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[henryiii]

BEHOlD THE MOST DESPICABLE THING FLYNN HAS WROTE YET.





seriously I'm more insulted then usually from Flynn from this.
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[John Roberts]

Are they seriously running with that idea for four issues? I gotta agree with Sonic's expression there.

[henryiii]

Are they seriously running with that idea for four issues?

Yes

[Shadow]

So much for Cream NEVER appearing in the comic

[LaserX5]

BEHOlD THE MOST DESPICABLE THING FLYNN HAS WROTE YET.





seriously I'm more insulted then usually from Flynn from this.
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Nothing Ian Flynn does nowadays is surprising to me. The guy is too off the wall to be a solid comic writer.

[Gojira007]

Are they seriously running with that idea for four issues?

Yes

What idea IS that, exactly? The name of the arc's "Treasure Hunt Tango", so I imagine we're in for a "Romancing the Stone" style adventure. Lighthearted, maybe, but I can think of significantly worse things they could do. At the least, I'll take it over that overlong "Sonic and Tails go solo to hunt Naugus" nonsense, simply because they'll look to have various characters to interact with.

[TBarrett]

BEHOlD THE MOST DESPICABLE THING FLYNN HAS WROTE YET.

So you've already read it? Even though it's not even close to being out yet? What happens in the issue, I'd love to know.

[Rosy]

So much for Cream NEVER appearing in the comic

Yeeeaahhh, those guys are eating their words now. Because they made it clear they weren't gonna add Cream no matter what. >_>
But honestly... Rouge & Blaze with Amy? What the hell is Ian on? I would think if they were gonna add Cream, this would had been a perfect time to use Team Rose.

[LaserX5]

BEHOlD THE MOST DESPICABLE THING FLYNN HAS WROTE YET.

So you've already read it? Even though it's not even close to being out yet? What happens in the issue, I'd love to know.

You can't honestly think this comic series is going to be good.

Treasure Team Tango?

Smooth move, Ian! What's next? A universe series of when Sonic and his pals days in preschool?

There's not enough facepalms to describe this nonsense. Enough of this kiddy stuff? Bring back to Satam style themes! Ah, who am I kidding? Like that'll ever happen!

I think Ian's days as the comic book writer is numbered. After 200, his writing has been getting worse and worse.

[Gojira007]

Smooth move, Ian! What's next? A universe series of when Sonic and his pals days in preschool?

Been there, done that.


I disagree with him on some of the specifics, but I think I'm with Wentos on this: people are getting WAY too hung up on how "dark" this comic is supposed to be. Not saying that applies to everyone, definitely not saying that means this story's a surefire hit, but I think the way this is being framed is just all wrong. It shouldn't matter if the story is "dark" or "light"; what matters is whether or not it's any good at doing what it sets out to do. At least, that's just my opinion.

[LaserX5]

Smooth move, Ian! What's next? A universe series of when Sonic and his pals days in preschool?

Been there, done that.


I disagree with him on some of the specifics, but I think I'm with Wentos on this: people are getting WAY too hung up on how "dark" this comic is supposed to be. Not saying that applies to everyone, definitely not saying that means this story's a surefire hit, but I think the way this is being framed is just all wrong. It shouldn't matter if the story is "dark" or "light"; what matters is whether or not it's any good at doing what it sets out to do. At least, that's just my opinion.

You really can't blame people for wanting more dark themes in the comic. After all, Sonic Satam, which this comic was based off, was very dark, as well as epic.

But yea, I'm convinced now Archie wants to water down the Satam elements so its quote, kid friendly. What rubbish.

Warner Bros tried the same nonsense with Batman in 2 movies, trying to make it more kid friendly and boy did it bomb.

I guess people don't learn from history. You can't water down a dark series and expect it to be good.

Sonic Satam wouldn't be what it was without its dark elements.

[furrykef]

I like dark SatAM as much as the next guy, but the series really wasn't that dark. Except for a couple of things (the Uncle Chuck episodes stick out the most), most of the darkness was in undertones.

Let's not forget that the infamous Antoine shorts and Ro-Becca are from SatAM too.

