Ah ha!! I knew somebody would kinda see my point! Sonic is the leader. I can live with the arguement that Sonic and Sally are co-leaders. But no way that Sally is the leader and Sonic isnt. I agree with BigWigRah... if Sonic wasnt around, Sally wouldnt even dare to set foot in Robotropolis. On the other hand, Sonic would take on Robotnik if he was the last FF on the face of Mobius. With that kind of spirit, others follow, and that is generally what the FF's are all about. That makes Sonic the leader. Sally actually leads by planning and coordinating, letting everyone know their role. You can look at it this way, Sally leads by mind, Sonic leads by heart.
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The True Leader Of The Freedom Fighters
Started by RedAuthar, Oct 04 2010 10:38 AM
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Posted 29 October 2010 - 11:02 AM
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:39 AM
Plausable...
But I think even though Sonic would fight Robotnik, even if he was the last freedom fighter, he wouldn't be very successful.
I can see Sonic trying but ultimately failing due to his lack of careful planning and patients.
I'm starting to agree that it must be a combination effort of leadership to work.
But I think even though Sonic would fight Robotnik, even if he was the last freedom fighter, he wouldn't be very successful.
I can see Sonic trying but ultimately failing due to his lack of careful planning and patients.
I'm starting to agree that it must be a combination effort of leadership to work.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:50 AM
I always imagined Sally being the leader. After all, they are her people.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:20 PM
Regarding the argument that Sonic wouldn't be able to fight Robotnik without Sally's planning.
I'm not sure how true that is. Keep in mind that Sonic did go on a number of missions without the sanction, or even against the wishes of Sally.
Sonic: I went on solo missions when I was ten
Sally: Uh huh, without permission
Granted, Sonic does a lot of risky stuff, but he's in a good position to get away with it given his abilities. Given the motivation, Sonic is usually able to accomplish whatever goals he would like, although his goals probably aren't as lofty as ones Sally would set. It might not occur to Sonic on his own that saving the robotisized victims was even an option, but he sure as hell could destroy them as a means of "setting them free from their torment."
up in the air on that one.
I'm not sure how true that is. Keep in mind that Sonic did go on a number of missions without the sanction, or even against the wishes of Sally.
Sonic: I went on solo missions when I was ten
Sally: Uh huh, without permission
Granted, Sonic does a lot of risky stuff, but he's in a good position to get away with it given his abilities. Given the motivation, Sonic is usually able to accomplish whatever goals he would like, although his goals probably aren't as lofty as ones Sally would set. It might not occur to Sonic on his own that saving the robotisized victims was even an option, but he sure as hell could destroy them as a means of "setting them free from their torment."
up in the air on that one.
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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:18 AM
Sonic is a man of action. Not strong in the planning stages. When he has a plan he can do it, heck he is even really good at improvising. But consider if there was never a plan, ever. If Sonic winged it everytime nothing would ever get acomplished. He could cripple Robotniks operations, but then it would be even harder the next time around. Also without careful planning he wouldn't even know what targets to hit. Sonic is good, but not good enough to be the sole leader/stratigist. Without Sally's planning Sonic can't win. He can throw good punches but can't ever score a knockout.
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 09:55 PM
QUOTE (BigWigRah @ Nov 10 2010, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regarding the argument that Sonic wouldn't be able to fight Robotnik without Sally's planning.
I'm not sure how true that is. Keep in mind that Sonic did go on a number of missions without the sanction, or even against the wishes of Sally.
Sonic: I went on solo missions when I was ten
Sally: Uh huh, without permission
Granted, Sonic does a lot of risky stuff, but he's in a good position to get away with it given his abilities. Given the motivation, Sonic is usually able to accomplish whatever goals he would like, although his goals probably aren't as lofty as ones Sally would set. It might not occur to Sonic on his own that saving the robotisized victims was even an option, but he sure as hell could destroy them as a means of "setting them free from their torment."
up in the air on that one.
I'm not sure how true that is. Keep in mind that Sonic did go on a number of missions without the sanction, or even against the wishes of Sally.
Sonic: I went on solo missions when I was ten
Sally: Uh huh, without permission
Granted, Sonic does a lot of risky stuff, but he's in a good position to get away with it given his abilities. Given the motivation, Sonic is usually able to accomplish whatever goals he would like, although his goals probably aren't as lofty as ones Sally would set. It might not occur to Sonic on his own that saving the robotisized victims was even an option, but he sure as hell could destroy them as a means of "setting them free from their torment."
up in the air on that one.
