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[chief]

And there was Dulcy.

At times I wish there wasn't.

What do you mean by "at times.." There was NEVER a good time for Dulcy.

"Just ten more minutes MAAAAAaaa" SHUT UP! Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up every time I hear it.

[The Man]

Hey, chief. Think of Marama TSG and Dulcy when Marama comes back. BTW, guess what ep of the month it is?

Oh..did someone not like something?

Anyway, I hope we seriously can get something going. I'm going to go away for the summer because I tend to enjoy them over T.V. these days.

And by the way(spelled out yeah), I saw with what you did with my post. I'm pretty sure there was no 'un' before predictable.

If you hate it that bad I might as well write a whole series. Who should we start with? How about Max H. vs. Cheezmat. Battle of the Wits.

Keep in mind my post count was 666 at the time. Mwha ha ha and have fun in the sun.

Edit-you are right chief. Don't take the Dulcy insult personally. I don't like her voice either, but we can put up with her in the series.

I've seen enough sad songs and stories. It's fiction, you can believe whatever you want about it. If I did include someone in a story in the future I'd want a story that's good. I know fighting is a little violent, but it's cooler than The Man and 'Member' go to Disneyland.

We have enough difficulty getting the show back and it's not worth being banned over. Some members deserve respect, others don't if they antagonize people. I have disagreed with Quin in the past. The root problem is if you have a hard time taking in a story and a little satire it explains the difficulty of getting SatAM back.

At least I wasn't as bad a night, sonmanic, and others. Whether I stay or leave I'm going in style. But you know I had to be the one who did it. All of this over one story.

I won't post stories anymore about people here unless they ask, but I don't promise to never write a story again.

Edit-2. Thanks for everything you've done over the years, Chief. I hope it comes back by some miracle just for you. But it's nice to have an outsider set the standards for everyone. It makes it more interesting. In any case, I should have wrote more stories long ago.

So the next time you feel smug and superior I know what to do. Keep that in mind when you make a judgment.

[chief]

First off.. Did with what post? You must know that I am not the only person who can edit shit around here.. Actually, I do very little of that, kinda busy with life and all that. Thats why I have my staff.

Secondly...Write stories on whatever fancy's you, I can't stop that. Just if the person you are writing it about doesnt wan't it, don't post it here. I need to respect those who don't want something. If you do it again you can consider yourself banned. Permently.

I gotta liston to other people man. If they don't want to be in something don't put it on my site. I can't controll what you do or where else you put shit. And personally.. I could care less. I care about my site and the members on here, thats that. One more stupidly snide comment, one more post of some story containing someone from here that doesnt wish to be in that story..banned.

And I know your story about Kaige wasn't bad..I read it. But I need to respect my members. I ask you to do the same.

[silversurfer2]

I dunno if I would turn him into a fearless swordsman.. Mostly because a drastic change would be.. Well just messed up. Maybe yea, over the course of a season or 2.. But I still wouldn't make him fearless by any means. Not as much as a pansy ass? Yeah. Not as much of a annoying twat? Yeah. A better fighter, and more valued part of the team? Yeah. A fearless swordsman? No. Sorry, its just way too big of a change of character, even if you split it over a season or two. You can make him better, stronger, not as annoying.. But not some pro swordsman jumping into the face of danger.

Haha, well I think I should have used a different word rather than fearless but I couldn't think of anything else. It was like 3 in the morning and I was too tired to think of a different word to use. However, I do agree that fearless is perhaps too strong an adjective to use. The bottom line is that I would not have him as the little coward in the show, I would have him as a fighter who develops throughout the show and matures into the soldier he was destined to be since he was introduced into the Royal Guard. He wouldn't be like Sonic, fighting off legions of Swatbots of course because that's just not who he is but he could a capable strategist in organizing plans and can fight off a Swatbot or two. I wouldn't drastically change his character into a fearless warrior though, because that's not the way Antoine was created and it just doesn't suit him. Or he could be a politician too because in his cowardly form, he'd do as good a job as half of the pansy asses in Congress as it is. Anyway, that's what I'd do with him if I was in charge of the show.

[chief]

That does make sence then. I would still keep him somewhat like a coward, but really, no worse then a normal person dropped into a war zone. Stratagy, fighting when he needs to do something with a group, no solo shit, no "I'm Ant the destroyer".