[henryiii]

I think one of my problems with the comic is not really the lack of darkness per say, but the lack of overall menace in the comic. Which leads to no overall conflict and therefore no overall drama in whether or not the hero's will succeed

[John Roberts]

Light or dark, the quality of either only ever comes down to the talent who are writing it. If the writer(s) suck? Well guess what, the story's gonna suck too. Any story in the world, any story at all, can be written well regardless of it's themes.

I like dark SatAM as much as the next guy, but the series really wasn't that dark. Except for a couple of things (the Uncle Chuck episodes stick out the most), most of the darkness was in undertones.

I don't think any episode in either seasons was able to match season one Ultra Sonic (the first Uncle Chuck ep) SatAM at it's best right there.

It frightens me to agree with Kef here, but there you have it.

[LaserX5]

I think one of my problems with the comic is not really the lack of darkness per say, but the lack of overall menace in the comic. Which leads to no overall conflict and therefore no overall drama in whether or not the hero's will succeed

I couldn't agree more with this.

That's why Julian was so cool as the villain. This guy would have turned his own nephew into a paper weight given a good enough excuse. He was evil personified.

Eggman on the other hand is a complete joke, especially his role in Sonic X. I'll never forget that line where he says, its one thing to take them prisoner and threaten them, but to actually hurt someone, that's going too far.

The writer who came up with that must have been clinically insane.

But yea, conflict is so very important. What's the point of making a series if there's no conflict? And not just any conflict, a conflict that really puts the hero in a huge bind.

How bout having Sonic try to save his home from a missile attack, while at the same time has to save Princess Sally from being roboticized at Robotropolis. Now's that conflict!

However, I do have to agree that it all comes down to the writer. If the writer is good, the story will be good, and visa versa.

If only Archie had Ben Hurst write the comic instead of those morons who don't know squat about epic stories.

[Juice16]

If the writer is good, the story will be good, and visa versa.

And this is why SATAM is soooo good! Hurst knew what he was doing.

I wonder how the Archie Comic would have turned out if Ben Hurst was head writer....

[LaserX5]

I wonder how the Archie Comic would have turned out if Ben Hurst was head writer....

We'll never know for sure, but I do believe it would have been so much better.

Ben Hurst was solid writing Sonic Satam. However, he also wrote episodes for Sonic Underground, a series that was a huge disappointment.

Even so, he's so much better as a writer than Ken Penders, Karl Bollers and Ian Flynn combined.

Karl Bollers was a Sonic comic butcher, Ian Flynn waters down the material too much to be epic. As for Ken Penders, I really don't know. His ideas weren't completely horrible, but they weren't exactly dynamic either.

They could learn alot from Hurst.

[Gojira007]

You really can't blame people for wanting more dark themes in the comic.

Blame them? I suppose not. Be annoyed by their willingness to act as if this arbitrary idea of "Dark" storytelling is the end-all be-all of whether or not a story's any good? Absolutely, I can.

After all, Sonic Satam, which this comic was based off, was very dark, as well as epic.

But, see, the mere fact that SatAM was "dark" (and, as Kef said, it really wasn't that "dark" in sum when you really look it over) only has so much to do with why it was a good series. You could have every last "dark" idea in SatAM kept intact, but if stripped of the elements of execution that made them work, like good writing, solid characterization, good plotlines, etc. etc., they would be utterly worthless.

Heck, look at Sonic the Hedgehog 2006; it's full of "dark" ideas, like Death, emotional repression, dystopian futures, etc. etc. It is also a completely and utterly dreadful story. Why? Because the execution was a convoluted, poorly acted, poorly written mess. By contrast, look at Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, which was pretty much nothing but "light" ideas. Hardly a perfect show, I grant you, but it could be highly enjoyable because it had good vocals, some clever writing, and a creative sense of humor.

That's not to say Ideas are meaningless to a story. Of course they aren't. But they only count as much as the people bringing them to life, and I think you deny yourself potentially rewarding or enjoyable stories by hinging your judgment of them on the "darkness" or "lightness" of the ideas behind it. Just my opinion, mind.

EDIT: Or, to put it more simply? I think we ought to be less concerned with whether or not we're getting "dark" or "light" stories, and more concerned about whether we're getting good stories.

[Wentos]

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[Gojira007]

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