Actually, it was Sonic who was the one to figure out that jarring memories loose could break people (and pets) free of Robotnik's control. Though it does seem to be one of those more "stumbled upon by winging it" discoveries, it was an approach that even Sally didn't think of. I have a suspicion that Sonic's goals may actually be loftier than Sally's, due to him not being such a realist. But his lack of patience and general "wing it" style would indeed make it hard for him to really fulfill the role of leader for very long. And without the others, Sonic may in fact lose his motivation to remain a hero, as noted by his depression over Uncle Chuck reverting back to a robotic mindset the first time around. It's hard to say for sure, though, if he would just sink into depression, or go on to become an even greater hero... The potential for both is there... But neither would reflect Sonic as we know him...
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Posted 06 December 2010 - 06:53 PM
I might seem like a complete nerd for posting this but I'll compare Satam to Halo. Sonic is like Master Cheif who everybody looks up to because he is unbeatable while Sally is like the Admiral that tells Sonic what to do. In two different ways they are leaders. While Sonic leads by being a Hero Sally leads using her intelect and planning skills.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:06 PM
Well, to be fair, I would have selected both Sonic and Sally as a single "entity", if such an option would have existed, as they, together, make an awesome team that can decimate all.
The definition of a leader is a person or thing that leads. So, the definition of lead, as used in the context of the definition, is someone who takes action;to initiate. This seems more like Sonic's edge, but Sally has initiated a lot of plans herself. I'd love to see a tally of who has initiated more action, and I mean not just in the scope of the videos we can watch, but in the sense of a whole.
Sonic may not seem smart, but in all honesty, I think it's just his speed getting in the way of his better judgment. I bet he can make a fine leader if he just takes the time to plan HOW to use his speed, and matured up a little. Not a whole lot, just enough.
The definition of a leader is a person or thing that leads. So, the definition of lead, as used in the context of the definition, is someone who takes action;to initiate. This seems more like Sonic's edge, but Sally has initiated a lot of plans herself. I'd love to see a tally of who has initiated more action, and I mean not just in the scope of the videos we can watch, but in the sense of a whole.
Sonic may not seem smart, but in all honesty, I think it's just his speed getting in the way of his better judgment. I bet he can make a fine leader if he just takes the time to plan HOW to use his speed, and matured up a little. Not a whole lot, just enough.
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 12:05 PM
Well, to be fair, I would have selected both Sonic and Sally as a single "entity", if such an option would have existed, as they, together, make an awesome team that can decimate all.
The definition of a leader is a person or thing that leads. So, the definition of lead, as used in the context of the definition, is someone who takes action;to initiate. This seems more like Sonic's edge, but Sally has initiated a lot of plans herself. I'd love to see a tally of who has initiated more action, and I mean not just in the scope of the videos we can watch, but in the sense of a whole.
Sonic may not seem smart, but in all honesty, I think it's just his speed getting in the way of his better judgment. I bet he can make a fine leader if he just takes the time to plan HOW to use his speed, and matured up a little. Not a whole lot, just enough.
Seconded.
I think that either Sally or Sonic could have been the leader, given their particular traits and abilities; it seems to me that the Freedom Fighters looked to Sally as the planner and the go-to person by force of personality, but to Sonic for morale and the better amount of the physical abilities. They're basically a perfect team. I liked the "alpha male and female, like wolves" thought. I voted for Sally, though, simply because it seems like when she does take charge, Sonic usually seems to stand back and let her, whereas she's more likely to see the flaws in his ideas.
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 02:09 PM
I see Sonic as the Jack Bauer of the team, only hes about 1000 times less violent. I mean he's more of a man of action if you will. Sally is the planner and as a unit they are both worthy of the leader role... so consider me thirded... or something.
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Posted 04 April 2011 - 01:15 PM
I see Sonic as the Jack Bauer of the team, only hes about 1000 times less violent. I mean he's more of a man of action if you will. Sally is the planner and as a unit they are both worthy of the leader role... so consider me thirded... or something.
Not a bad analysis you got here.
To me, I think in a way they could share the role as leader to certain extent, especially since their strengths complement their weaknesses.
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