When watching SatAM, recently I noticed a glaring contradiction in the leadership of the Knothole Freedom Fighters. When brought up in episodes, it is usually announced that Sonic led the Knothole Freedom Fighters. But in most episodes, Sally makes the plans and acts as the field leader. In fact she usually tells Sonic what to do (though he rarely listens). Am I the only one who thinks this or are there others that feel the leadership is incorrect?
(If there is another thread like this, I apologize. I searched and didn't find one so I started this one)
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The True Leader Of The Freedom Fighters
Started by RedAuthar, Oct 04 2010 10:38 AM
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 10:38 AM
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:45 PM
Do any episodes actually call Sonic the leader? I always just assumed Sally was the leader. She is, after all, the princess.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:50 PM
Yeah Id say Sally sorta makes the default leader as.. Being the Princess it kinda does that.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:23 PM
QUOTE (RedAuthar @ Oct 4 2010, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When watching SatAM, recently I noticed a glaring contradiction in the leadership of the Knothole Freedom Fighters. When brought up in episodes, it is usually announced that Sonic led the Knothole Freedom Fighters. But in most episodes, Sally makes the plans and acts as the field leader. In fact she usually tells Sonic what to do (though he rarely listens). Am I the only one who thinks this or are there others that feel the leadership is incorrect?
(If there is another thread like this, I apologize. I searched and didn't find one so I started this one)
(If there is another thread like this, I apologize. I searched and didn't find one so I started this one)
Sally is the leader since she's the brains of the operation.
Sonic is too reckless to be leader since he likes to wing it and play it by ear.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:41 PM
There was at least 2 incidents in season 2 where Sonic was referred to as the leader. The first was the "No Brainer" episode where Snively told Sonic he was the leader. The second occurred in "The Void" episode when Sally said the same thing.
Personally I always thought Sally was the leader.
Personally I always thought Sally was the leader.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:27 PM
I always saw Sally as being the leader of the Freedom Fighters. She's the one who plans the missions out. Sonic doesn't seem like the type to lead.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:00 AM
Wow 8 out of 8 votes for Sal. I guess we are all in agreement that she's the true leader of The Knothole Freedom Fighters.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:16 AM
I always thought Sally cause she's the one that laid out the plans and such while Sonic...generally follows. 
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:27 AM
Sally, no question. References to Sonic being the leader always felt like the writers making a concession of sorts to Sonic's "main character" status.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:37 AM
QUOTE (Gojira007 @ Oct 5 2010, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sally, no question. References to Sonic being the leader always felt like the writers making a concession of sorts to Sonic's "main character" status.
Kinda how it comes across to me too.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:37 AM
I guess I can be the one who plays devils advocate here. Sonic is the leader. The leader is the first person to take action. Usually this is the strongest, most skilled and/or most powerful person. Its the first person to go into battle, with his troops behind him. This is clearly Sonic. Yeah Sally makes the plans and stuff, but Sonic takes action first. They follow him into battle with Robotnik, every time. Without Sonic, they would all be doomed. Sally really takes lead when Sonic is not around... like when he is off distracting the robots or something like that. If anything, I would at least put them as co-captains.
Like Aurora said, in The Void, when Sally and Bunny were under Naugus's spell and he asked about Sonic, the first thing she said was "Sonic, leader of the Knothole Freedom Fighters." Also in No Brainer, yes Snivley referred to Sally as the leader, but what does he know?? In that same episode, right before they tossed Sonic the power ring to get his memory back, Sally again called him the leader... she specifically said "Come back to us Sonic, you're our leader!"
In fact, thats why Snivley lost out in that episode, because he did not realize the true leader is Sonic. He should have just roboticized Sonic... but instead he went after Sally. Robotnik would never have made this mistake, he would have roboticized Sonic as soon as he had him, because he knows who really runs it for the FFs.
Like Aurora said, in The Void, when Sally and Bunny were under Naugus's spell and he asked about Sonic, the first thing she said was "Sonic, leader of the Knothole Freedom Fighters." Also in No Brainer, yes Snivley referred to Sally as the leader, but what does he know?? In that same episode, right before they tossed Sonic the power ring to get his memory back, Sally again called him the leader... she specifically said "Come back to us Sonic, you're our leader!"
In fact, thats why Snivley lost out in that episode, because he did not realize the true leader is Sonic. He should have just roboticized Sonic... but instead he went after Sally. Robotnik would never have made this mistake, he would have roboticized Sonic as soon as he had him, because he knows who really runs it for the FFs.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:04 AM
QUOTE (RedAuthar @ Oct 5 2010, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow 8 out of 8 votes for Sal. I guess we are all in agreement that she's the true leader of The Knothole Freedom Fighters.
I'm sure you would approve of that.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 12:38 PM
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I guess I can be the one who plays devils advocate here. Sonic is the leader. The leader is the first person to take action. Usually this is the strongest, most skilled and/or most powerful person. Its the first person to go into battle, with his troops behind him. This is clearly Sonic. Yeah Sally makes the plans and stuff, but Sonic takes action first. They follow him into battle with Robotnik, every time. Without Sonic, they would all be doomed. Sally really takes lead when Sonic is not around... like when he is off distracting the robots or something like that. If anything, I would at least put them as co-captains.