As far as other characters.. I would actually play back Sonic a little. I understand he is that do everything, kick ass etc.. But I would play him back a little and have that arrogant attitude make him fall on his face a little more often. Actually admitting at times he needs the whole group.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I'd advise against getting into the whole "destiny" nonsense. I'd also avoid pushing Ant's character too far away from the coward angle. Though, it isn't entirely incompatible with the "great strategist" idea. Ant does try to portray himself as being more brave than he really is. And he's obviously capable of at least living reasonably enough in Knothole... So, he could find his place working on strategies and helping with plans, rather than being out in the field. If he's away from the general danger, then it would make more sense for him to not be so much of a sniveling coward all the time, but he could always show that yellow streak if he has to actually go into the field with the others. It would make a bit more sense of the cowardly aspect, in that he'd be clearly shown to be out of his element. He may simply not be cut out for this "destined roll as a Royal Guard".

I also agree with the idea of not focusing too heavily on Sonic, and showing that he really does need the others more. This generally goes hand-in-hand with the idea of fleshing out the other characters more and giving them more screen-time. It also makes for more realistic loss potential if Sonic were to be knocked down a few pegs...

[Masterge77]

I have signed every single petition to revive the series I could find, I may have to make my own

I hate to admit, but there is no chance for the series currently, as Sega cares about no other Sonic Continuity but Adventure, no others, NOT EVEN GENESIS SONIC!!!!

And Sonic 4, just when it couldn't get any worse, face it, Sonic has been dead since Sonic 2006 (aka. Sonic NextGen, Sonic the Disaster), since then, each game has been worse than the last (and that includes Unleashed), seriously, every single game since Adventure (Excluding Sonic Advanced) has been a pointless sequel to Adventure, it's just like Capcom when it bred the crap out of Megaman X after the third game, X was meant to end at 5, but the idiot executives got in the way and created 6, followed by a bunch of plotholes at the start of 7, yeah, after 3, Capcom just abused X.....

On Antoine, you take his cowardice, and the series quickly dies

Even IF SatAM were to return, it would eventually reach seasonal rot like SpongeBob did at the start of Season 5 (or worse, Family Guy after it's second cancelation), no show can outrun really bad writers, really, just look at what has happened to ArchieSonic.......

My plans for the series if I were to write the revival: Begin from Scratch (and Grounder), re-make (or re-dub) every single episode with little or no changes (no CGI, that's a BIG no-no), It would be like Dragonball Z Kai, with updated colors, fixed animation errors, and Sally's vest drawn on in the first season (maybe a little further i'm debating on using either Rotors design for season 1, or season 2) hire some diehard fans to help write new episodes, and have it run at least 5-6 seasons, season 3 would have the Chaos Emeralds and Super Sonic, as well as Knux and Amy (and Nack as a recurring minor villian), Metal Sonic would be in it too, he would be an evil clone of Sonic sucsessfully roboticized and then overthrowing Snively (who would be the main villian of Season 3) and become the main villian himself with three evil (and truely awesome) robot bodyguards (one being a female), all trying to roboticize ALL life on the planet. He will also look slightly different from the Metal Sonic we know, but not TOO different (it's not like I'm gonna draw a mouth on his face or something, but he will have a cape, cause capes are awesome on villians). And wait until you see what happens when I make a two part episode where all the Freedom Fighters are roboticized by Metal Sonic, yeah, I'd do that.

Back to Antoine, I'd make him slightly more courageous, but still cowardly in the third season.

For the channel, I cannot choose between Cartoon Network or Disney XD (since back in the very early 2000s, Disney XD, when it was still known as Toon Disney, aired AoSTH, and according to some rumors in early 2009, Disney XD would air the entire SatAM series).

Finnaly, the voices, for Sonic, well Ryan Drummond of course! If he is not available, I will voice Sonic myself, or hire a truly talented fan, cause I REFUSE to use Jason Griffith with his ear raping voice, for Knux, DAN FREAKING GREEN (his current voice, cause it's so awesome), Sally would be voiced by any talented female voice actors from any anime dubbing companies (except 4Kids), and that's all I have on the voices

For now, let's not get any hopes up........

