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[The Man]

Imagine owning the show and being able to do whatever you wanted with it how would you continue it? After all this time is it still worth the effort?

If I had it today I'd still clearly ask Ben to be the main writer. There's no question many of us here would want first dips.

The biggest problem is the ownership and costs. It might be easier to start your own series and/or exclude Sonic from SatAM. But we've had the discussion that this isn't really possible.

I know Ben wanted to make a story that sizzles, but after everything that's been out I think we need a way to redefine it. There's no question Sonic is the main character and will live throughout the series, but I'd like to come at it a way never done before.

Ben also spoke of wins and losses that gives it a more realistic feel. If you compare it to real life how do things really play out? How can we play it out in a way that hasn't been done?

If I ever became extremely wealthy I'd buy the rights to Sonic simply to resolve these issues. I'd also like to write the first Seaons 3 Episode that might help redefine fiction.

I know it's all only a dream right now but we can always hope it will happen within a year, five, or even ten. Before too much time passes. You just can't wait.

[chief]

If I could... Hmmm... Its hard you know. As much as I do think SatAM could have done well with a third season, I think that time has come and gone. So much time has passed that it would be near impossible to create a third season following the original SatAM style. Voices would be different, art would be different.. Everything.

I would go for a movie though. Start off on the cliffhanger and have the movie cover the events following season 2. Why a movie and not a full season? Mostly because I think with a movie you can make up for having different art, cast, and so on. With a movie people could come into it not knowing anything about SatAM or the previous 2 seasons, watch it, then go "hey i should check out the rest of this show."

If you managed to make a movie that could go as a stand alone, and also following the events after the second season.. I think that would be far more succesful.
A random third season would just make most people go "what the hell.. third?" But a movie will get most "oh nice a movie.. oh hey its based of events following this serries here!".


Just my thoughts on the matter. I doubt either one of them will evert ake place..maybe if we keep drawing in new fans like we have been with the Sea3on comic. But for the most part SatAM has a small fanbase and none of the big companies will pay much attention to anything we do inless it gets a lot of attention from the consumers. Meaning.. We need to draw in new fans first. Which.. We are doing for the most part. We have quite a few people join who weren't even alive yet when SatAM was on the air. Ive gotten messages before saying how the Sea3on comic got them into looking for the show on youtube etc.


So if I had the chance.. Id go for a movie. Not a full season. That way we can make it a stand alone movie that also follows the show. But won't need the show to make sence.

[The Man]

All ideas have their ups and downs. A movie can have the same depth, excitement, ect.,. and get the point across while a third season or more allows for more adventures and relationships to evolve.

Since we're pressed for time it means a movie is the way to go. When it succeeds we can pick up the details later. That's if it ever happens.

I thought Sonmanic got a grant for a fan movie. I think the whole of "FUS" could do better. It needs to be a team effort.

The least I can do is write one last fic of what might have happened to the whole thing. If I'm extremely lucky the worst I'll do is redefine it.

[Masterge77]

Whatever happened to Mysterious Animator X?

[John Roberts]

He quit. Said a lot of stuff, did nothing, and quit. A few crazy fans scared him away from the whole idea, or some such buggery.

[Masterge77]

He quit. Said a lot of stuff, did nothing, and quit. A few crazy fans scared him away from the whole idea, or some such buggery.

Aw, that sucks so much......

[furrykef]

With the kind of publicity he was attracting, I'm not so sure it sucks so much.

[chief]

No, I'm kinda glad that twat fucked off.

[LaserX5]

If I could... Hmmm... Its hard you know. As much as I do think SatAM could have done well with a third season, I think that time has come and gone. So much time has passed that it would be near impossible to create a third season following the original SatAM style. Voices would be different, art would be different.. Everything.

I would go for a movie though. Start off on the cliffhanger and have the movie cover the events following season 2. Why a movie and not a full season? Mostly because I think with a movie you can make up for having different art, cast, and so on. With a movie people could come into it not knowing anything about SatAM or the previous 2 seasons, watch it, then go "hey i should check out the rest of this show."

If you managed to make a movie that could go as a stand alone, and also following the events after the second season.. I think that would be far more successful.
A random third season would just make most people go "what the hell.. third?" But a movie will get most "oh nice a movie.. oh hey its based of events following this series here!".


Just my thoughts on the matter. I doubt either one of them will evert ake place..maybe if we keep drawing in new fans like we have been with the Sea3on comic. But for the most part SatAM has a small fan base and none of the big companies will pay much attention to anything we do unless it gets a lot of attention from the consumers. Meaning.. We need to draw in new fans first. Which.. We are doing for the most part. We have quite a few people join who weren't even alive yet when SatAM was on the air. Ive gotten messages before saying how the Sea3on comic got them into looking for the show on youtube etc.


So if I had the chance.. Id go for a movie. Not a full season. That way we can make it a stand alone movie that also follows the show. But won't need the show to make sence.

Yea, I have to agree. A movie would make more sense than just restarting the Satam Cartoon on the 3rd Season.

Personally though, I would make an entirely new show. even give it a new name like Sonic Freedom Fighters and continue where they left off.

Then combine the best characters and elements from all 4 Sonic Cartoons, Games and Comic into one for an all star cast of heroes and villains fighting for control of Mobius.

I'd have Crush 40 orchestrating the intro theme, as well as the music inside the cartoon.

And of course, no solid show is complete with a solid cast of voice actors, like Ryan Drummond for Sonic and Kath Soucie for Sally.

Sadly, as much fun as it to dream how cool Sonic Satam could be with a little imagination, you know it will never happen.

If only Sega would get a clue.

