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[Glitcher]

I never found Dulcy particularly irritable, but I guess that's because all my frustration was focused on Antoine. At least Dulcy isn't politically incorrect like Antoine. I'm sure the writers had a laugh portraying the alleged American hero of the show making fun of the French comic relief.

[randomizer]

I like it that he is politically incorrect. But it would have been better if the jokes were all on the American I am a little too used to jokes about the French, but most of them are justifiable.

[captainabnormal]

Hah! captainabnormal, I empathise completely. All those changes and more bug me about Season 2; not a single one was an improvement if you ask me.

Only a few of those changes have been given any explanation. Rotor was series editor Len Janson's least favorite character, so he was de-emphasised. Antoine was made more prominent for the opposite reason I think. There was a story going around that Sally was given a vest because some soccer mom complained, can't remember if it's true. Dulcy was added for the reason Perreault gave, to have another girl in the cast. As for the rest, we may never know.

One thing to keep in mind is that only a tiny fraction of the production team for Season 1 went on to produce Season 2 - the rest were largely new. New character designers, new music composers, new key animators, new background artists... these may also account for some changes, with everybody doing things a little differently. It's unfortunate things turned out that way, but it's interesting to look back on. Hope that helped you.

That’s great! I don't feel like I'm nick picking anymore and it helped tremendously, all of the comments in fact. Oh I do also agree with the improvements of season two. They were very good, especially the awesome spectacle Blast to the past and of course Snivelly’s character, which is probably why he is my favourite character. My favourite bits are definitely the interaction between Robotnik and Snivelly, they make me laugh so much, and appreciate how well written they are.
However I disagree with some people’s comments that Antoine in S 1 is the same in S two. For one in one of the early episodes he tried to capture Robotnik out of jealously. I think that episode fleshed out his character quite well. Also I felt he wasn’t meant to be comic relief in S 1; possibly at times the “butt of the joke”, but still not a ridiculous character, with conflicts of his own etc. While... in S 2 I think they over played him in the WRONG way, the Jar-jar binks way.

Hah! captainabnormal, I empathise completely. All those changes and more bug me about Season 2; not a single one was an improvement if you ask me.

Only a few of those changes have been given any explanation. Rotor was series editor Len Janson's least favorite character, so he was de-emphasised. Antoine was made more prominent for the opposite reason I think. There was a story going around that Sally was given a vest because some soccer mom complained, can't remember if it's true. Dulcy was added for the reason Perreault gave, to have another girl in the cast. As for the rest, we may never know.

One thing to keep in mind is that only a tiny fraction of the production team for Season 1 went on to produce Season 2 - the rest were largely new. New character designers, new music composers, new key animators, new background artists... these may also account for some changes, with everybody doing things a little differently. It's unfortunate things turned out that way, but it's interesting to look back on. Hope that helped you.

That’s great! I don't feel like I'm nick picking anymore and it helped tremendously, all of the comments in fact. Oh I do also agree with the improvements of season two. They were very good, especially the awesome spectacle Blast to the past and of course Snivelly’s character, which is probably why he is my favourite character. My favourite bits are definitely the interaction between Robotnik and Snivelly, they make me laugh so much, and appreciate how well written they are.
However I disagree with some people’s comments that Antoine in S 1 is the same in S two. For one in one of the early episodes he tried to capture Robotnik out of jealously. I think that episode fleshed out his character quite well. Also I felt he wasn’t meant to be comic relief in S 1; possibly at times the “butt of the joke”, but still not a ridiculous character, with conflicts of his own etc. While... in S 2 I think they over played him in the WRONG way, the Jar-jar binks way.

[furrykef]

I actually liked Antoine in S1, I didn't find him that annoying at all.

So whenever Antoine mispronounces something and everybody has to stop what they're doing to provide the obvious correction, does your brain just block it out or something? 'Cause if it happened any more than it did, I'd have started bashing my head into the wall. (And they did it in both seasons... ugh.)

I never found Dulcy particularly irritable, but I guess that's because all my frustration was focused on Antoine. At least Dulcy isn't politically incorrect like Antoine. I'm sure the writers had a laugh portraying the alleged American hero of the show making fun of the French comic relief.

I've always liked the idea that the French on Mobius (erm... whatever the Mobian equivalent of the French are) are actually relatively normal and it's only Antoine that has a ridiculous accent and overly cowardly behavior. I thought it was a shame in Archie when they introduced his parents and they talked like he does.

[randomizer]

I don't mind the mispronunciations, it's the corrections that would annoy me. If Antoine think a mission is a slice of pie, why must anyone argue about it? Pies are better than cakes.