[Vlad Yvhv]

I have signed every single petition to revive the series I could find, I may have to make my own

As long as you don't spam the board about it. Another member did that a while back and it got quite annoying.

[DLTN]

If there ever was a revival....

Agree with a lot of you guys and think simply restarting, or reinventing would be better than Season 3, and keeping the original characters too as someone said.
Sonic, Sally and team utilising guerilla tactics on Robotniks armies, Even some FF's who are former military and have firearms training when engaging large groups of Swatbots.
Season long story arcs? I had an idea of Robotnik creating a Roboticizing virus that he unleashes as a last ditch effort (and potentially falling victim to it himself).
I may get some grief for this but maybe killing off a main character mid season, or if they get Roboticized a former hero becomes a villain.
Knothole becoming severley compromised, maybe leading to an eventual invasion and a retreat to a back up base, The freedom fighters must be prepared for something like that, right?

[Shadow441]

If I could... Hmmm... Its hard you know. As much as I do think SatAM could have done well with a third season, I think that time has come and gone. So much time has passed that it would be near impossible to create a third season following the original SatAM style. Voices would be different, art would be different.. Everything.

I would go for a movie though. Start off on the cliffhanger and have the movie cover the events following season 2. Why a movie and not a full season? Mostly because I think with a movie you can make up for having different art, cast, and so on. With a movie people could come into it not knowing anything about SatAM or the previous 2 seasons, watch it, then go "hey i should check out the rest of this show."

If you managed to make a movie that could go as a stand alone, and also following the events after the second season.. I think that would be far more succesful.
A random third season would just make most people go "what the hell.. third?" But a movie will get most "oh nice a movie.. oh hey its based of events following this serries here!".


Just my thoughts on the matter. I doubt either one of them will evert ake place..maybe if we keep drawing in new fans like we have been with the Sea3on comic. But for the most part SatAM has a small fanbase and none of the big companies will pay much attention to anything we do inless it gets a lot of attention from the consumers. Meaning.. We need to draw in new fans first. Which.. We are doing for the most part. We have quite a few people join who weren't even alive yet when SatAM was on the air. Ive gotten messages before saying how the Sea3on comic got them into looking for the show on youtube etc.


So if I had the chance.. Id go for a movie. Not a full season. That way we can make it a stand alone movie that also follows the show. But won't need the show to make sence.

Dude I was born in 1994 when the series ended and just last year with not even being a Sonic fan (I was a Mario fan at the time) I fell in love with the series. I believe that we could get more people into SatAm if some rich dude could persuade a large TV company to air some of the first SatAm episodes

If there ever was a revival....

Agree with a lot of you guys and think simply restarting, or reinventing would be better than Season 3, and keeping the original characters too as someone said.
Sonic, Sally and team utilising guerilla tactics on Robotniks armies, Even some FF's who are former military and have firearms training when engaging large groups of Swatbots.
Season long story arcs? I had an idea of Robotnik creating a Roboticizing virus that he unleashes as a last ditch effort (and potentially falling victim to it himself).
I may get some grief for this but maybe killing off a main character mid season, or if they get Roboticized a former hero becomes a villain.
Knothole becoming severley compromised, maybe leading to an eventual invasion and a retreat to a back up base, The freedom fighters must be prepared for something like that, right?

Antione should turn evil

[DLTN]

Well, a reimagining of the original series. To allow new versions and takes of our old favourite characters. A darker mature tone... An "Ultimate" SatAM so to speak.

[RedAuthar]

If you are referencing Ultimate as in Ultimate Marvel, no.

The ending to Ultimate sucked.

However the idea of a remake is very interesting...

[DLTN]

If you are referencing Ultimate as in Ultimate Marvel, no.

The ending to Ultimate sucked.

However the idea of a remake is very interesting...

Did'nt mean copying Marvel, but the idea of an alternate version with slight tweaks and changes to characters (Not TOO extreme though) and some classic stories updated and/or fleshed out more, there was only so much you could put into 20 or so minutes after all. I'm no writer, but im certain that someone with talent could put their unique take on classic episodes from the old series. UM was just an example.

I havent read Ultimatum yet if thats what your talking about. Is it rubbish?

