors were smart enough to know how to coexist with them. Further back in history, the caveman seems to have learned such things as teamwork, social structure, and hunting techniques from wolves, most of which we still value and carry on...

For bears, it tends to come down to habitat encroachment and bears becoming habitualized to human presence. They're a large, carnivorous species and we're made out of meat and perty much defenseless unless we have a weapon. Humans are perty much meant to be bear food, as far as nature is concerned. So, the general rule is: "Don't go messing around in bear country, you moron!"... It's kinda like griping about lions when someone gets eaten by one. They should've stayed out of the way of the more powerful creature. Humans suffer from a superiority complex.

QUOTE (Inhibitor @ Dec 13 2010, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Humans have a brain and common sense, mammals don't. They just go by instinct and continue their work. Us humans know killing or stealing is against the law, which prevents most people from doing so you know-it-all.

See also the above "idiot" statement. Your claims can be disproven by hard science. There are a great many studies into animal intelligence.

Going back to wolves: They use mathematics and strategy in the hunt, and have a rather complex social structure. Some scientists believe they have a similar level of intelligence as humans. It's simply a differently focused intelligence, what with them being quadrupedal and predatory in nature. Did you know that often times, the pack forbids mating by those under the age of 3 (which translates into 21 if you use the typified "dog years" scale). They've been observed mourning the loss of other pack members. And the pack omega is often tasked with figuring out means of revealing tension within the pack by essentially acting as the lowest one on the social rung, despite them often actually becoming tougher than the alpha pair. If the omega is of the same sex as an alpha who dies, the remaining alpha will usually choose them over the others to take that alpha's place, because they understand the strength of the omega in question. Also, they tend to know how to act upon their more violent behaviors without actually hurting one another. They may appear to fight quite roughly, but rarely actually draw blood when doing so.

Some scientist also believe that the coyote is even more intelligent than the wolf, making them more intelligent than us. Which would make sense, seeing as how coyotes are one of the few species that manage to thrive in the presence of humans, despite even more extensive attempts at control measures than what's been used on wolves. Female coyotes are capable of adjusting their own fertility, based on how much food they expect to be available when the pups are born. They've been observed removing fleas by going swimming while holding a bit of their own fur in their mouth (the fleas migrate to the held fur, which is then let go to float downstream). A mated pair will form such a bond that if one is stuck in a trap, the other will bring them food and water (they go swimming and come back dripping wet, so their mate can get the water from their fur). They're also known to team up with badgers to hunt prairie dogs. The badger and coyote essentially take turns scaring the prairie dogs to eachother. The coyote gets the ones that come above ground and the badger gets the ones the go underground. Often, when hunting, they also employ their howls' echos to make it appear that there are more of them than there are, and that the prey is surrounded (when in fact, they're just being chased).

Domesticated dogs aren't exactly slouches, either. They can be trained to do perty much anything they're physically capable of achieving. Of course, breed also factors into that. Some are more stubborn than others, and just don't see the point in bothering to learn what you're trying to teach them, if you try to do the whole "obedience training" thing.

Other animals take the "tool use" route. Even birds are in on that. Some have figured out that cars can crush open nuts for them. Others have enough reasoning skills to be able to do stuff like fashioning hooks from wire to get at foodstuffs in otherwise inaccessible places.

As to humans: We're not as "superior" as we like to think we are. Among other things wrong with your statement: There's an awful lot of theft and murder still going on every second, even though they're against the law. See also the attempted genocide of the Native Americans (and the general theft of the country from them), the witch/werewolf/vampire hunts throughout history, and the Holocaust. Your statement is laughable at best... Stuff being against the law only really affects those who obey the law...

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Entire world population infected 2,7000 hours from first contact.


#39 RedMenace

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:41 PM

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Going back to wolves: They use mathematics and strategy in the hunt, and have a rather complex social structure. Some scientists believe they have a similar level of intelligence as humans. It's simply a differently focused intelligence, what with them being quadrupedal and predatory in nature. Did you know that often times, the pack forbids mating by those under the age of 3 (which translates into 21 if you use the typified "dog years" scale). They've been observed mourning the loss of other pack members. And the pack omega is often tasked with figuring out means of revealing tension within the pack by essentially acting as the lowest one on the social rung, despite them often actually becoming tougher than the alpha pair. If the omega is of the same sex as an alpha who dies, the remaining alpha will usually choose them over the others to take that alpha's place, because they understand the strength of the omega in question. Also, they tend to know how to act upon their more violent behaviors without actually hurting one another. They may appear to fight quite roughly, but rarely actually draw blood when doing so.

Some scientist also believe that the coyote is even more intelligent than the wolf, making them more intelligent than us. Which would make sense, seeing as how coyotes are one of the few species that manage to thrive in the presence of humans, despite even more extensive attempts at control measures than what's been used on wolves. Female coyotes are capable of adjusting their own fertility, based on how much food they expect to be available when the pups are born. They've been observed removing fleas by going swimming while holding a bit of their own fur in their mouth (the fleas migrate to the held fur, which is then let go to float downstream). A mated pair will form such a bond that if one is stuck in a trap, the other will bring them food and water (they go swimming and come back dripping wet, so their mate can get the water from their fur). They're also known to team up with badgers to hunt prairie dogs. The badger and coyote essentially take turns scaring the prairie dogs to eachother. The coyote gets the ones that come above ground and the badger gets the ones the go underground. Often, when hunting, they also employ their howls' echos to make it appear that there are more of them than there are, and that the prey is surrounded (when in fact, they're just being chased).


Wow! A lot of that is news to me. That's fascinating, I mean it. You really know your stuff! biggrin.gif

#40 Vlad Yvhv

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (RedMenace @ Dec 13 2010, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow! A lot of that is news to me. That's fascinating, I mean it. You really know your stuff! biggrin.gif

Around 17 or so years of research'll do that...

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