[Tristan Palmgren]

However, when he said "Gringo!" a moment later...

That certainly has a different meaning than I think the writers intended.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I don't mind the mispronunciations, it's the corrections that would annoy me. If Antoine think a mission is a slice of pie, why must anyone argue about it? Pies are better than cakes.

See also Huxley's mangling of common phrases in Demolition Man. Also, it depends highly on the type of pie and cake. Besides, "slice of pie" sounds lame, unless you're hungry. People don't like it when you mangle their phrases. And when you use the wrong word, it makes you sound stupid. I'm sure it burned Ant a bit when Sonic used "Mercy bucket", too...

[randomizer]

Slice of pie may sound lame but so does piece of cake. In what way does either have anything to do with difficulty?

[Vlad Yvhv]

Hmm... It seems that the phrase doesn't have a wikipedia page... According to Webster's, it origionates from 1935. So, maybe it was one of those oddball sayings they used that just stuck in people's minds or something?

[NotSoFast]

I never found Dulcy particularly irritable, but I guess that's because all my frustration was focused on Antoine. At least Dulcy isn't politically incorrect like Antoine. I'm sure the writers had a laugh portraying the alleged American hero of the show making fun of the French comic relief.

Are you implying that Sonic is American?

QUOTE (randomizer @ Sep 8 2010, 12:55 PM)
Somebody please burn Dulcy. If she was supposed to appeal to females more than Sally... well I'm glad I'm male because I would be thoroughly insulted otherwise.

Well, at least dulcy wasn't PINK.

If she had been pink, she actually would have appealed to females better, as pink is the most preferred color by young girls (I'm not stereotyping, it's just statistically true) and cartoons like SatAM are aimed at young kids. Please, tell me that you aren't one of those sad people who go around complaining about children's shows having "girly" female characters that actually appeal the show's age demographics, as that's about as pathetic as complaining about cartoons aimed at boys having corny and silly action heroes, or attacking young girls and boys for playing with dolls and action figures respectively.

[furrykef]

Well, Sonic's not American as such (hell, he's not even from an American company), but he spoke with an American accent, and his sense of "attitude" was more of an American phenomenon. So I can see how one might draw an analogy between Sonic and Americans.

[RedAuthar]

I found Antoine funny. He was a coward, yet was brave enough to face his fears (though mostly to win over Sally). And personally I don't believe giving a character an accent makes the politically incorrect otherwise everyone would have to sound the same and all characters would have to have the same Blah personality so they don't offend anyone.

Also, Sonic is as American as you can get for a Anthropomorphic Hedgehog with no nationality.

[GuyWalrus]

I rather like the Season 2 Rotor Better than the First Rotor.
I like how he wears Gloves and Shoes and Has a Smaller Snout and I think he looks cooler.
As for Antoine I think the Season 1 version looks better.

I don't think the rest of the Characters have changed much between Season 1 and 2. :-/

[Uncle Ben]

I rather like the Season 2 Rotor Better than the First Rotor.
I like how he wears Gloves and Shoes and Has a Smaller Snout and I think he looks cooler.
As for Antoine I think the Season 1 version looks better.

I don't think the rest of the Characters have changed much between Season 1 and 2. :-/

I thought the season 1 Rotor was better. I mean to me the season 2 one looks odd..

And one thing i have noticed: they never explained how Dulcy came to the Freedom Fighters... She's just there

[randomizer]

And one thing i have noticed: they never explained how Dulcy came to the Freedom Fighters... She's just there

And it's very unfortunate that she is there!

[Teirusu]

I like all the characters, even Dulcy. Is the same with Big the cat or Chris, they can be annoying, but I prefer have them instead of havn't. Anyway for me Dulcy is no more annoying after see Ro-becca.

About rotor I'm with GuyWalrus...in 2nd season looks more cool and important. In 1st season I rarely pay attention on him.

[Uncle Ben]

Dulcy wasnt THAT bad. I like Rotor's design in Season 1 but his importance in season 2

[RedAuthar]

I have to agree on liking Season 1 Rotor better. Sure he was more important in season 2 his design just looks wrong for some reason.

[Teirusu]

I just look the rotor of 1 season design and 2. I can't say clearly which is better, are 2 style completely opposited.

1 season rotor looks for me like a 30 age wise but stunned

2 season rotor looks for me like a 16 age. He looks active, less stunned and clever.

I mean, for me 1 season rotor is like daddy rotor, and 2 season like son rotor .

Google this: rotor 1season satam

The 2nd and 3rd photo looks like dad and son

[Uncle Ben]

Season 1 looks more like a walrus to me than Season 2