And as long as a remake is treat with care and love, it will always find its audience

[Natorat]

Starting from where they left off with the end of season 2 is an interesting idea but personally I would just restart the series with the same characters. I'd want Robotnik to be the main villain of course but eventually Snivelly. Villain Antoine would be hilarious. I could see it happening too, with what a coward he is he'd definitely be a candidate for capture. Or maybe you could just threaten to ruin some eskargo.

[DLTN]

I think Tails is a good candidate for a heel turn... With training by Sonic, Sally, Bunnie and his intelect (from games i know but...) He may very well be the most dangerous person on Mobius.

[Natorat]

In the games Tails is arguably the most powerful character. He's smart, he has almost all of Sonic's moves, he can fly, and he can even airlift Sonic.

I think it'd be sweet if Tails and Knuckles were on a team for a while. Of course Tails makes a more dynamic duo with Sonic, but in SatAM, he's already got Sally and having two characters highly mobile because one can climb and glide and the other can straight up fly would be a powerful force. Not to mention Tails' mechanical knowledge. He is superior to Sally and even Rotor in many ways in that respect. Granted, he can't computer hack like Sally, but he could give Rotor a run for his money on making mechanical devices. Of course, Rotor would still be useful for robotics.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I stand by my previously state stance of "don't screw around with what already works". In other words, "if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it". Part of what makes SatAM work so well is the group dynamic. This is why killing one of them, or reworking one into something they shouldn't be would only be shooting yourself in the foot. Yes, it would make it "darker and edgier", but it would also screw over the team dynamic, and doom the project. I don't think that "darker and edgier" is worth taking that route.

Yes, there is room for improvement in some things. Those are what need to be fixed. Stuff like toning Ant, Dulcy, and Sonic down a bit, so they're not quite as annoying. And giving Tails more to actually do. I wouldn't go so far as making him capable of putting Rotor out of job, though. And making Sonic actually fail a mission or something (which would help accomplish the "toning him down" bit).

Upgrading the robotic enemies could also help with both the "make it darker and edgier" and "give a real sense of possibility of loss for the heroes" factors. Maybe Snively's smart enough to make more bots similar the Sally-Bot? If Bunnie wasn't there to save him, Sonic may not've gotten out of that episode in one piece (if at all)...

If you wanna go and kill off characters, to show that the new and improved enemy are in fact dangerous, it would work much better to go with the "flesh out the unnamed chars" route and kill one of them once we've gotten used to having them around. This way, you've got characters that're actually cared about dying, but not in such a way that would screw up the main team dynamic and automatically set the death clock countdown for the show. You could also get way with killing multiple characters that way (presumably all in a firefight or doomed mission or something). As well as potentially motivating the heroes to become a bit less heroic and more vengeful.

[Natorat]

I have to agree with you Vlad, except that I don't think there would be any risk of Tails putting Rotor out of a job. The machines they design are very different. Tails tends to focus on aircraft, Rotor's work is primarily on stuff that stays on the ground.

Killing off any of the main characters would mess things up majorly. The episodes show that essentially if any died, they would all be screwed.

[Vlad Yvhv]

I was referring to their skill levels. It would be more appropriate to have Tails be more of an apprentice to Rotor than an equal or superior, in terms of how good an inventor he is. At lest at first. This approach could actually lead up to him catching up to Rotor's level, and possibly even surpassing him on occasion with some cleaver little insights that Rotor hadn't thought about. Maybe fixing a design flaw in one of Rotor's inventions, or simply upgrading an invention. Or possibly simply making Tails be good with machines and an excellent mechanic, but not really so much on the actual engineering side. After all, he is still a little kid. It might work to perhaps have a "flash forward" episode or something where we see Tails' future self as the genius envisioned.

[DLTN]

Killing off any of the main characters would mess things up majorly. The episodes show that essentially if any died, they would all be screwed.

After reading my previous comment suggesting it, You are right, but it can work if used properly. Fleshing out nameless characters is would be a smart move, but for a major character (like Ant, Bunnie or Sally) it would have to be done toward the end of its final season to work so to not damage the team dynamic between the lead roles throughout the series. Just an idea.
Regarding this subject... would the same apply to villains?