50 replies to this topic

[DMoney]

Oh well... I guess I wanted to see if anybody followed me on the 'Sonic is leader' thing lol. I still stand by what I say!! No matter how rediculous it sounds!!

[chief]

I think a clown would be a better leader. I mean they at least normally plan out their shows.

[Morgan]

DMoney: Well hey, that's the great thing about opinions. Can't kill ya for one of those.

Chief, one of those clowns that walk on balls or unicycles, or how about the ones that get crammed into a tiny car?

[chief]

Tiny car one obviously.

[BigWigRah]

maybe Nicole is the leader since she does all the heavy lifting for Sally...

nah, probably not, but you gotta admit, Sally probably wouldn't be so bright if she didn't have that machine for a knowledge base. That would be an interesting mini arc of Nicole were to get disabled somehow, forcing Sally to come up with complex plans on her own.

[Gojira007]

Sally came up with several plans by herself, with Nicole merely providing supplementary but not necessary assistance. That said, there is indeed interesting territory to epxlore what would happen if Nicole were to break down (and could not be as easily fixed as when it malfunctioned in "Super Sonic") and how the team would operate without that help.

[RedAuthar]

Due to Nicole not actually functioning without somebody using her, it would be hard for her to actually lead. She is more of the chief advisor possition. Besides, Sally usually only goes to her to verify information, and then plan things based on that.

[Vlad Yvhv]

Sally's the real leader, with Sonic being the figurehead. While Sally has the brains, Sonic has the popularity of a hero. So, Sonic can potentially be more persuasive than Sally. This could easily lead to him being mistaken for the group's leader.

[LaserX5]

That would be an interesting mini arc of Nicole were to get disabled somehow, forcing Sally to come up with complex plans on her own.

Actually, I have a fanfic of something like that, where Nicole has been hit by a major virus and is now shut down.

But yea, I'd like to see of that arc myself.

[acstrife]

Sally all the way, she makes the plans she decides most of the time when and where to go. Definitely Sally is the leader.

[fishtheimpaler]

I don't know, I think most of you are underplaying the importance of Sonic as "figurehead." The person who makes plans isn't always the one we'd tend to call the "leader" in a nation. Rahm Emmanuel is not the leader of the Obama White House, despite being Chief of Staff and probably having more on-the-ground involvement in most issues of governance than the President. Neither was Cheney the leader of the Bush White House, despite being much smarter and more capable than the President.

Of course, that's not the precise nature of the relationship here, in large part because Sally is the nominal leader (Head of State and Chief Executive according to the traditional rules of Mobian goverment) as well as the FF's chief planner. But Sonic's defiant personality and willingness to take on Robotnik without fear make him play a huge psychological role given the underdog status of the FFs. He's proof that they can make a difference by fighting Robotnik, if nothing else because Robotnik hates him so much; he's Priority One. If they were to lose Sonic, the effect would be devastating.

Which is why when they've not only lost Sonic but are facing him as a brainwashed enemy, it makes sense that Sally would say to him, as she does, that he's their leader. They need him, more than they need anybody else. It's like, help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope, etc.

I've always been a fan of the FF's "leadership" in a concrete sense consisting of the dynamic interplay between Sonic and Sally.

[LaserX5]

I don't know, I think most of you are underplaying the importance of Sonic as "figurehead." The person who makes plans isn't always the one we'd tend to call the "leader" in a nation. Rahm Emmanuel is not the leader of the Obama White House, despite being Chief of Staff and probably having more on-the-ground involvement in most issues of governance than the President. Neither was Cheney the leader of the Bush White House, despite being much smarter and more capable than the President.

Of course, that's not the precise nature of the relationship here, in large part because Sally is the nominal leader (Head of State and Chief Executive according to the traditional rules of Mobian government) as well as the FF's chief planner. But Sonic's defiant personality and willingness to take on Robotnik without fear make him play a huge psychological role given the underdog status of the FFs. He's proof that they can make a difference by fighting Robotnik, if nothing else because Robotnik hates him so much; he's Priority One. If they were to lose Sonic, the effect would be devastating.

Which is why when they've not only lost Sonic but are facing him as a brainwashed enemy, it makes sense that Sally would say to him, as she does, that he's their leader. They need him, more than they need anybody else. It's like, help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope, etc.

I've always been a fan of the FF's "leadership" in a concrete sense consisting of the dynamic interplay between Sonic and Sally.

While it is true Sonic is the most important solider of the Freedom Fighters, it is Sally who comes up with the plans and strategies, thus qualifting her as leader.

Think about it, a leader is someone who plans the missions and inspires the troops to victory. Who but Sally is qualified for that?

As we've all seen from the cartoon, Sonic's wing it attitude can get him into alot of trouble at times.

This is why he is not fit to be leader, as others have said on here.

[Morgan]

Sonic would scare me if he was leader. I require some kind of thought or planning to be secure.

[RedAuthar]

Sonic would scare me if he was leader. I require some kind of thought or planning to be secure.

That is why threads like this exist. To liberate us from those continuity errors that scar us for life. Like Sonic being the leader. I think that was mentioned as a mistake.

[BigWigRah]

Actually, Fish makes a fantastic point. If sonic wasn't around, do you think Sally would be at all willing to take on Robotnik at all? I don't think Sally would ever be so confrontational on her own. She doesn't really think like a soldier. Sally could probably keep Knothole hidden on her own, but I doubt she would ever be able to hold back Robotnik's forward march, or even set foot in the city. Sally probably wouldn't be able to keep up morale very well in knothole either, at least not in the way Sonic can provide hope through his victories.

[RedAuthar]

But being successful doesn't make you a leader. Again Sonic doesn't lead, he is a rally point or a very useful member. Without him all would fail, but he doesn't command or make plans. He just gets them done.

[Bakuda]

I voted Sally...but I would have to agree with co-leaders on this one. The freedom fighter rely on both of Sally and Sonic's skills to get them through their missions. While Sonic does act rather stupid at times, I believe he's alot more brilliant than he lets on. And Sally is a genius when it comes to strategic planning. It takes both Sally and Sonic to lead this team, one would not be the same without the other.

[RedAuthar]

That is a valid arguement.

Still I don't think Sonic could lead anyone through a hallway.

[furrykef]

Sonic's a leader, I just don't think he's the leader. In military terms, Sally would be a general or the Commander-in-Chief, and Sonic would be a sergeant.

[RedAuthar]

Interesting way to put it. In that case what would the leaders of the other freedom fighters be? Under Sally? Above Sonic? Equal to Sonic? You can't really be above general...