Like Aurora said, in The Void, when Sally and Bunny were under Naugus's spell and he asked about Sonic, the first thing she said was "Sonic, leader of the Knothole Freedom Fighters." Also in No Brainer, yes Snivley referred to Sally as the leader, but what does he know?? In that same episode, right before they tossed Sonic the power ring to get his memory back, Sally again called him the leader... she specifically said "Come back to us Sonic, you're our leader!"
In fact, thats why Snivley lost out in that episode, because he did not realize the true leader is Sonic. He should have just roboticized Sonic... but instead he went after Sally. Robotnik would never have made this mistake, he would have roboticized Sonic as soon as he had him, because he knows who really runs it for the FFs.
Like Aurora said, in The Void, when Sally and Bunny were under Naugus's spell and he asked about Sonic, the first thing she said was "Sonic, leader of the Knothole Freedom Fighters." Also in No Brainer, yes Snivley referred to Sally as the leader, but what does he know?? In that same episode, right before they tossed Sonic the power ring to get his memory back, Sally again called him the leader... she specifically said "Come back to us Sonic, you're our leader!"
In fact, thats why Snivley lost out in that episode, because he did not realize the true leader is Sonic. He should have just roboticized Sonic... but instead he went after Sally. Robotnik would never have made this mistake, he would have roboticized Sonic as soon as he had him, because he knows who really runs it for the FFs.
Finally, this thread wouldn't be fun if we didn't have some disagreements in this.
However, all this proves is Sonic is a good figure head. He has some good leadership qualities but mostly he is a hero for the Freedom Fighters to rally behind. The true leadership (in my opinion at least) still rests with Sally.
And for the rest of you out there who think it is Sonic or someone else is the leader lets hear from you.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:10 PM
QUOTE (DMoney @ Oct 5 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess I can be the one who plays devils advocate here. Sonic is the leader. The leader is the first person to take action. Usually this is the strongest, most skilled and/or most powerful person. Its the first person to go into battle, with his troops behind him. This is clearly Sonic.
Hmm, I didn't hear about George W. Bush going on the front lines during the Iraq War.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:26 PM
I always saw them both as the leader O.o Kind of like a wolf's pack alpha male and female. They're like one whole person (in terms of balancing out each others flaws or different styles) in two different bodies.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:46 PM
Sonic is too much of a idiot to be a leader. Always running into stuff before thinking. Yeah good leadership skills there. In real life Sonic is more to be one of those idiots everyone hates cause he keeps screwing everything up. He is like the Leroy Jenkins of SatAM.
Not exactly leader material.
Besides on a political role Sally being the princess leadership kinda defaults to her. They are in a monarchy.
Not exactly leader material.
Besides on a political role Sally being the princess leadership kinda defaults to her. They are in a monarchy.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 02:57 PM
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He is like the Leroy Jenkins of SatAM.
Leroy Jenkins is the reason I don't play online games anymore...
But you have a good point, running in head first doesn't make you a leader. Usually makes you dead, and everybody else.
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:27 PM
Sonic could be pretty clever and resourceful in early episodes, at least in comparison to the raging idiot he was throughout Season 2. That said, Sally's leadership qualities are much more apparent.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 02:54 AM
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I guess I can be the one who plays devils advocate here. Sonic is the leader. The leader is the first person to take action. Usually this is the strongest, most skilled and/or most powerful person. Its the first person to go into battle, with his troops behind him. This is clearly Sonic. Yeah Sally makes the plans and stuff, but Sonic takes action first. They follow him into battle with Robotnik, every time. Without Sonic, they would all be doomed. Sally really takes lead when Sonic is not around... like when he is off distracting the robots or something like that. If anything, I would at least put them as co-captains.
Actually, no. A leader doesn't lead their troops into battle. A leader directs them. And from experience, most, if not all, leaders I've worked with were young and weak little pieces of pelican shit. Skilled, yes, but certainly not the strongest or most powerful of us Infantry soldiers.
However, in fantasy stories a good leader is the guy with big fancy speeches and who can take on an entire army of Orcs. Which is exactly why Antoine is the true leader of the Freedom Fighters!
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 08:16 AM
QUOTE (John Roberts @ Oct 6 2010, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, no. A leader doesn't lead their troops into battle. A leader directs them. And from experience, most, if not all, leaders I've worked with were young and weak little pieces of pelican shit. Skilled, yes, but certainly not the strongest or most powerful of us Infantry soldiers.
However, in fantasy stories a good leader is the guy with big fancy speeches and who can take on an entire army of Orcs. Which is exactly why Antoine is the true leader of the Freedom Fighters!
However, in fantasy stories a good leader is the guy with big fancy speeches and who can take on an entire army of Orcs. Which is exactly why Antoine is the true leader of the Freedom Fighters!
This whole post made me laugh. Give Antoine a pan and a fork and he's good to go!In all seriousness, I don't think I ever considered Sonic the leader for basically the reason John mentioned. Sonic may be in the front lines, but he isn't the one who came up with the plans. And god help him if he does.
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