[Vlad Yvhv]

The key to either reviving the series or making a movie would be to fix the parts that didn't quite work and not screw up the stuff that does work. None of this "kill off the original chars" BS. But definitely make Ant and Dulcy less annoying and give them something to actually bring to the table, other than comic relief. Perhaps take Ant's kung-fu lessons from Bunny to a higher level, so that he can at least hold his own if forced into a fight. He can still be a sniveling coward, but more able to defend himself. Or have Rotor fix him up with a real sword, instead of that wooden one. Or simply go with the "Dulcey crash lands on Ant and they spend the rest of the movie in the hospital" idea. I'd also avoid stuff like adding in a bunch of the Sega/Comics chars. I think it would work better to flesh-out the various unnamed Freedom Fighters that we see in the series. This may allow for some death and/or roboticization without screwing up the working character formula, and still making people feel something for those who're lost. An overview of the first couple of seasons would also work nicely. Perhaps something akin to the openings of Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness, with the Freedom Fighters narrating approximations of what led up to the movie. Newcomers could understand what was going on, and the fans could basically just skip that part on the DVD and pick up where the series ended.

[chief]

I agree with you Vlad. Ant and Dulcy should be less annoying. Ant for a main character just makes me cringe.. Whats sad is I really like him too. He just needs to be less annoying and not the direct butt of EVERY joke. Sure make fun of him but not constantly.

I also agree that you need to be able to let newcomers know a bit of backstory. The movie should be desgned to stand alone by its self, however still tie into the seasons if youve watched those.

[silversurfer2]

I agree with the movie idea because it would take less time, effort, and money then a 3rd season would and those three things are in short supply.
If there's one thing I would do about Ant, I would develop him as a character and mature him from cowardly to a fearless swordsman. That may not work in a movie but it would certainly work if Season 3 came to be, at least in my opinion. Sadly, the thing about a movie is that you can't flesh out all the characters in it if there's five or six main ones because it simply takes too long. So while Sonic, Bunnie and Sally would get a lot of face time, characters with potential like Snively, Dulcy and Rotor would probably be shut out and not get nearly as much, compromising the integrity of the show. It's like The Man said, each idea has its ups and downs. Hopefully, if a movie is ever made and it's successful then the show could be revived.

[chief]

I dunno if I would turn him into a fearless swordsman.. Mostly because a drastic change would be.. Well just messed up. Maybe yea, over the course of a season or 2.. But I still wouldn't make him fearless by any means. Not as much as a pansy ass? Yeah. Not as much of a annoying twat? Yeah. A better fighter, and more valued part of the team? Yeah. A fearless swordsman? No. Sorry, its just way too big of a change of character, even if you split it over a season or two. You can make him better, stronger, not as annoying.. But not some pro swordsman jumping into the face of danger.

[Inhibitor]

I agree with Chief's opinion over Ant. Personally, I think Ant is just one of those characters that has to be a wimp. I'm not against him having a weapon of any sort or fighting enemies for once, but not in a brave way! It just seems like that how it should be. Should an occasion come up whereas Swatbots surround Antoine with no help at all, It would be more like Antoine attempting to attack, but after noticing that his attack made no effect, he would then resort to running in the opposite direction. Not only would it be funnier, it would be staying true to his character. If he were to take all of the Swatbots out in a few blows, it would just seem weird. And come on, he is ANToine. Calling him bug would be a compliment! Still, the name Antoine means someone deserving of praise or a man with a noble heart. A little odd; that doesn't describe Ant at all!

[Vlad Yvhv]

Ant was apparently supposed to be brought up to be a knight or royal guard of some kind. Also, as shown when he tried to trick Robotnik: He does have some capacity for bravery and perhaps does have a bit of a noble heart. He's sort of what you'd call a "noble coward", in that he does have a sense of honor and duty. Something like having a real weapon, instead of a toy sword might give him a bit more confidence, without turning him into an action hero. It would make more sense for him to be able to do something like stab a swatbot and escape, rather than try to take on a group of them. The swatbots don't seem to be particularly well-built, so it's unlikely that they'd be completely unharmed by a sword, machete, or perhaps even a combat knife. I also wouldn't expect him to be able to do stuff like purposely reflecting their lasers with a metal sword. Though, it might make for a nifty coincidence if it happens while he's cowering behind the sword. That type of thing would be more in line with stuff like him stumbling upon the section of wall where they met Griff, or knocking over the hyenas' bikes.

[chief]

I agree, SWATbots were poorly made.. I mean they fall into pieces from the wind when Sonic ran by them. So Ant having some sort of decent sword would beable to take one out easy enough. Maybe not the larger mech walker ones.. But the bots, yeah.

Also, I find it hard to see Ant running into a huge group of SWATbots and taking them out. More what you said Vlad; on a mission he may defend himself from one or two but then retreat to a safe are.


I think Ant could be more usefull in plan making as well. We all know how Sonic is a useless frat boy ready to jump into anything and never think of whats going to happen. I think Ant could be good about that, just like Sally is. Think of the best ways to go about something. Things like this are a lot more plausable then a fearless ant, as being catious and a plan maker aren't that far off from how he is. A easy enough way if thinking how he can get better atleast.

[Cheezmatt]

SWATbots in Season 1 were a lot more formidable though. It wasn't until Season 2 that things got really stupid.

But yeah, basically what Chief said about plan making.

[John Roberts]

SWATbots in Season 1 were a lot more formidable though. It wasn't until Season 2 that things got really stupid.

Same goes for Antoine, really. Season one Ant was good, Season two Ant must die - character traits and that crappy S2 character design.

[randomizer]

There were not many S2 character designs that I liked. And there was Dulcy.

[Inhibitor]

And there was Dulcy.

At times I wish there wasn't.